Moved Thread Survey reveals West Coast's home ground umpiring advantage..
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Stupid survey.
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It's not a stupid survey at all. There have been other statistical studies completed across the world for all types of sports, with the result being that, in many sports, the main advantage of home ground/court, is favour from the umpire.
This is interestingly discussed in a sports-Mythbusters type book called Scorecasting: The Hidden Influences Behind How Sports Are Played and Games Are Won, by Tobias Moskowitz. He is a econometrician who has studied many sporting phenomena, and one of his major papers regards home ground advantage. Controlling for other advantages gained from home ground games (travel, crowd support making players play better, field/court specifications), he finds that the biggest factor in the home ground advantage is that umpires (who as humans are social creatures, believe it or not) cater to the shouting crowd in a subconscious attempt to appease them. The factor is so drastic that grounds where the crowd is very close tend to lead to greater home ground advantage (all else being equal), while stadiums like the Rome Olympic Stadium (where there is a running track and heaps of other stuff between the crowd and the field) result in lesser home ground advantage. It also partially explains why the LA Clippers have a slight advantage against the LA Lakers when it's their 'home' game, even though they have the same home court.
So not stupid at all. It reveals a major reason for home ground advantage, and shows that umpires certainly are not robots, and yes - you as a crowd member can affect the result by screaming your head off.
Could you really not just let this thread die the miserable death it deserved?
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Some years ago there was an article in New Scientist from the Premier League in England. Referees were played video of various on field incidents and asked award a penalty or not. The crowd noise was varied to match home or away crowds. There was a clear bias towards penalties for home teams across the referees. To suggest that Australian umpires are not similarly susceptible seems a touch naive.
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Let's hope it gets worse and the AFL has an inquiry.
Hope not
Totally agree. And thats why the Pies get soft free's playing the Eagles at the MCG.
So what's your suggestion, lets not invite crowds to be too passionate?
Too bad for Norths because their home crowds aren't as big or as loud.
Whats funny is several of the Vic teams crying a river about Patersons when they get a similar advantage in their home state, difference is Worsfold does whinge about it like the Scott brothers.
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No, they don't get a similar advantage, it's already been proven. What's funny is Eagles supporters with no idea about the facts, whinging about others being whingers.
What's funny is some troll bringing up a 4 month old, 32 page thread with no basis for doing so.
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What a terrible thread.
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Worsfold had a Q & A session today and said they had the AFL umpires down to pre-season training again this summer to go over how the new rules are going to be interpreted. Said they had been practicing their tackling in particular so as not to be pinged for being in a players back.
They have done this for the last few years, and obviously their dedication to training within the rules has paid off. Maybe other clubs could try doing the same thing?
Or is it easier to just whine about unfair advantages?
They have done this for the last few years, and obviously their dedication to training within the rules has paid off. Maybe other clubs could try doing the same thing?
Or is it easier to just whine about unfair advantages?
I am pretty sure other clubs do this, actually I know for a fact they do.
This is not the reason you get more frees for its the reason you might get less against as well...just saying
Whats funny is a Geelong supporter whinging about a team that gets a couple of extra frees because of high tackles when many of them are because Eagles players are simply using the exact same technique the Geelong captain does. In fact Joel Selwood was the player who made the tactic his trade mark.
Is that factual enough for you?
For every free for high he gets, he has his head ripped off twice.Whats funny is a Geelong supporter whinging about a team that gets a couple of extra frees because of high tackles when many of them are because Eagles players are simply using the exact same technique the Geelong captain does. In fact Joel Selwood was the player who made the tactic his trade mark.
Is that factual enough for you?
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And at least 50% of those are caused by him trying to use the opponent's arm to rip his own head off.
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Funny thing is they assigned 3 WA umpires for the WC vs Collingwood game tomorrow... Gonna be interesting to see how it goes
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Well you are already looking for it so any iffy decision that goes WCs way will stand out like dog balls. You will probably look at the free kick count at the end of the game and if WC receive more free kicks you will probably post it in here whether or not those free kicks were there or not. So nah, it won't really be interesting. Just the same as every other WC home game.
By the way, i am not saying that the Eagles don't have a home ground umpiring advantage, they do. Other teams do as well just not to the same extent. Crowds will always influence umpiring decisions.
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Congrats on the preconcieved mind set before the game is played.
Damm all those Eagle games played with the all Victorian umpires..... damm Vic cheats
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Congrats on the preconcieved mind set before the game is played.
Damm all those Eagle games played with the all Victorian umpires..... damm Vic cheats
I think you guys always had one WA ump down here every week. Oh well, at least Jordan Bannister has the game tomorrow as well.. Should even it up a bit
Yep, and last year at the height of the Vic coaches and media whinge the umpires started not paying even obvious free kicks for the Eagles because in the front of their minds they had the preconception that an uneven free kick count count had to be incorrect.
When 60,000 Pies supports shout Baaaaallllll at the MCG the Pies also get the 50 / 50 calls their way against us.
Alot of visiting teams kick OOB on the full at Subi. Why? Because Subi is narrower than most grounds and the Eagles are very good at the defensive press and the narrow ground makes the press even more effictive.
Just let the umpires umpire what they see.
