Tigers commit to lead on Gender issues
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Really? Please explain why. Do you think a footy team will be better coached and more successful if it has women and men rather than just men or just women? This seems to push the notion that women and men are different and think differently. I think this is something feminists have fought against for decades. They believe that women are no different to men and that gender differences are simply a result of social constructs and nothing to do with biology. Therefore one must believe that a company with 25 male staff and one female would have as diverse a range of ideas and perspectives as a staff with 25 women and one man. After all-we are all humans and individuals.
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that's all anyone with any common sense wants. anyone who disagrees is just riding a high horse trying to show how they're holier than thou
Another weak effort. Just say you have no intelligent answer or wave a white flag.
No point discussing this with you if you can't be civil.
When you say you don't trust word of mouth - on fairly common knowledge - you mean you can't be bothered looking it up and you are not interested in changing your perspective.
Your point about composition of gender is true but a football club in the AFL is simply a business with a product to sell. And that product is 100% male by gender. It doesn't necessarily follow that the business must be 100% male, and it is limiting in terms of the talent pool to think so, either consciously or unconsciously.
You had already refused to discuss it when you insulted my post by calling it a rant. Don't be a hypocrite. I posed a question which you chose to ignore.
You asked me to please explain why research has found diverse perspectives lead to better economic performance? Or why countries with quotas enforced have better standards of governance?
It is not known why, only that they are correlated.
Thank you. That is an answer.
Liked your post just for this, lol
Problem is, equal rights groups don't see it as such
They see it as "we have to work harder,"
Like racism, it is true certain groups did have more hardships as e world developed, but it is these exact groups preventing true equality for future generations, by making certain groups question if their colleagues deserve their positions
This topic actually should be on the society board
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50/50 gender split? Seriously?
If they are the best person for the job, then they are the best person for the job and should be hired because of that, not because you have some gender quota to fill
If they are the best person for the job, then they are the best person for the job and should be hired because of that, not because you have some gender quota to fill
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Just pick the best person man woman or child who gives a s**t. Things like this make me sick.
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Would be interested to see what our percentage of women employed at the club looks like once you remove the football department. I imagine it's still short of the even 50/50 split, but I'd guess the gap closes quite a bit. It's the right move from the club if the idea is to dispel any existing prejudices based on gender and unearth some qualified people who may otherwise have been overlooked, but "quotas" is an ugly word to throw around, as it implies adherence to a predetermined setup.
Whether people like it or not, the football department will always be dominated by ex-football people, it's just the cycle of things. A reasonably intelligent footballer who plays within an elite football environment is always going to have a significant head start over someone from the outside purely because of that exposure. Like it or not, Clarkson, Thompson, Matthews, Sheedy etc. aren't passing their knowledge on at grassroots level in a meaningful way. Sure, Bolton, Searle, and McCartney have found a way into the system (and Bolton's scenario had a decent stroke of luck in it too), but the odds are stacked against them from the start, and that's no one's fault.
The areas that aren't strictly football could be improved when it comes to representation of women, in particular the media where the current standards are often abysmal from the ex-player contingent. Unfortunately from that standpoint though, Kelli Underwood being awful at commentating and Caroline Wilson reporting only on politics and off-field stuff overshadows the Emma Quayle types, forcing media outlets to go with the "safe" option of ex-players.
Whether people like it or not, the football department will always be dominated by ex-football people, it's just the cycle of things. A reasonably intelligent footballer who plays within an elite football environment is always going to have a significant head start over someone from the outside purely because of that exposure. Like it or not, Clarkson, Thompson, Matthews, Sheedy etc. aren't passing their knowledge on at grassroots level in a meaningful way. Sure, Bolton, Searle, and McCartney have found a way into the system (and Bolton's scenario had a decent stroke of luck in it too), but the odds are stacked against them from the start, and that's no one's fault.
The areas that aren't strictly football could be improved when it comes to representation of women, in particular the media where the current standards are often abysmal from the ex-player contingent. Unfortunately from that standpoint though, Kelli Underwood being awful at commentating and Caroline Wilson reporting only on politics and off-field stuff overshadows the Emma Quayle types, forcing media outlets to go with the "safe" option of ex-players.
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Exactly. There's no such thing as positive discrimination.
"Doublespeak is language that deliberately disguises, distorts, or reverses the meaning of words."
What better example than a term that attempts to portray discrimination in a positive light?
Is this a football club or a night club they are talking about, one of those two benefit from gender equality....
The few approval seeing jackasses of the world ruin everything everywhere.
The few approval seeing jackasses of the world ruin everything everywhere.
That's it. As if in a capitalist system employers are going to be 'prejudiced' against anything that would maximise their profits. This is where the argument about a culture of discrimination comes in, since statistically the pay gap is a myth easily explained. Prejudice and cultural biases are more nebulous and often can't be reduced to statistics, so feminists use this to pretend their position is unassailable.
This is the most straightforward explanation of why the pay gap is a myth I've seen:
