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Tippett's Gone - READ RULES BEFORE POSTING
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Shame.....you were making some useful contributions
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That's a fair point. But every time a team trades a player in it will impact someone. That is just life at a footy club.
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Jesse White is responsible for the situation he is currently in. By his own admission, he has been very lazy whilst at the Swans, and did not make full use of the opportunity afforded to him. While he's taken a bit of a battering in the media over the past month, it's hard to feel sorry for somebody under those circumstances.
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Old habits die hard
Your knockin' out of the park tonight
PJ, After the day Ive had I'm not in the in the mood to suffer fools...
Yep but it's the way you tried to trade out White to your greedy advantage that won't go down that well I reckon.
Headache absolutely agree he's not made the most of his opportunities at the Swans. But I still don't think that's a good enough reason for him to be badly treated by the trade system and publicly rejected and humiliated like he has.
Nite all.
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Jesse would have known that being on 300k was always going to make it hard for the swans to trade him. He hasn't been producing anything like that value.
The good news for him is that I don't think he reads BF. he is too busy tweeting all the time.
He doesn't need to read Big Footy to know he isn't rated, your club has spelt that out to him.
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I can't agree with that. None of us know how the trade went down we are all guessing. I would have imagined that once the Tippett trade was stopped the club would have talked to him and said we can't afford to trade you now, we now need you. But then again I am now guessing.
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And they say we're the soulless corporation...omfg.
An employer has a duty of care to employees.
Can you convince yourself that the Swans have shown it to White?? I would think not.
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Apparently Triggy knew a) Tippett was leaving and b) he was going to the Swans the week of the Gold Coast game (round 23). This info coming from someone I know who knows his wife.
Interestingly enough, if this was when the much anticipated 'decision' was made (after all the alleged agonizing over his future), it seemed to coincide with a form slump. Guilty conscience much...?
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I like you are not there to see what is happening on a day to day basis in the club. So no one but those involved can answer that.
So I think the crows look after there players. Yes. Do I think they do it any better than the swans. No.
This is BF remember. It's not the real world.
In all honesty Jesse white has a better chance at the swans...mike pyke played a great gf but if white can't get infont of him he's doing something wrong....especially if tippet doesn't end up there
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That is about right. Although pyke has improved each year and I don't see any reason why it won't continue this year. Which is bad news for Jesse.
And you last line about Tippett I think is likely to become reality. My tip is the afl will block any move to the swans.
Why would they bloke a move
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TRANSCRIPT
SCENE SEVEN: FLASHBACK
AFC BOARD MEETING, AUGUST 2011
Rob Chapman: Before we close Gentlemen, any other business?
Nigel Smart: Mr Chairman, I've just read an article by Caroline Wilson in The Age and would be interested in comment from the CEO. Wilson says, and I quote: The Adelaide Football Club had an 'intriguing contract clause' allowing Kurt Tippett to move to the 'club of his choice' at the end of the current contract. Steven, can you tell us what this is about?
Steven Trigg: Well, as you all know that contract was done by John Reid. I recall him at the time saying the Tippett's were demanding more and more and more...... and the last thing they demanded was to trade Kurt home if he was still homesick at the end of the new contract. So we... er, Reidy agreed to trade him back home if we had to.
Chapman: Oh well, no real problem I suppose, I'm sure clubs do that all the time.
Smart: But the article says we agreed to trade him for, and I quote 'a second and possible third round draft pick'.
Trigg: Well I wish Reidy was here now to explain it, he was under a lot of pressure.
Chapman: So we agreed… three years in advance ….to trade our highest paid player for just a second and possibly third round draft pick!?
Trigg: I agree, not one of Reidy's finest deals.
Chapman: Steven, you should have learned from your MBA that asset values are fluid. Tippett was already a high-value asset, but what if he'd kicked a 100 goals every year, his value would've skyrocketed.
Trigg: Have you seen him kick for goal?
Chapman:OK, fair point, but the fact is we may have to trade a player for under his real value. It's not the end of the world I suppose, at least we haven't broken any AFL rules…..otherwise the AFL wouldn't have approved the contract?
Trigg: Oh…..er.......you probably should know…… Reidy said not to put the future trade bit in the official contract.
Smart: You're kidding? We concealed part of the contract from the AFL?
Trigg: I know, Reidy eh, what a loose cannon.
Chapman:Steven, you're the CEO, why didn't you put it in the official AFL contract, or if you weren't sure at least ask the AFL if it was allowed?
Trigg: Yes, I don't know what he was thinking, Reidy just thought he had to re-sign Tippett, the pressure from the supporters was enormous.
(Silence around the table, everybody looking glum)
Smart: Well we might be able to finesse our way out of it, at least you didn't put the side deal in writing.
(Uneasy silence, Trigg shifts uncomfortably in seat, everyone turns to look at him)
Chapman:Steven, tell me you didn't put it in writing.
Trigg: Well there was one little email.
Chapman:What?
Trigg: Blucher sent an email with details of the agreement and asked the CEO to confirm by return email.
Smart: So we did agree to this side-deal in writing?
Trigg: Well, yes, I did send a reply email, but don't worry, the deal doesn't stand anymore, I rescinded it.
Smart: But you'd confirmed it in writing.
Trigg: Yes, yes, but I thought about it afterwards and realised it was a risky email so I recalled it…..used 'message recall'.... so the email wouldn't be sitting on Blucher's computer.
Smart: Fair enough, I've done that. The other person never sees it ... it disappears from their inbox. Works really well if you do it straight away.
(Awkward pause, everyone looks at Trigg)
Trigg: Well there was a small lapse of time. I'm not 100% sure he doesn't have a copy.
Smart: So how long before you recalled it?
Trigg: Three weeks.
Smart: Three weeks! Three weeks! He would've saved a copy, probably printed it off too and put it on file, probably in his safe with all the cash.
Trigg: I can assure the Board there's no need to worry, I also phoned him and told him the deal was off.
Smart: So you told him you had your fingers crossed?
Trigg: Look, I know Reidy stuffed it up.... but I'll fix it. When Kurt's contract's up we just have to make him an offer he can't refuse......he won't want to go anywhere. I've had a lot of heart-to-hearts with him and he likes me, he likes Harps and he loves the boys. He said they'll be friends for life...... I'll bet he re-signs with us.
Chapman:You really have bet on that, haven't you? Especially since the side deal might have broken AFL rules.
Smart: And is it fair to the other players to pay Tippett so much above his worth, just so this doesn't come back to bite us?
Trigg: He's worth it, other clubs would pay him the same if they could get him.
Chapman:I don't know Steven, an unsanctioned side-deal like this is not the way this club operates. There's an email trail and as Nigel said, the media's sniffing out a story.
Trigg: Gentlemen, let me assure you it will not be a problem. We just stonewall the AFL ......he'll re-sign with us.....the side-deal dies a natural death.
Smart: Let's hope so.
Chapman:Well just let me sum up. We agreed to trade a player in three years time for what will almost certainly be below his market value. We are now in a position where we have to make his next contract above market value or this side deal might be exposed. We concealed this side-deal from the AFL because we thought it might not be approved by the AFL......and we confirmed the side deal in writing so there's proof of it. In the process gentlemen, we have assumed a brand reputational risk, a player harmony risk, and the minor matter of possibly losing our highest paid player for little return. Perhaps Steven, you can explain how you plan to manage these risks?
Trigg: Well ....as I've said I'm sure he'll re-sign with us and the deal won't be used against us. But in the unlikely event he doesn't and wants to go home we'll trade him for the best draft picks Gold Coast will give us......they'll throw in a couple of their homesick South Aussie lads and we'll just look compassionate.... and a bit hard-done by. The AFL and the other clubs will never know.
(A sceptical silence around the table, all eyes turn to Trigg)
Trigg: What could possibly go wrong?
AFC Board Meeting
August 2011
Excerpt from the Official Minutes
Item 7: Other business
A short discussion was held on the 2009 contract for player Tippett.
The CEO appraised the Board of the details. No ongoing issues.
Footnote 1: On 10 August 2011 Caroline Wilson wrote an article in the Melbourne Age stating the Adelaide Football Club had an 'intriguing contract clause' allowing Kurt Tippett to move to the 'club of his choice' at the end of the current contract. She wrote: 'Adelaide is understood to have agreed to a deal where it would receive a second - and possible third-round draft pick for Tippett.'
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/suns--the-gun-crows-may-lose-tippett-20110809-1ikxx.html
We don't yet know if the Chairman or the Board had a conversation with the CEO following publication of this article. If they didn't, they should have. It may even have resembled something like the above.
Footnote 2: For those who missed them, scenes 1-6 are on pages 714 and 731. Thanks to all who read them and gave me a thumbs up.
Footnote 3: This is my last transcript for a while, going on holiday to recover from this thread!
SCENE SEVEN: FLASHBACK
AFC BOARD MEETING, AUGUST 2011
Rob Chapman: Before we close Gentlemen, any other business?
Nigel Smart: Mr Chairman, I've just read an article by Caroline Wilson in The Age and would be interested in comment from the CEO. Wilson says, and I quote: The Adelaide Football Club had an 'intriguing contract clause' allowing Kurt Tippett to move to the 'club of his choice' at the end of the current contract. Steven, can you tell us what this is about?
Steven Trigg: Well, as you all know that contract was done by John Reid. I recall him at the time saying the Tippett's were demanding more and more and more...... and the last thing they demanded was to trade Kurt home if he was still homesick at the end of the new contract. So we... er, Reidy agreed to trade him back home if we had to.
Chapman: Oh well, no real problem I suppose, I'm sure clubs do that all the time.
Smart: But the article says we agreed to trade him for, and I quote 'a second and possible third round draft pick'.
Trigg: Well I wish Reidy was here now to explain it, he was under a lot of pressure.
Chapman: So we agreed… three years in advance ….to trade our highest paid player for just a second and possibly third round draft pick!?
Trigg: I agree, not one of Reidy's finest deals.
Chapman: Steven, you should have learned from your MBA that asset values are fluid. Tippett was already a high-value asset, but what if he'd kicked a 100 goals every year, his value would've skyrocketed.
Trigg: Have you seen him kick for goal?
Chapman:OK, fair point, but the fact is we may have to trade a player for under his real value. It's not the end of the world I suppose, at least we haven't broken any AFL rules…..otherwise the AFL wouldn't have approved the contract?
Trigg: Oh…..er.......you probably should know…… Reidy said not to put the future trade bit in the official contract.
Smart: You're kidding? We concealed part of the contract from the AFL?
Trigg: I know, Reidy eh, what a loose cannon.
Chapman:Steven, you're the CEO, why didn't you put it in the official AFL contract, or if you weren't sure at least ask the AFL if it was allowed?
Trigg: Yes, I don't know what he was thinking, Reidy just thought he had to re-sign Tippett, the pressure from the supporters was enormous.
(Silence around the table, everybody looking glum)
Smart: Well we might be able to finesse our way out of it, at least you didn't put the side deal in writing.
(Uneasy silence, Trigg shifts uncomfortably in seat, everyone turns to look at him)
Chapman:Steven, tell me you didn't put it in writing.
Trigg: Well there was one little email.
Chapman:What?
Trigg: Blucher sent an email with details of the agreement and asked the CEO to confirm by return email.
Smart: So we did agree to this side-deal in writing?
Trigg: Well, yes, I did send a reply email, but don't worry, the deal doesn't stand anymore, I rescinded it.
Smart: But you'd confirmed it in writing.
Trigg: Yes, yes, but I thought about it afterwards and realised it was a risky email so I recalled it…..used 'message recall'.... so the email wouldn't be sitting on Blucher's computer.
Smart: Fair enough, I've done that. The other person never sees it ... it disappears from their inbox. Works really well if you do it straight away.
(Awkward pause, everyone looks at Trigg)
Trigg: Well there was a small lapse of time. I'm not 100% sure he doesn't have a copy.
Smart: So how long before you recalled it?
Trigg: Three weeks.
Smart: Three weeks! Three weeks! He would've saved a copy, probably printed it off too and put it on file, probably in his safe with all the cash.
Trigg: I can assure the Board there's no need to worry, I also phoned him and told him the deal was off.
Smart: So you told him you had your fingers crossed?
Trigg: Look, I know Reidy stuffed it up.... but I'll fix it. When Kurt's contract's up we just have to make him an offer he can't refuse......he won't want to go anywhere. I've had a lot of heart-to-hearts with him and he likes me, he likes Harps and he loves the boys. He said they'll be friends for life...... I'll bet he re-signs with us.
Chapman:You really have bet on that, haven't you? Especially since the side deal might have broken AFL rules.
Smart: And is it fair to the other players to pay Tippett so much above his worth, just so this doesn't come back to bite us?
Trigg: He's worth it, other clubs would pay him the same if they could get him.
Chapman:I don't know Steven, an unsanctioned side-deal like this is not the way this club operates. There's an email trail and as Nigel said, the media's sniffing out a story.
Trigg: Gentlemen, let me assure you it will not be a problem. We just stonewall the AFL ......he'll re-sign with us.....the side-deal dies a natural death.
Smart: Let's hope so.
Chapman:Well just let me sum up. We agreed to trade a player in three years time for what will almost certainly be below his market value. We are now in a position where we have to make his next contract above market value or this side deal might be exposed. We concealed this side-deal from the AFL because we thought it might not be approved by the AFL......and we confirmed the side deal in writing so there's proof of it. In the process gentlemen, we have assumed a brand reputational risk, a player harmony risk, and the minor matter of possibly losing our highest paid player for little return. Perhaps Steven, you can explain how you plan to manage these risks?
Trigg: Well ....as I've said I'm sure he'll re-sign with us and the deal won't be used against us. But in the unlikely event he doesn't and wants to go home we'll trade him for the best draft picks Gold Coast will give us......they'll throw in a couple of their homesick South Aussie lads and we'll just look compassionate.... and a bit hard-done by. The AFL and the other clubs will never know.
(A sceptical silence around the table, all eyes turn to Trigg)
Trigg: What could possibly go wrong?
AFC Board Meeting
August 2011
Excerpt from the Official Minutes
Item 7: Other business
A short discussion was held on the 2009 contract for player Tippett.
The CEO appraised the Board of the details. No ongoing issues.
Footnote 1: On 10 August 2011 Caroline Wilson wrote an article in the Melbourne Age stating the Adelaide Football Club had an 'intriguing contract clause' allowing Kurt Tippett to move to the 'club of his choice' at the end of the current contract. She wrote: 'Adelaide is understood to have agreed to a deal where it would receive a second - and possible third-round draft pick for Tippett.'
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/suns--the-gun-crows-may-lose-tippett-20110809-1ikxx.html
We don't yet know if the Chairman or the Board had a conversation with the CEO following publication of this article. If they didn't, they should have. It may even have resembled something like the above.
Footnote 2: For those who missed them, scenes 1-6 are on pages 714 and 731. Thanks to all who read them and gave me a thumbs up.
Footnote 3: This is my last transcript for a while, going on holiday to recover from this thread!
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Especially if they and their management in doing so have used a document which amounts to draft tampering.
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I thought that since he was in breach of his contract that the Saints have the right to cancel and therefore not pay. Cornes hinted that there was an odour of rodent here, suggesting his salary was heavily back ended.
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