Weitering on Toby Greene, is he in trouble?

[Fonzeno1]

I’m more than happy for it to be a week but I can see the argument for a fine - it wasn’t prolonged contact.

So what? A punch in the face isn't prolonged contact.

 

[Bald]

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Just a fine...

Pretty much. I get it’s popular to whinge about Carlton but they’re simply not going to suspend Weitering. Nor should they.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Serious question...

If he intentionally made contact to the face, as you described, and as a result he inadvertently makes contact with his eye - doesn't that constitute 'intentional'?

Let me rephrase that...

Is it the act that is deemed intentional, or the result?

Like if you bump someone, and inadvertently give them whiplash - because the bump was intentional - you get done right? You don't get off because you didn't intentionally give them whiplash?

Have you been paying attention to other MRO/Tribunal results during the year? Your answer lies there.

Lots of acts that have clearly been intentional, but they are rarely graded as such.
Some, where they were graded intentional, were successfully appealed down to careless, by saying that they intended to push the chest (for example), but didn't intend to get the player high.

 

[Chief]

Like if you bump someone, and inadvertently give them whiplash - because the bump was intentional - you get done right? You don't get off because you didn't intentionally give them whiplash?

I believe that it is taken into account - if the bump was intentional, then you are liable for the result unless you took all reasonable care, were doing it in defense of yourself or another (to use criminal code terms which the tribunal probably doesn't) and so on.

 

[Chief]

So what? A punch in the face isn't prolonged contact.

You're saying Greene needs a punch in the face?!!!!!!?!!?!?!

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Stop deflecting. Green isn’t the one on report

No one’s on report yet Toby could be for a dangerous tackle soon enough though

Not a lot being said about the roundhouse punch to the guts of McGovern in the last that floored him for a couple of minutes post disposing of the ball….


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[Lavender Bushranger]

Have you been paying attention to other MRO/Tribunal results during the year?

No, not really.

 

[Neese]

Greene exaggerated the contact. Even went so far as to manufacture blood from his other eve. Cmon Toby. You’re better than that.

He's really not

 

[Elixuh]

I have a philosophical question. Similar to if a tree falls over and nobody is around does it make a sound.

If Mason cox

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211cm

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110kg

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4.0

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1.6

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1.2

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6.0

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3.0

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2.3

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is eye gouged while wearing his speed dealers is it even an eye gouge?

 

[Fonzeno1]

You're saying Greene needs a punch in the face?!!!!!!?!!?!?!

What I was saying was you can't judge the incident based on the time it happened for. They need to judge the action. Most reportable incidents are not prolonged.

 

[JyeDye]

I have a philosophical question. Similar to if a tree falls over and nobody is around does it make a sound.

If Mason cox is eye gouged while wearing his speed dealers is it even an eye gouge?

I believe it's considered a hate crime.

 

[Chief]

What I was saying was you can't judge the incident based on the time it happened for. They need to judge the action. Most reportable incidents are not prolonged.

Seriously I do understand what you mean. Given it wasn't a premeditated malicious act and Weitering was attempting a common action in aid of his team mate who Greene had in a headlock, I can't see how he gets more than a caution to be more careful next time.

 

[Elixuh]

I believe that it is taken into account - if the bump was intentional, then you are liable for the result unless you took all reasonable care, were doing it in defense of yourself or another (to use criminal code terms which the tribunal probably doesn't) and so on.

Seriously I do understand what you mean. Given it wasn't a premeditated malicious act and Weitering was attempting a common action in aid of his team mate who Greene had in a headlock, I can't see how he gets more than a caution to be more careful next time.

I think you’re getting too caught up on the headlock thing. It’s completely irrelevant.

Green was the aggressor re the bad McGovern brother. Wietering was the aggressor towards green.

The only situation eye contact like wietering made is ok is if you’re defending yourself against another player and the action is a flailing inadvertent one.

 

[ralphmalph]

What damage/ injury has Greene sustained?

 

[Chism]

What damage/ injury has Greene sustained?

Permanent blindness i think going by this thread!

 

[Ambrosia]

Weitering getting weeks would be silly almost as silly as Carlton fans claiming Greene has McGovern in a choke hold.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

No, not really.

You picked an odd time and an odd incident to start paying attention.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

You picked an odd time and an odd incident to start paying attention.

Appreciate the feedback. I'll take it on board.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

No one’s on report yet Toby could be for a dangerous tackle soon enough though

Not a lot being said about the roundhouse punch to the guts of McGovern in the last that floored him for a couple of minutes post disposing of the ball….


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There was nothing in the dangerous tackle. It was a free kick and that's it.
There's also nothing in the punch to gonads.
He tried to punch the ball as Gov ran through and his fist bounced off Gov's elbow.

The headlock was the worst thing he did and that will get zero attention.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Appreciate the feedback. I'll take it on board.

Glad I could help.

 

[Orange crush]

There was nothing in the dangerous tackle. It was a free kick and that's it.
There's also nothing in the punch to gonads.
He tried to punch the ball as Gov ran through and his fist bounced off Gov's elbow.

The headlock was the worst thing he did and that will get zero attention.

Yeah …. A lot of little incidents being blown out of proportion …. But any advantage in the EF

 

[Banyo Bloods]

Anybody know what actually caused the cut on the other eye? Didn’t
Seem to come out of anything going on in the footage.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Eyegouging and Carlton. Name a more iconic duo

 

[Thrawn]

Eyegouging and Carlton. Name a more iconic duo

Collingwood and choking in grand finals?

 

[naysayer]

Not intentional??

He obviously was intentionally making contact. He literally came from behind and grabbed his face! You don't get much more intentional than that.

He accidentally makes contact with Greene's face for half a second, then takes his hand away. Nothing to see here.