Beams does a Presti

[dook]

I hope Maggie fans don't mind an outside opinion, but from an unbiased point of view, I tend to agree with this post. Just too many coincidences for my liking considering there was no talk of Beams moving poorly during the prelim or early in the week when there were calls to drop him. That with the fact Jolly will now play even though he's walking like a new born giraffe

*sigh* Jolly is walking and running just fine. There was video at training you know.

As for Beams he has good form against Geelong. And now he is not even listed as an emergency. Sinclair is though. So, get real. There's no doubt he's injured or he would at least be an emergency ahead of Sinclair (no disrespect to Sinclair either BTW).

Finally, there is NOTHING to be gained by such an elaborate lie and there's no way the player would go along with it, nor could you keep the truth behind such a lie a secret for very long.

And with that said, I'm off for coffee with Elvis and Bruce Lee...

 

[PremiumPies]

Massive respect to Beams for doing that; putting what's best for the team as a whole ahead of a chance to get a premiership medal for himself.

 

[Tippy78]

Some people are ridiculous.

Said he was injured to make him feel better? I'm pretty sure he knows if he's injured on not. He's gonna feel like crap to be dropped for a Grand Final, it's not like he's gonna feel any better or less ashamed if the club fabricate a lie to make it look like they didn't drop the kid. That would be weak as piss from the club and if I was in Beams's situation, I would feel even more humiliated because of it. It simply wouldn't happen.

Putting it another way. The club were happy to come out and say they dropped Leon Davis last year weren't they? Are they going to be less protective of the public image of a long term servant who has bled more for the club and is part of the fabric of the place over a talented youngster who's been in the system a couple of years? The coaches would have more of a relationship with Leon and if they were the types to create lies such as this would have been far more likely to have created them to protect Leon than Dayne.

If you take it from the angle that they "lied" to make sure he doesn't leave the club then it still makes no sense. He either knows he is trusted and part of the future best 22 of the club or he doesn't. Whether the wider public agree or not is irrelevant.

So Beams has a poor GF record so let's drop him hey? Let's not play Leon Davis either then. Rubbish argument.

To those questioning the club, there are absolutely no grounds at all to show that it would have been beneficial to the club to lie about Beams this week. It just makes no sense. They wouldn't be protecting anyone, least of all him.

Finally, why would he have been dropped anyway? He is a gun. You don't drop a gun after 1 poor performance. He has been in our best 5 players over the last 2 months, is in our best 10 to 15 players most other times, has an excellent record against Geelong, is a goalscoring midfielder and our goals from midfield have dried up in recent weeks and he is strong over the ball and good in the wet - it is meant to rain on Saturday and the ground will be heavy whether it rains or not.

If we were going to drop a quality player after 1 poor game then the following would have been dropped at some stage recently;
-Didak
-Brown
-Wellingham
-Fasolo
-Toovey
-Dawes
-Jolly
-Sidebottom
-Johnson
-O'Bien
-Krakouer

He's injured

Kudos

This post sums up everything for me. No way the club would fabricate such an intricate lie, when they showed just last year that they are willing to drop someone for a GF.

So well done Beams. Like another poster said, its a pity he didn't put his hand up last week so he could give it a weeks rest before pulling on the boots this week. Would have saved him adding a poor finals game to his record.

Fas must be pumped!

 

[jonbe54]

This post sums up everything for me. No way the club would fabricate such an intricate lie, when they showed just last year that they are willing to drop someone for a GF.

So well done Beams. Like another poster said, its a pity he didn't put his hand up last week so he could give it a weeks rest before pulling on the boots this week. Would have saved him adding a poor finals game to his record.

Fas must be pumped!

Pumped? Just a bit Mick said the kid has been following him around like a lost pup all week and when he told him he was in the side it was like being at Luna Park - I presume Mick meant that huge smiley face at the entrance

 

[Cory]

Hats off to Beamsy for doing the team thing

 

[rose jam]

Pumped? Just a bit Mick said the kid has been following him around like a lost pup all week and when he told him he was in the side it was like being at Luna Park - I presume Mick meant that huge smiley face at the entrance

like picking up a chick on a school excursion at luna park you mean

 

[jonbe54]

like picking up a chick on a school excursion at luna park you mean

Could be RJ don't care either way so long as the kid is pumped and follows through tomorrow.

Can't sing Beamsy's praises high enough though, hoping this is the start of a cultural movement at the Pies. We have always played for the group but stepping aside so as not to bring the group down is an extension I'd love to see become the norm - although I'd prefer it wasn't necessary

 

[TheLip]

I have to admit the first thing that came to mind when I heard it was that the club is trying to save face for the kid but I am not so sure. I'm keeping an open mind on it but it does bear recognising that if you watched the game against Hawthorn he definitely did look hampered so unless proven otherwise, I'm happy to accept the club's explanation.

"ruled out of Saturday's Grand Final against Geelong, owing to groin soreness"

So... let me get this straight... Beams injury is "groin soreness" that makes him miss a grand final... however Reid and Jolly will PLAY with more severe groin injuries? LOLokay.

Yeah, because you know exactly the nature and extent of their injuries! Right!

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Beams has a mysterious groin injury that he got no work on during the game last week or at training... yet he misses and jolly / reid who had much bigger issues play? Add in the fact beams has a history of grand final choking... Come on guys wake up, he got dropped but they just said "groin strain" so it didnt look bad. Seriouslly guys its not the best to hear but lets be realistic???

You are probably correct.

 

[TheLip]

You are possibly correct but possibly not.

Edited for evidentially based logical conclusion!

 

[MarkT2]

I suspect the injury pull out is a face saver. If so, well done to the club. If not, well done Dane Beams. Either way it is the right result and handled well.

 

[strategy]

Last night on 6pr Radio WA about 6.30 pm WA time or 8.30 pm Victoria time , Scott Watters Pies assist Pies coach said Beams had injured himself their previous match and in the last match the injury was not good .Beams was dropped due to his injured groin ..( no link unfortunately , sorry )

then about the same time last night in Victoria

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Mick Malthouse states Beams ruled himself out

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...from-grand-final/story-e6frf3e3-1226152324190
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then

Today in the HSun this appears with comments from Beams mate/s which is open as to whether he was dropped for lack of form or injured

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/live-grand-final-teams/story-e6frf9jf-1226152255299

 

[lgarth80]

Simply put Mick would not lie on this thing.

He missed 1982 GF with injury (and even so, many thought his influence might have made the difference, and the brutality of the fitness test was actually the reason Richmond lost that flag). He'd be one of the very few who could empathise with Beams.

It's why he rates Presti highly - because in the end the difference was Mick was broken by his coach at training; Presti gave the info of his own accord.

As Beams has done the same, he has risen in Mick's standing. I'm sure given last week there would have been a fairly tough session for Beams to get through anyway (if not physicallly then emotionally), but as Mick said last night, much better that players, particularly mid-high half roles, know what they need to do a few days in advance.

Certainly not tapping Fas on the day of the game.

Pies are perfectly legitimate in the way they have handled the entire situation. Some posters and journalists need to take a good hard look at themselves.

As for Beams, I was unsure about him before this, but now I think he will end up Magpie captain in the future.

 

[strategy]

Beams last 5 normal games
32 disposals 3 goals
25 dis 2 gls
30 dis 1 gl
31 dis 2 gls
29 dis 1 gl

Fasolo last 5 games

17 dis 1 gl
10 dis 1 gl
19 dis 2 gls
18 dis 1 gl
12 dis 1 gl

Finals 1st game

Beams 21 dis 0 gls
Fasolo 3 dis 1 gl ( SUB )

Finals game 2

Beams 2 dis 0 gls
Fasolo didnt play

On reflection you would feel MM and C/Wood would want Beams before Fasolo .I believe Beams must be injured as his form is better than Fasolo's .
If he isnt injured Collingwood just took a massive gamble.

 

[TheLip]

Beams last 5 normal games
32 disposals 3 goals
25 dis 2 gls
30 dis 1 gl
31 dis 2 gls
29 dis 1 gl

Fasolo last 5 games

17 dis 1 gl
10 dis 1 gl
19 dis 2 gls
18 dis 1 gl
12 dis 1 gl

Finals 1st game

Beams 21 dis 0 gls
Fasolo 3 dis 1 gl

Finals game 2

Beams 2 dis 0 gls
Fasolo didnt play

On reflection you would feel MM and C/Wood would want Beams before Fasolo .I believe Beams must be injured as his form is better than Fasolo's .
If he isnt injured Collingwood just took a massive gamble.

Hang on a minute. In that final where Fasolo played he had 3 disposals and a goal all in the grand sum of about 4 minutes game time. Not really a valid comparison but I do think Beams is injured.

 

[Beary17]

Simply put Mick would not lie on this thing.

He missed 1982 GF with injury (and even so, many thought his influence might have made the difference, and the brutality of the fitness test was actually the reason Richmond lost that flag). He'd be one of the very few who could empathise with Beams.

It's why he rates Presti highly - because in the end the difference was Mick was broken by his coach at training; Presti gave the info of his own accord.

As Beams has done the same, he has risen in Mick's standing. I'm sure given last week there would have been a fairly tough session for Beams to get through anyway (if not physicallly then emotionally), but as Mick said last night, much better that players, particularly mid-high half roles, know what they need to do a few days in advance.

Certainly not tapping Fas on the day of the game.

Pies are perfectly legitimate in the way they have handled the entire situation. Some posters and journalists need to take a good hard look at themselves.

As for Beams, I was unsure about him before this, but now I think he will end up Magpie captain in the future.

Magpie captain because he owned up to an injury? Take it easy mate!

 

[Shellz]

Guys it's already Collingwood against the world this week lets not start inhouse fighting as well!

 

[lgarth80]

Let's wait and see Beary17, plenty of years before that becomes an option.

 

[smiddaz123]

Some people are seriously moronic. It makes me sad.

 

[Beary17]

Let's wait and see Beary17, plenty of years before that becomes an option.

Not saying it won't happen! Feel sorry for the kid he's had an injury interrupted year, he would of thought he'd come right at the right time of year.

 

[noideaatall]

Some people are seriously moronic. It makes me sad.

takes all sorts.

i love the pies but see no conflict with questioning or doubting. been plenty of lies and d.heads come out of the club.

if what players and the club have said is correct, then its an awesome story. bit to black and white for mine, I scent some grey in there. no doubt some sort of injury but did he jump or ...

my memory fades with age and other things but I seem to recall Leon was not simply dropped last year - injury concerns were raised - tho all knew the truth. Similarly i can't remember one player dropped for form or rest this year - always some injury mentioned. spin has always been the 23rd player

poor beams, big loss for the pies.

 

[mdc]

my memory fades with age and other things but I seem to recall Leon was not simply dropped last year - injury concerns were raised - tho all knew the truth.

The truth being that Leon was clearly injured? He struggled to get out of a jog at the end of last season, this season he's breaking lines again.

Again, I urge people to actually re-watch the prelim and focus on Beams. Watch the way he moves. Either you have to conclude he had an injury that killed his agility, or that he simply wasn't trying in a prelim final.

 

[Stripes B and W]

MDC you are spot on. He clearly was compromised when moving , particularly when trying to bend when the ball was on the deck.
Also, on one occassion, when he went to the interchange bench he was accompanied by Buttifant for a 30 meter walk up the boundary line. During this, he was clearly explaining to Butters he was struggling.
The Kid is hampered with an injury, end of discussion..

 

[Brad Goodman]

Herald Sun (via Superfooty) still persisting with the 'dropped' line. The person who wrote it won't put their name to it either.

 

[jonbe54]

Herald sun = sewer fodder