Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 3

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Urgh. Been about even for the week. Lost a medium pot tonight. The hand before I raised to 21 pre flop on 2/3 in the BB, got like 5 calls. Had to show in a showdown (he had AJ - very small pot). Next hand I get A:heart:K:diamond: so raise to 21. 2 calls.

Flop is T:spade:7:club:2:heart: , I bet 45, get a call. Turns a 3:diamond:, I go all in for 120. Guy thinks for ages and makes the call. River is Q:diamond:.

I regretedly show my AK..... he turns over AQ..... sigh. Decided I was tired and went home after that. :(
 
That would be something that would happen to me. So he squarely put you on KQ/KJ/98? Muppets will rule the world one day.
 
He simply said 'I didn't think you had anything'. The amount of hands pre flop though that I could raise with and beat AQ is ridiculous. Oh well. Should be happy that people are making those kind of calls and would have been if no Queen on the river haha
 

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Quite annoyed last night I had to quit one of the juiciest 2/3 games I've seen in a while due to dinner plans. Didn't help that I left down either. People calling PSB's with gutshots, raising 26o pre to $25, old guy in-advertantly double-floating with 9high against a guy barrelling with complete air.

An example (the last hand before I left):

I'm in HJ with AKo sitting $190. A few fish limp in, I overlimp. CO limps and aggressive bald guy predictably makes it $25. 2 fish call like I know they will and I ship it in.

ABG tank folds, fish who was playing $80ish and already committed $25 folds, and last guy calls.

I insta-roll my hand before the flop, and fail to hit the board as is completely standard for me. The guy has 89o.
 
I played $1/$2 today, lost two buy-ins.

Was all in for $150 with QJ V Q7 on a QQx board, and the river was a 7.

Topped up, and two hands later I played QT, flop was QQK and I doubled up against AK.

From there it was poor, hands of note that I lost were:

AQ, doubling up an old bloke with AJ on an AJx flop.
68dd, doubling up a young guy (Swedish?) who had Q9 on a Q96dd flop.
QQ, doubling up a older guy who had AA, preflop.

Yeah. I'll be back!
 
Anyone for Ultimate Texas Holdem? High Jackpot at Crown is up to $750,000 :thumbsu:

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red+black said:
Anyone for Ultimate Texas Holdem? High Jackpot at Crown is up to $750,000 :thumbsu:
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This and 3 card are my favorite games to play if I'm not feeling up for Holdem. $750,000 isn't uncommon, it would probably hit this level about once a month.
 
Not sure it hits these heights monthly. My last two texts from Crown were
- November 17 - high jackpot is $600k
- December 8 - high jackpot is $750k

So 150k in 21 days. Looks like it increases by about $225k per month.

Anyway, I didn't attempt it. Went and played $1/$2. Within 45 minutes I'm up to almost $700. Doubled up with JJ all-in on 822 flop. Called 15 from SB, donk bet out to induce a raise, I shove, he has to call like 15 more. I'm good. Get it all in pre with KK v QQ. Flop a set from the blinds and checked dark, we get it all in on the turn. There really wasn't much play, the hands played themselves. I hang around for another 3 hours, nothing happens, I donate a little back, leave on $600. Was quite bored after all the relative excitement to begin with, then twiddled my thumbs and didn't do much after that.
 
red+black said:
Not sure it hits these heights monthly. My last two texts from Crown were
- November 17 - high jackpot is $600k
- December 8 - high jackpot is $750k

So 150k in 21 days. Looks like it increases by about $225k per month.
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There is a high limit and low limit jackpot though the low limit one usually clocks out pretty fast and battles to make it past $700k. Perhaps once a month was a slight exaggeration but it's not rare by any stretch.
 
Clonie Gowen is currently playing a satellite on table 31. For those that don't know, she lives here now.
 

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Was in there today.

No more cash changes from the dealer's float. The person with the bum-bag full of chips has to be called to the table to do it. It's really annoying and slow, especially as it appeared that there was still only one person in the room doing this role.

As our dealer at the time pointed out, Wednesday afternoon is about as quiet as you'd expect, so how will this go on a Saturday evening?

Also exaggerated by the $1/$2 players that insist on buying in $50 by $50.

And as for the play, I was comfortably chipping up to about $250, then lost it all in a $500 pot when the big stack straddled K-4o to $7, called my reraise with A-A, then flopped 2-pairs. Ezy game... :heart:
 
So many things could be improved at Crown. Having the pit boss desk at one extreme end of the room doesn't help. The supervisors always tend to be in their own world, be nice to have such an easy job. Yeah, one chip runner in the room if you're lucky. About as many waitresses also.

I played Tuesday, won one buy-in. Cashed in, had some dinner, came back, bought in short. Playing 1/2, I raise in EP with AA to 15, next guy insta-calls, LP calls. Flop K65r. For some reason, I decide the right play is to jam 60 into pot of 48. And they both snap-call like they have the nuts. First guy, KTo, other K7o. Turn T and I'm buying back in. How bad are these idiots?
 
red+black said:
So many things could be improved at Crown. Having the pit boss desk at one extreme end of the room doesn't help. The supervisors always tend to be in their own world, be nice to have such an easy job. Yeah, one chip runner in the room if you're lucky. About as many waitresses also.

I played Tuesday, won one buy-in. Cashed in, had some dinner, came back, bought in short. Playing 1/2, I raise in EP with AA to 15, next guy insta-calls, LP calls. Flop K65r. For some reason, I decide the right play is to jam 60 into pot of 48. And they both snap-call like they have the nuts. First guy, KTo, other K7o. Turn T and I'm buying back in. How bad are these idiots?
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Dont take this the wrong way, but buying in short in a high rake game such as 1/2 at Crown is more of a stupid idea then calling off with TP with an SPR of 1.3 or so on the flop.
 
I don't see how my stack size changes how the others played pre-flop or post-flop. $15 with K7o, really?

Then call 60 after a shove and a call. Really? Maybe he was thinking about his straight draw.

No I don't often buy in short, but in this instance, my stack size allowed me to play the hand optimally. As it turned out, KTo fish tripled up, had a decent stack, yet lost it all, while I walked out with a 1 buy-in profit. Go figure.
 
red+black said:
I don't see how my stack size changes how the others played pre-flop or post-flop. $15 with K7o, really?

Then call 60 after a shove and a call. Really? Maybe he was thinking about his straight draw.

No I don't often buy in short, but in this instance, my stack size allowed me to play the hand optimally. As it turned out, KTo fish tripled up, had a decent stack, yet lost it all, while I walked out with a 1 buy-in profit. Go figure.
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Your stack size actually does affect their postflop play.

1) Both hands should have folded preflop (could make an arguement for raising KTo but will leave that for another day). This is undoubtedly true. However, this is 1/2 and we have to assume that preflop calling ranges are wide. This too is undoubtedly true.

2) Your stack sizes didnt necessarily allow you to play the hand optimally, in fact, it allowed him to play somewhat closer to optimal give the preflop call. When he calls the 15, he can only lose 45 to you. If you have 300 back effective, you can punish him over multiple streets for multiple bets.

"But wait, he would have sucked out on the turn"

That is true. However, we can safely bet/fold the turn if we think that the opponents will call down with a one pair hand, and only raise a two pair hand or better. So when you have a bigger effective stack size, you get to give him the full punishment when you have the best of it, but when he sucks out he only gets a small portion of your stack. Not only that, but the times when he doesnt get lucky on the turn, he pays you a whole lot more money.

However, there is a big difference between bet/folding in practice, and bet/folding in reality. :)

3) Assuming that I had called preflop with the KTo, with the SPR that we have, I would have called off the flop too, unless I put you on exactly a range of AA, KK, AK and occasinally QQ. I would assume that your range is wider then that, the shove could mean a lot, and that I am getting an okay price with no negative implied odds against you. If you had 300 back, then I would have to be scared of not only the 40 flop bet, but the 90 on the turn and the 160 all in on the river. That would strike more fear into me then the AI on the flop for around pot. (As an aside, I would play your hand the same way on the flop, just that I never get in that spot because I try and save playing 30bb stacks for tournaments :))

CONCLUSION: As stacks get bigger in terms of BB's, the edges we have are bigger. For example, if me and Durrrr were playing a HU SNG, where we started with one big blind each, we would be very evenly matched since durrrr has no edge. If we play 50bb deep, Durrrr has a pretty solid edge against a HU n00b like me, and 1000bb deep durrrr would crush me longterm.

The same growing edges apply for fullring low stakes nl games. The deeper the stacks, the more of an edge we will have and in fact, I am convinced at $15 cap 10% that playing 30bb effective is a breakeven endeavour at best.

Again, dont take my constructive criticism personally, and yes, its an unlucky bad beat, but the reason we post these things I would like to think is to get better then the mob and make some good decisions and hopefully some nice money out of this.
 
Anyone been to Crown lately? I heard that they an old rumour was about to come to fruition, that is, tables upstairs somewhere. Not sure if that's just during the Aussie Millions, just on weekends, or a permanent thing. Believe it when I see it. I used to like playing up on Level 1.
 
I have confirmed that 1/2 will NOT run during the entire Aussie Millions. It will run only on PokerPro: 50-100 BI, 10% to $4 rake (I think).

I can also confirm that right now there is not a single person sitting at a PokerPro table (no one lurking either).
 
red+black said:
I have confirmed that 1/2 will NOT run during the entire Aussie Millions. It will run only on PokerPro: 50-100 BI, 10% to $4 rake (I think).

I can also confirm that right now there is not a single person sitting at a PokerPro table (no one lurking either).
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Are those PokerPro tables ever used apart from maybe Friday/Saturday ngiht, every time I am they are never being used, such a waste of space.

Disappointing no 1/2 being played but makes sense, would of liked to gone in once after a day at the tennis.
 
No, the PokerPro tables are just taking up space these days. They used to be rather popular, but they might as well get rid of them now.

To me, the biggest problem is the location of the poker room. It would be far better NOT in the basement. They should at least put some tables up on Level 1 like they used to do.
 
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