Mega Thread AFL to investigate Essendon for controversial fitness program - PART3

[pazza]

Thats good, but ASADA wont be listening im afraid

As i have said a few times...for those who haven't caught up yet.

It is the data Dank referred to in the interview on 7.30 that will be the key to any decision either way.

Every player is on that list. Everything the players took was on that list. When the supplements were taken and how much was administered.

If - and that's a pretty bloody big IF it is found that the any substance administered WAS illegal, then things will take their course.

However - if it is found that every substance was legal, then there is no case to answer.

Right now, based on the statements given so far, it is more likely that that the latter applies and not the former.

So - who would you believe that is telling the truth?

Reimers - disgruntled and hardly frank in his interviews

or

McVeigh and Dank - who have been fully frank in theirs.

 

[whiteoak]

So much irony..lol and its exactly what he wrote...cretin

No it wasn't.

Get someone to help you here...

I know of over 20 current Eagles players that are linked in the WA police database as associates of "known" identities - I am sure you think (and hope) I am kidding

Now this is really not too complicated.

Every club would probably have a similar number of players in this situation.

Public figures tend to attract attention of the coppers.

It's not a crime. It is a fact of life.

And your reaction....??

Bitter obsessed drivel...Your wet dreams are not relevant like your club.

Words fail me when it comes to your ignorance and obsessions.

Best you go back to the Bay.

 

[pazza]

Pazza,

(1) What do you see as Bomber Thompson's role in all this?
(2) Why the sudden departure of Hamilton?

1. Minor. He recommended Robinson on the back of Robinson's work in helping to get Geelong up there and keep them there.

Whether you like Geelong or not, you have to be impressed by the hard work ethic that saw premiership success. Could you blame Thompson in recommending him based on that past?

2. As I understand it, Hamilton left the club because of his family. Not because of any other reason (I believe that hammer's young family has health problems, so it's justifiable in those circumstances).

 

[pazza]

gonna fly up again are they? Im sure caro will be dissapointed if they dont...

Heck no-one knows.

 

[pazza]

They could be frying infants under the A.F. Showler stand and the members wouldn't give a stuff.

Essendon are a supercilious amoral entity that thinks it's birthright is to flaunt all semblance of ethical conduct. The rules just don't apply to Essendon.

That's Bay 13 worthy.

 

[bad setanta]

They could be frying infants under the A.F. Showler stand and the members wouldn't give a stuff.

Essendon are a supercilious amoral entity that thinks it's birthright is to flaunt all semblance of ethical conduct. The rules just don't apply to Essendon.

THIS

 

[Doss]

They could be frying infants under the A.F. Showler stand and the members wouldn't give a stuff.

Essendon are a supercilious amoral entity that thinks it's birthright is to flaunt all semblance of ethical conduct. The rules just don't apply to Essendon.

Must be hard carrying as much bitterness as you do.

 

[SharkShuffler]

1. Minor. He recommended Robinson on the back of Robinson's work in helping to get Geelong up there and keep them there.

Whether you like Geelong or not, you have to be impressed by the hard work ethic that saw premiership success. Could you blame Thompson in recommending him based on that past?

2. As I understand it, Hamilton left the club because of his family. Not because of any other reason (I believe that hammer's young family has health problems, so it's justifiable in those circumstances).

Pazza,


Hey thanks for responding.

Do you think we can trust Dank's statement regarding the "3 to 5 Essendon Coaches" he mentioned?

 

[fishardansin]

Results are out? Pretty low key IMHO.

You don't know otherwise. What I said contains as many facts as what you did and is equally likely, perhaps more so.

If only you trolls out there afforded the same liberties with assumptions from WHAT WE KNOW to Essendon supporters as you do yourselves!!

Hang on, I'm expecting a scummy troll to act reasonably ... silly me .... carry on!

 

[AstroboyUK]

Look Im sorry: I cannot understand this: can someone provide just a simple answer to these quesions, because something is very off with the logic of this situation:

1. If the ACC have so much information that, inonjunction with ASADA and WADA they can announce that they have been investigating for over a year+: and make it clear that these are overwhelming issues of great severity and certainty - why arent they making the arrests/bans now?
2. How can they announce the breaches as if they are fact, but then not be able to table any evidence, or make those 'facts' subject to further investigation? Is the investigation just starting?.. or is the Investigation complete? If its not complete, why announce people are 'guilty' before its complete and due process has had a chance for people to defend themselves?
3. Why would you/how can you announce the investigation and effectveily announce the results of the investiation (with all the damage this has done to innocent parties) at the same time?

The current situation seems illogical. Can anyone explain these 3 doubts specifically?

 

[Plugger35]

gonna fly up again are they? Im sure caro will be dissapointed if they dont...

If most of their playing list gets suspended they'll just need a 6 seater Cessna to go up there this time.

 

[pazza]

Pazza,


Hey thanks for responding.

Do you think we can trust Dank's statement regarding the 3 to 5 "Essendon Coaches" he mentioned?

I think we can.

I was looking at just how many coaches and assistant coaches the club has employed the other day. The number of them is staggering and that the 3-5 could mean any of them - not necessarily Hird or Thompson..or Madden. Heck they could have been with Bendigo..or junior assistants in strength and conditioning.

 

[mattyflux]

As i have said a few times...for those who haven't caught up yet.

It is the data Dank referred to in the interview on 7.30 that will be the key to any decision either way.

Every player is on that list. Everything the players took was on that list. When the supplements were taken and how much was administered.

If - and that's a pretty bloody big IF it is found that the any substance administered WAS illegal, then things will take their course.

However - if it is found that every substance was legal, then there is no case to answer.

Right now, based on the statements given so far, it is more likely that that the latter applies and not the former.

So - who would you believe that is telling the truth?

Reimers - disgruntled and hardly frank in his interviews

or

McVeigh and Dank - who have been fully frank in theirs.

I believe Reimers. He just comes across as ignorant on the whole issue which I reckon would be a pretty accurate way of describing him. He didn't say anything really other than he didn't know what he was taking which is probably true, and that it all seemed a bit strange which it was!

McVeigh seemed highly emotive in his little speech. And I know when I am defending something and get emotional I can say rash things and over exaggerate.

Dank. Well I just wouldn't trust that guy. And it seems many others haven't over the journey of his career. Everything he said was obvious. As if he would have admitted it if he had administered PED's!

I think the whole thing is 50/50 and im not leaning any way. If all substances were legal I still don't think that the way it was handled is OK and heads need to roll.
If PEDs were administered then the AFL and WADA need to come down really heavy on the Bombers so this rubbish never happens in our sport again.

 

[fishardansin]

They could be frying infants under the A.F. Showler stand and the members wouldn't give a stuff.

Essendon are a supercilious amoral entity that thinks it's birthright is to flaunt all semblance of ethical conduct. The rules just don't apply to Essendon.

LOL!!!

Essendon has lead the AFL, which leads Australian sport in engaging the community, funding itself and standing up for important community issues.

What has north done other than whore itself to Sydney, Canberra and Hobart?

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

The mere fact that Ings didn't know if the Essendon coaches faced consequences and that it was a "very technical issue" says to me that Malifice may be closer than people think.

What did Malifice say? Sorry it's been a long thread and I've missed it.

 

[fishardansin]

I believe Reimers. He just comes across as ignorant on the whole issue which I reckon would be a pretty accurate way of describing him. He didn't say anything really other than he didn't know what he was taking which is probably true, and that it all seemed a bit strange which it was!

McVeigh seemed highly emotive in his little speech. And I know when I am defending something and get emotional I can say rash things and over exaggerate.

Dank. Well I just wouldn't trust that guy. And it seems many others haven't over the journey of his career. Everything he said was obvious. As if he would have admitted it if he had administered PED's!

I think the whole thing is 50/50 and im not leaning any way. If all substances were legal I still don't think that the way it was handled is OK and heads need to roll.
If PEDs were administered then the AFL and WADA need to come down really heavy on the Bombers so this rubbish never happens in our sport again.

That is a very fair assesment for someone who has no emotional investment in Essendon, based upon the difficult task of trying to decifer facts from the out and out rubbish that has been printed over the last week.

Trolls take note!!

Also mods isn't this what the main board is sposed to be?

 

[Dry Rot]

Remember those earlier posts that the ACC are a bunch of arse clowns?

Police cold on ACC doping claims

• BY:CHIP LE GRAND AND PAUL MALEY
• From:The Australian
• February 13, 2013 12:00AM

THERE are no active criminal investigations into allegations raised by the Australian Crime Commission's year-long examination of organised crime and drugs in sport despite state-based police having been aware of its findings for the past five months. ACC chief executive John Lawler, under pressure to defend his agency's handling of last week's sensational report warning crime gangs were infiltrating the major professional sports, said the operation had largely gathered intelligence rather than evidence and was not intended to result in arrests. "The purpose of such an operation is not to make arrests," Mr Lawler told Senate estimates yesterday. "The purpose is to understand the threat, risk and vulnerabilities."...

The Australian understands no current Essendon player was examined by the ACC despite the AFL club being the subject of serious doping allegations. The apparent hole in the ACC investigation was confirmed by multiple sources within club management, staff and the playing group. It can also be revealed that Stephen Dank, the scientist who designed and administered the club's 2012 treatment program suspected of breaching anti-doping rules, appeared twice before the ACC.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/police-cold-on-acc-doping-claims/story-e6frg7mf-1226576594947

 

[fishardansin]

And Caro has switched her attack to the Dees.

Also looks like Emma Quayle knocked some sense into her too!

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dons-take-positive-approach-20130212-2ebhb.html

 

[pazza]

Remember those earlier posts that the ACC are a bunch of arse clowns?



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/police-cold-on-acc-doping-claims/story-e6frg7mf-1226576594947

Great find D_R.

 

[Public Enemy No1]

No it wasn't.

Get someone to help you here...






Now this is really not too complicated.

Every club would probably have a similar number of players in this situation.

Public figures tend to attract attention of the coppers.

It's not a crime. It is a fact of life.

And your reaction....??



Words fail me when it comes to your ignorance and obsessions.

Best you go back to the Bay.

More spin...funny he only mentioned one club..wonder why
His post was crap..Keep trying to defend it with attacks on me

I dont need to go to the bay reading tripe from you and your fellow supporters. I feel like Im constantly there.

 

[Defacto]

i'm all out of popcorn :-(

 

[Defacto]

LOL!!!

Essendon has lead the AFL, which leads Australian sport in engaging the community, funding itself and standing up for important community issues.

What has norf done other than whore itself to Sydney, Canberra and Hobart?

rofl

really and now its leading australia in how not to manage an organisation correctly and protect its key assets

 

[Doss]

LOL!!!

Essendon has lead the AFL, which leads Australian sport in engaging the community, funding itself and standing up for important community issues.

What has norf done other than whore itself to Sydney, Canberra and Hobart?

Don't turn it into a point scoring Essendon/North thing, fish.

Apart from the fact it's not the topic, it's what Teffy wants you to do so that he can climb up on his little soap box.

 

[fishardansin]

rofl

really and now its leading australia in how not to manage an organisation correctly and protect its key assets

Another "evidence" based claim!!! LOL

 

[mattyflux]

Look Im sorry: I cannot understand this: can someone provide just a simple answer to these quesions, because something is very off with the logic of this situation:

1. If the ACC have so much information that, inonjunction with ASADA and WADA they can announce that they have been investigating for over a year+: and make it clear that these are overwhelming issues of great severity and certainty - why arent they making the arrests/bans now?
2. How can they announce the breaches as if they are fact, but then not be able to table any evidence, or make those 'facts' subject to further investigation? Is the investigation just starting?.. or is the Investigation complete? If its not complete, why announce people are 'guilty' before its complete and due process has had a chance for people to defend themselves?
3. Why would you/how can you announce the investigation and effectveily announce the results of the investiation (with all the damage this has done to innocent parties) at the same time?

The current situation seems illogical. Can anyone explain these 3 doubts specifically?

The ACC are a investigative agency not a law enforcement agency . They do investigations into trends in crime and things like that. For example monitoring of records indicated a 225% increase of peptides and HGH etc importations into the country. The ACC investigated and as they dug deeper founds these links to professional sport in Aus.The info they uncovered has been handed over to the local law enforcement agencies who are now doing their own enquiries. In some cases enough evidence would be uncovered to make arrests straight away in others they will need to find more hard evidence.

They announced the breaches according to some because the ACC and government thought these findings were significant enough for the general public to be made aware of them. Particularly if they are expecting multiple arrests and positive drug tests over the next few months.
According to others it is all political spin to take the heat of the floundering labour party but I'll let you be the judge of that.

I don't understand your last question. They can't announce all the information to the public due to legal reasons. The evidence has to be compiled and warrant arresting someone for that info to be made public which the police will do when these arrests are made (if they are at all). Same goes with WADA/ASADA. When there is enough evidence to charge someone with a doping charge then the announcement will be made public.

Frustrating, but thats the way it is. Personally I think they should have kept their mouthsd shut until they had enough evidence to start arresting people, then given the details of the report.