Mega Thread AFL to investigate Essendon for controversial fitness program - PART3

[Percel]

I wouldn't do that, he could be North Melbournes Member.

True dat, we'll be down to 4 then

 

[mattyflux]

While I agree that this is a good article, would player parents be happy if their sons were being injected with substances not approved for human use?

No. Which is why the AFL would come down hard on the Bombers as an organisation IMO. Players not guilty of PEDs though so they would be free to play.

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

I have said elsewhere that questions can and will be asked about this from the MEMBERSHIP in due course.

But, I'm not expecting too many heads to roll either way.

Well thank you for providing an opinion. It's much appreciated.

I dunno maybe its because I'm on the outside looking in but if this happened to my club, there'd be several people if wanna see the back of regardless of investigation results. Mud sticks.

 

[whiteoak]

Yeah!
They'll ring your Mum.
They are sitting there waiting to see who flinches first.
If I ran an AFL club I'd organise a player/supporter lunch at the local oval and give the ACC the fat finger.

I really enjoy, and generally agree with, your posts on the SR+P board.

But the stand you are taking on this has me perplexed.

You are claiming that the ACC is basing this on "internet" statistics or some such.

Seems a long bow to me.

PS: Pls don't bombard me with long-winded links .

 

[SharkShuffler]

This piece will be very close to the mark from what I have heard.

Non banned. Dodgy.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-areas-rule-20130212-2eb5s.html#ixzz2KgOipgJF

Yep, would agree - this article describes things that the public could be "shocked and disgusted" by

 

[mattyflux]

Not to mention substances that are in all likelihood going to end up banned.

Pumping your body full of drugs that have not yet been banned by the governing body only because they are yet to be approved for human use is still the ultimate in cheating.

Maybe they just wanted the ultimate tan

 

[whiteoak]

Not to mention substances that are in all likelihood going to end up banned.

Pumping your body full of drugs that have not yet been banned by the governing body only because they are yet to be approved for human use is still the ultimate in cheating.

Why would you bother replying when you were unaware who does the testing for the AFL??

You can't even grasp the basics in this.

 

[pazza]

Well thank you for providing an opinion. It's much appreciated.

I dunno maybe its because I'm on the outside looking in but if this happened to my club, there'd be several people if wanna see the back of regardless of investigation results. Mud sticks.

One thing Essendon tends not to do is public blood-letting.

The one thing I think about going back to the Knights saga was the blood-letting that did go on. That was not the Essendon way - nor was it the Essendon way with what it did with the end of Sheedy.

Yes - I do think there'll be an EGM after the investigation is completed and that Hird, Robson and Evans will face the members in attendance.

The likelihood of the membership actually calling for a vote of no-confidence on any of them is pretty remote. The coterie groups do wield power at Essendon and they are all on the side of the 3 men mentioned above.

The general membership would all fall behind that group.

The one thing that has been clearly evident is that the majority of Essendon people collectively, are united in such a way the rest of the competition won't know what hit it.

 

[Noobz0r]

Not to mention substances that are in all likelihood going to end up banned.

Pumping your body full of drugs that have not yet been banned by the governing body only because they are yet to be approved for human use is still the ultimate in cheating.

You weren't aware who did testing for the AFL. You decided to ignore my previous quoted post of yours.

Going to go ahead and ignore this post as uneducated.

Edit: uneducated meaning that you don't fully grasp this subject.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Pumping your body full of drugs that have not yet been banned by the governing body only because they are yet to be approved for human use is still the ultimate in cheating.

Not illegal, but I think most would say, unethical.

 

[Public Enemy No1]

Just what do you bring to this site apart from the constant childish, obsessed shots at the Dockers and our supporters, and lame-brained, border-line ******ed conspiracy theories about the Victorian media?

You sir, are an arse.

So much irony..lol and its exactly what he wrote...cretin

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

One thing Essendon tends not to do is public blood-letting.

The one thing I think about going back to the Knights saga was the blood-letting that did go on. That was not the Essendon way - nor was it the Essendon way with what it did with the end of Sheedy.

Yes - I do think there'll be an EGM after the investigation is completed and that Hird, Robson and Evans will face the members in attendance.

The likelihood of the membership actually calling for a vote of no-confidence on any of them is pretty remote. The coterie groups do wield power at Essendon and they are all on the side of the 3 men mentioned above.

The general membership would all fall behind that group.

The one thing that has been clearly evident is that the majority of Essendon people collectively, are united in such a way the rest of the competition won't know what hit it.

Are you surprised at all by the seemingly overwhelming support for these 3?

 

[PoppedCorn]

you'd think that:
'not approved for human use'

would actually mean you couldn't use them as they haven't been
errrr
given approval to be used yet


dont mind me.......

 

[SPREWELL]

Not enough love for this post/article. Probably the only half intelligent thing said in the last 130 pages.
IMO is the most likely situation. What the punishment will be IF TRUE is anyones guess!!

IF TRUE everyone is telling the truth. Hird, Dank, the ACC but it all falls in a massive grey area. My guess would be no suspensions for the players but I would imagine the AFL would come down pretty hard on the Bombers.

The "other" issue (aside from Dank's shady links, business and personal - through business) is the overuse of IV's. Hence the serious look at the Anzac game.

They are in the shit, obviously. But Dank is too smart to have given PEP 6. He made cocktails of legal and unregulated peptides. He used Bovine C too. He injected vitamins. All "legal". The methods perhaps borderline.

His criminal links have caused the focus, as has his "ways" for years which make him a big ticket for ASADA.

I don't buy the nuff buffs saying "Hird/Essendon said they didn't know." And that they cant guarantee nothing went wrong. Whilst the program was in place, everything was signed off under the WADA code register. Everything recorded Things have come to light (probably only the release of this stupid political report) and the AFL threw them under the bus as the poster boy. The club no doubt was in a bit of panic, but my word is the same as Roy Masters. They were pushed by the AFL. ACC investigated for a year, Dank and the EFC questioned in September and nothing. Up till the week of the report and now. That is fishy. The only thing the EFC adminstration is guilty of - is employing a cutting edge bloke that has "some" tenuous links and that 5 NRL and now 3 AFL clubs have engaged.

This will amount to not much other than the AFL overreacting due to perception. Public and political.

The comments re coaching staff are odd....This could be the smoking gun. Does Dank now know they have something? However from a good source:

"

Based on what I heard today I'm hopeful the players will be cleared by WADA and the AFL shortly. My understanding is its not a player issue anymore. It may be that Essendon paid Dank to buy supplements for the players but he used some of the money to buy supplements for his aging clinic. Some of the supplements may have contained banned substances but none of these were used on the players. I'm not saying any rules were broken by the club or any of the substances ordered by Dank wre banned, but i can say I'm even more confident the players are in the clear. That's all I have at this point."​

 

[juzzo]

I thought someone mentioned that WADA have provisions for drugs that are neither banned or approved yet.

 

[Pie eyed]

Maybe Malifice not so far off the mark?

In the article by Caroline Wilson ans Emma Quayle we read this:

Dank said the players were given vitamins intravenously, but did not clarify whether they were injected with peptides.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dons-take-positive-approach-20130212-2ebhb.html#ixzz2Kgjc4yiQ​

Yet in the interview:

CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: Did you inject any Essendon players with a prohibited substance?
STEVE DANK: No.
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: What did you inject Essendon players with?
STEVE DANK: Oh, look, they had intravenous injections for vitamin B and vitamin C, which are quite compliant with the WADA code.
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: What else were Essendon players injected with?
STEVE DANK: Nothing else, intravenously, no.
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: How then were peptides applied? Because the suggestion is that peptides were applied intravenously.
STEVE DANK: No, there was no intravenous application of peptides whatsoever.

Richard Ings, former head of ASADA is most concerned that what would in every sense be the perfectly legal use of legally available yet WADA banned supplements, a word he feels "dumbs down the issue" by a non-playing individual, therefore completely free to do as they wish, is "not a good look".
What I see as "not a good look" is a half baked report extremely low on evidence making widely sweeping claims it seem unable to back-up.

 

[bad setanta]

One thing Essendon tends not to do is public blood-letting.

The one thing I think about going back to the Knights saga was the blood-letting that did go on. That was not the Essendon way - nor was it the Essendon way with what it did with the end of Sheedy.

Yes - I do think there'll be an EGM after the investigation is completed and that Hird, Robson and Evans will face the members in attendance.

The likelihood of the membership actually calling for a vote of no-confidence on any of them is pretty remote. The coterie groups do wield power at Essendon and they are all on the side of the 3 men mentioned above.

The general membership would all fall behind that group.

The one thing that has been clearly evident is that the majority of Essendon people collectively, are united in such a way the rest of the competition won't know what hit it.

do you mean united in their delusion?

 

[pazza]

Are you surprised at all by the seemingly overwhelming support for these 3?

Not really.

Hird is obvious. He could kill Bambi and the Essendon faithful would back him to the hilt.

Evans is the club chairman. For the media muppets to call for his head, when we all know that club boards are basically kept well separate from on-field matters, unless a board member or 2 is represented on the match committee, that Evans quite rightly has done nothing wrong and would be safer than Fort Knox.

That leaves Robson - whilst it is indeed the case that as CEO he has the final say on who is employed at every level of the club and that to a point, his due diligence in the employment of Dank maybe questioned - it can also be said he did nothing actually wrong either.

 

[pazza]

do you mean united in their delusion?

United by the facts, not the supposition everyone else is falling over themselves with.

United by the loyalty to the club, to Hird. To Essendon.

You may have heard the "We Are Essendon" chant at matches. That is unity. Expect to hear that Friday night, in Wangaratta, in Canberra, in Adelaide in Round 1.

 

[juzzo]

In the article by Caroline Wilson ans Emma Quayle we read this:


Yet in the interview:

Richard Ings, former head of ASADA is most concerned that what would in every sense be the perfectly legal use of legally available yet WADA banned supplements, a word he feels "dumbs down the issue" by a non-playing individual, therefore completely free to do as they wish, is "not a good look".
What I see as "not a good look" is a half baked report extremely low on evidence making widely sweeping claims it seem unable to back-up.

The mere fact that Ings didn't know if the Essendon coaches faced consequences and that it was a "very technical issue" says to me that Malifice may be closer than people think.

 

[bad setanta]

United by the facts, not the supposition everyone else is falling over themselves with.

United by the loyalty to the club, to Hird. To Essendon.

You may have heard the "We Are Essendon" chant at matches. That is unity. Expect to hear that Friday night, in Wangaratta, in Canberra, in Adelaide in Round 1.

Thats good, but ASADA wont be listening im afraid

 

[SPREWELL]

Richard Ings is looking the lead fool out of all this. Caro and Pat hot on his heels. Gerard Healy has calmed. Only took him 12 mths to realise that asking about PEP 6 doesn't mean 40 players were injected with it. #factbeforefiction ?

 

[SharkShuffler]

Not really.

Hird is obvious. He could kill Bambi and the Essendon faithful would back him to the hilt.

Evans is the club chairman. For the media muppets to call for his head, when we all know that club boards are basically kept well separate from on-field matters, unless a board member or 2 is represented on the match committee, that Evans quite rightly has done nothing wrong and would be safer than Fort Knox.

That leaves Robson - whilst it is indeed the case that as CEO he has the final say on who is employed at every level of the club and that to a point, his due diligence in the employment of Dank maybe questioned - it can also be said he did nothing actually wrong either.

Pazza,

(1) What do you see as Bomber Thompson's role in all this?
(2) Why the sudden departure of Hamilton?

 

[bad setanta]

United by the facts, not the supposition everyone else is falling over themselves with.

United by the loyalty to the club, to Hird. To Essendon.

You may have heard the "We Are Essendon" chant at matches. That is unity. Expect to hear that Friday night, in Wangaratta, in Canberra, in Adelaide in Round 1.

gonna fly up again are they? Im sure caro will be dissapointed if they dont...

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

The likelihood of the membership actually calling for a vote of no-confidence on any of them is pretty remote. The coterie groups do wield power at Essendon and they are all on the side of the 3 men mentioned above.

They could be frying infants under the A.F. Showler stand and the members wouldn't give a stuff.

Essendon are a supercilious amoral entity that thinks it's birthright is to flaunt all semblance of ethical conduct. The rules just don't apply to Essendon.