Mega Thread AFL to investigate Essendon for controversial fitness program - PART3

[Defacto]

Another "evidence" based claim!!! LOL

according to your own ceo mate

 

[PoppedCorn]

i'm all out of popcorn :-(

 

[fishardansin]

Don't turn it into a point scoring Essendon/North thing, fish.

Apart from the fact it's not the topic, it's what Teffy wants you to do so that he can climb up on his little soap box.

My soap box is much bigger than his!!

 

[fishardansin]

according to your own ceo mate

What did our CEO say in regards to that? Can you give a direct quote?

 

[The_Wookie]

Remember those earlier posts that the ACC are a bunch of arse clowns?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/police-cold-on-acc-doping-claims/story-e6frg7mf-1226576594947

IF they have no actual evidence, then Dank should win his defamation case, the AFL should investigate itself and tell the Government to come back when they have something they can work with. The fear and uncertainty across multiple codes as a result of the report should he quashed immediately before it drastically.

 

[Mordecai]

LOL!!!

Essendon has lead the AFL, which leads Australian sport in engaging the community, funding itself and standing up for important community issues.

What has norf done other than whore itself to Sydney, Canberra and Hobart?

On the front foot I see....

Also mods isn't this what the main board is sposed to be?

You're the last person who should be appealing to a mod.

 

[pazza]

IF they have no actual evidence, then Dank should win his defamation case, the AFL should investigate itself and tell the Government to come back when they have something they can work with. The fear and uncertainty across multiple codes as a result of the report should he quashed immediately before it drastically.

Correct.

His lawyer would love that little bit of information right there that D_R has given us from the Australian.

 

[Djcjdees]

As i have said a few times...for those who haven't caught up yet.

It is the data Dank referred to in the interview on 7.30 that will be the key to any decision either way.

Every player is on that list. Everything the players took was on that list. When the supplements were taken and how much was administered.

If - and that's a pretty bloody big IF it is found that the any substance administered WAS illegal, then things will take their course.

However - if it is found that every substance was legal, then there is no case to answer.

Right now, based on the statements given so far, it is more likely that that the latter applies and not the former.

So - who would you believe that is telling the truth?

Reimers - disgruntled and hardly frank in his interviews

or

McVeigh and Dank - who have been fully frank in theirs.

You're right, if indeed everything is ine that last. Why would you supply a player with an illegal substance then go enter it on your laptop?

 

[maxmustard]

That is a very fair assesment for someone who has no emotional investment in Essendon, based upon the difficult task of trying to decifer facts from the out and out rubbish that has been printed over the last week.

Trolls take note!!

Also mods isn't this what the main board is sposed to be?

Youre meant to report any troll post as its post moderated. Thing is, it's the same flog trolls posting 7000 times in the same thread without anyone stopping them (looking at you, north posters). Maybe they post so much shit it's good for the sites traffic. Anyway I'll say peptides to stay on topic.

 

[Mordecai]

Youre meant to report any troll post as its post moderated. Thing is, it's the same flog trolls posting 7000 times in the same thread without anyone stopping them (looking at you, north posters). Maybe they post so much shit it's good for the sites traffic. Anyway I'll say peptides to stay on topic.

Pfft... look at us all you want. There are more of us here so therefore we will have more trolls on this site.

 

[fishardansin]

Youre meant to report any troll post as its post moderated. Thing is, it's the same flog trolls posting 7000 times in the same thread without anyone stopping them (looking at you, north posters). Maybe they post so much shit it's good for the sites traffic. Anyway I'll say peptides to stay on topic.

Love the finish!!

 

[Dry Rot]

IF they have no actual evidence, then Dank should win his defamation case, the AFL should investigate itself and tell the Government to come back when they have something they can work with. The fear and uncertainty across multiple codes as a result of the report should he quashed immediately before it drastically.

Can someone then tell why the **** did they have the press conference with the two Fed Ministers and the ACC boss?

 

[maxmustard]

Pfft... look at us all you want. There are more of us here so therefore we will have more trolls on this site.

Sometimes I think you're all the same guy.

 

[Powerade 08]

I thought someone mentioned that WADA have provisions for drugs that are neither banned or approved yet.

Have a read of S2.

http://list.wada-ama.org/prohibited-in-competition/prohibited-substances/

Basically, if it has the same performance enhancing effects as a banned peptide you can still get done.

 

[Public Enemy No1]

It's not spin, you melon-headed drongo.

It was in reply to you implicating 6 Fremantle players with speculation!

Which was a response to YET ANOTHER crap post from those supporters you keep blindly defending. Learn to read a whole thread not just pick and chose bits to suit your obvious and juvenile agenda.

And nice name calling...Still up on a school night?
Embarrassing

 

[Mordecai]

Sometimes I think you're all the same guy.

Racist

 

[whiteoak]

Which was a response to YET ANOTHER crap post from those supporters you keep blindly defending. Learn to read a whole thread not just pick and chose bits to suit your obvious and juvenile agenda.

And nice name calling...Still up on a school night?
Embarrassing

Tell me this.

Why do your own supporters attack you?

 

[AstroboyUK]

The ACC are a investigative agency not a law enforcement agency . They do investigations into trends in crime and things like that. For example monitoring of records indicated a 225% increase of peptides and HGH etc importations into the country. The ACC investigated and as they dug deeper founds these links to professional sport in Aus.The info they uncovered has been handed over to the local law enforcement agencies who are now doing their own enquiries. In some cases enough evidence would be uncovered to make arrests straight away in others they will need to find more hard evidence.

They announced the breaches according to some because the ACC and government thought these findings were significant enough for the general public to be made aware of them. Particularly if they are expecting multiple arrests and positive drug tests over the next few months.
According to others it is all political spin to take the heat of the floundering labour party but I'll let you be the judge of that.

I don't understand your last question. They can't announce all the information to the public due to legal reasons. The evidence has to be compiled and warrant arresting someone for that info to be made public which the police will do when these arrests are made (if they are at all). Same goes with WADA/ASADA. When there is enough evidence to charge someone with a doping charge then the announcement will be made public.

Frustrating, but thats the way it is. Personally I think they should have kept their mouthsd shut until they had enough evidence to start arresting people, then given the details of the report.

thanks Matty, that a very clear explanation: removes most of the mystery for me: the one doubt remaining is in your middle paragraph starting.. "they announced the breaches...." How can they state them as breaches & expecting arrests if they need to do further drug tests/further investigations to establish them as breaches? .

In your last sentance I think you also kinda agree in that they shouldnt have gone public until they had enought evidence to start actually arresting people. Its this gap that creates confusion I think. If its open and shut enough to have a huge announcement and blitzkreig on all Australian sport...when are the arrests starting? IS the delay due to due process wihtin the local law enforcement agencies as they take over the cases? But surely that due process doesnt include re-testing for drugs? Hasnt that step already taken place? or is there currently not evidence to arrest for this, and maybe only "information" that warrents investigation? See how I find it confusing?

 

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

Can someone then tell why the **** did they have the press conference with the two Fed Ministers and the ACC boss?

The head of WADA is also intrigued by this. Basically said that, even if they have a case, the big show and dance wasn't at all necessary considering it could take months for the proper authorities to get to the bottom of things.

 

[whiteoak]

The head of WADA is also intrigued by this. Basically said that, even if they have a case, the big show and dance wasn't at all necessary considering it could take months for the proper authorities to get to the bottom of things.

He is also the ex-Liberal Premier of NSW.

 

[Dry Rot]

The head of WADA is also intrigued by this. Basically said that, even if they have a case, the big show and dance wasn't at all necessary considering it could take months for the proper authorities to get to the bottom of things.

Agreed.

Whatever your club has done, that press conference makes no sense now other than taking attention away from Gillard's stuff ups.

 

[The_Wookie]

In your last sentance I think you also kinda agree in that they shouldnt have gone public until they had enought evidence to start actually arresting people. Its this gap that creates confusion I think. If its open and shut enough to have a huge announcement and blitzkreig on all Australian sport...when are the arrests starting? IS the delay due to due process wihtin the local law enforcement agencies as they take over the cases? But surely that due process doesnt include re-testing for drugs? Hasnt that step already taken place? or is there currently not evidence to arrest for this, and maybe only "information" that warrents investigation? See how I find it confusing?

One of the early reports said that the Government hadnt been prepared to announce its report for another month, apparently had to go sooner because of the Essendon announcement. So we got a vaguely worded report with almost no substance and no action possible in any case because its only intel, and no actual evidence at this stage because the Bombers spooked the Feds. This announcement should never have been made.

The AFL has already said that it believes ALL clubs are vulnerable to illicit drugs, and I wouldnt be surprised if there was no public announcement ever on the matter. Its such a ridiculous thing to say in the first place. Hell pretty much all young people are somewhat vulnerable to drugs, not to mention the arguably larger threat of alcohol, and footballers are generally young people.

 

[Rocky_Star_Pro]

How are you completely innocent? There is an investigation underway, not sure how you know the result already.

Right now, as I type this, Essendon is innocent. This will change IF it is proved that we took PEDs and we will become guilty

 

[mattyflux]

thanks Matty, that a very clear explanation: removes most of the mystery for me: the one doubt remaining is in your middle paragraph starting.. "they announced the breaches...." How can they state them as breaches & expecting arrests if they need to do further drug tests/further investigations to establish them as breaches? .

In your last sentance I think you also kinda agree in that they shouldnt have gone public until they had enought evidence to start actually arresting people. Its this gap that creates confusion I think. If its open and shut enough to have a huge announcement and blitzkreig on all Australian sport...when are the arrests starting? IS the delay due to due process wihtin the local law enforcement agencies as they take over the cases? But surely that due process doesnt include re-testing for drugs? Hasnt that step already taken place? or is there currently not evidence to arrest for this, and maybe only "information" that warrents investigation? See how I find it confusing?

I think the big problem is the performance enhancing drugs they think have infiltrated elite sport don't have tests for them. On top of this the ACC don't do drug tests, that is the role of ASADA. So their investigation is centred around reciepts, phone taps, witness statements etc rather than drug tests. I guess it takes time for ASADA and the police to compile enough evidence to charge someone with trafficing PED's or taking PED's especially if no valid test is readily available. They have stated that there is a facility in Cologne in Germany that can test for the presence of these peptides that they are talking about, but who knows how long that will take. This whole issue is a lot more complicated than it appears. It even looks like a possibility that the peptides that the Bombers took (if they indeed took anything) could be so new that WADA have not even classified them as performance enhancing or not! Who knows what will happen if that's the case! But I definitely agree that the ACC jumped the gun and the song and dance was unnecessary.

 

[Seadog]

Tell me this.

Why do your own supporters attack you?

I'm confused, do they support him or attack him.