Nick Vlastuin v Jaeger O'Meara

[.Shotties.]

The point is Mitchell has been in the system it is the other boys first season.
Didn't think it was that hard to understand.

O'Meara was in the system last year. I don't get how inflating the age gap was supposed to convey that, but that's just me.

 

[doggies ftw]

Vlastuin looks good but I still don't think any clubs below would change their picks.

 

[Big One]

The point is Mitchell has been in the system it is the other boys first season.
Didn't think it was that hard to understand.

More or less the same as O'Meara?

 

[Mixed Results]

Vlastuin is a lot more damaging than Brad Sewell. I don't quite understand that comparision. If anything Vlastuin has shown great outside work so far in his 6 games and solid inside work. Whereas Sewell is very good inside the contest but you don't want him getting the ball on the outside. Vlastuin reminds me a lot more of Jimmy Bartel.

That classic BigFooty train of thought just because a young rookie has a great start they have limited upside always makes me laugh. May not become any better than he is now? Fair dinkum.

Isn't this proven to be true most of the time? using the 2007-2009 drafts and looking at midfielders who were high draft picks and played well early (18 touches a game in their first season)

2009:
Tom Scully - Decreased from first year form
Jack Trengove - Decreased from first year form
Dustin Martin - Improved
Jordan Gysberts - Massive decrease from first year form
Ryan Bastinac - slight improvement from first year

2008:
Daniel Rich - slight improvement

2007:

Rhys Palmer - Decreased from first year form

so 6/7 of the seven were young rookies who had a great starts and then stagnated or had limited improvement

 

[Roachy8]

Isn't this proven to be true most of the time? using the 2007-2009 drafts and looking at midfielders who were high draft picks and played well early (18 touches a game in their first season)

2009:
Tom Scully - Decreased from first year form
Jack Trengove - Decreased from first year form
Dustin Martin - Improved
Jordan Gysberts - Massive decrease from first year form
Ryan Bastinac - slight improvement from first year

2008:
Daniel Rich - slight improvement

2007:

Rhys Palmer - Decreased from first year form

so 6/7 of the seven were young rookies who had a great starts and then stagnated or had limited improvement

It's an interesting dynamic now with most high draft picks going to the 2 new clubs in the past few years.
Prior to that, high draftees would often enough slide onto the half back flank whilst more seasoned teammates copped the hard tags and attention elsewhere.
Now with GC & GWS over the past couple of years, guys like O'Meara have been in the fray from the get-go.

Sort of might explain why in previous years, some draftees rack up better number in their first year when perhaps flying under the radar a little whereas in subsequent years they feel the pinch.

Makes O'Meara's efforts this season all the more meritorious as does Camerons for GWS. (albeit 2nd year but he is getting the best defender week in week out.... kid is an absolute GUN!)

 

[Psicosis]

O'Meara is a class above.

 

[Bazzar]

O'Meara is a class above.

In what way.

 

[Psicosis]

In what way.

How can you possibly question that?

O'Meara is just about the best kid to come into the competition in the last 10 years. He was selected in the mini-draft, would have been every clubs clear number 1 in the 2012 draft... Vlatusin was number 9, would have been 10 had Jaeger been eligible.

Jaeger is superior in just about every facet of the game. Phenomenal foot skills and disposal, elite below his knees, great goal sense, when O'Meara has the ball time stands still. It's nothing negative on Vlastuin, you're just setting him up to lose by comparing him to a future superstar of the competition who is an easy favourite for the Rising Star and looks to be the most talented kid the competition has seen for a long time.

 

[Roachy8]

^^^^^^^^^
That's a fair rap!
Kid is a gun but you have him as the best player to hit the scene since.... well maybe ever!

 

[Psicosis]

^^^^^^^^^
That's a fair rap!
Kid is a gun but you have him as the best player to hit the scene since.... well maybe ever!

He's just better then Vlastuin. I know it's hard to comprehend as you obviously look through black and yellow glasses by even entertaining this thread, but it's obvious.

 

[Bazzar]

How can you possibly question that?

O'Meara is just about the best kid to come into the competition in the last 10 years. He was selected in the mini-draft, would have been every clubs clear number 1 in the 2012 draft... Vlatusin was number 9, would have been 10 had Jaeger been eligible.

Jaeger is superior in just about every facet of the game. Phenomenal foot skills and disposal, elite below his knees, great goal sense, when O'Meara has the ball time stands still. It's nothing negative on Vlastuin, you're just setting him up to lose by comparing him to a future superstar of the competition who is an easy favourite for the Rising Star and looks to be the most talented kid the competition has seen for a long time.

Are you talking about O`Meara, Vlastuin or both?

 

[Psicosis]

Are you talking about O`Meara, Vlastuin or both?

Vlastuin beneath O'Meara in every category

 

[Bazzar]

Vlastuin beneath O'Meara in every category

Obviously you havnt watched Vlastuin that much.

O`Meara is the class act and yes looks better, but the gap is very small. The way you are banging on its like a massive gap that will never be closed. Me thinks its more your dislike of Richmond that is clouding your judgement.

 

[doggies ftw]

Obviously you havnt watched Vlastuin that much.

O`Meara is the class act and yes looks better, but the gap is very small. The way you are banging on its like a massive gap that will never be closed. Me thinks its more your dislike of Richmond that is clouding your judgement.

I and most people would say that O'Meara is better now and has more upside, and there are also other draftees who have more upside too, Vlastuin is playing great but he was always going to come in and have an impact, I think Richmond supporters are getting a little too excited, he went where he should have gone IMO.

 

[Bazzar]

I and most people would say that O'Meara is better now and has more upside, and there are also other draftees who have more upside too, Vlastuin is playing great but he was always going to come in and have an impact, I think Richmond supporters are getting a little too excited, he went where he should have gone IMO.

What a crock of shit. Whats this "upside" and how do you measure it and can you explain it to me.

And why was he always going to have an impact? This will be interesting.

Just A look at career best so far -​

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O`Meara - Vlastuin​

11 games 6​

26 disp 25​

17 Kick 19​

16 H/ball 12​

5 mark 16​

2 goal 3​

9 tackle 6​

120 SC 141​

115 DT 131​

 

[Roachy8]

He's just better then Vlastuin. I know it's hard to comprehend as you obviously look through black and yellow glasses by even entertaining this thread, but it's obvious.

Steady there boss.... not everyone who posts on here is still looking for their first pube...
Have never claimed that Vlastuin beats O'Meara.... just brokering discussion on how they are travelling.
In fact have stated a number of times that O'Meara deserves to be rated as a strong number 1!
Take a look at average output per game however and you might see the gap is a lot closer than you think!

 

[premierpies13]

Wouldn't mind too much if he was playing at his ceiling already, a very handy contributor to the team and if he keeps playing to his current form/output, he'd hold his spot in the best 22.

Correct, my original post certainly was no dig.

If he holds his form and contributes as you said, that's all you can ask for

 

[premierpies13]

This makes no sense Sewell was a rookie listed player and improved his game little by little.
Vlaustin a very good player already - O'Meara just.
Both clubs would be very excited.

Facepalm*

I was more making the comparison that he will play good, consistent footy every week.

Without necessarily being a superstar.

Understand me now?

 

[DivideandMultiply]

What a crock of shit. Whats this "upside" and how do you measure it and can you explain it to me.

And why was he always going to have an impact? This will be interesting.

Not only is O'Meara more physically gifted, he also has more scope to grow into and exploit these traits.

He would be one of the quickest couple of players in the AFL, amazing agility and great vertical leap. When he develops more fully and learns how to utilise his physical gifts at AFL level he will be a sight to behold.

I honestly believe given his footballing ability and physical attributes he has Ablett or Judd like scope.

 

[Psicosis]

Steady there boss.... not everyone who posts on here is still looking for their first pube...
Have never claimed that Vlastuin beats O'Meara.... just brokering discussion on how they are travelling.
In fact have stated a number of times that O'Meara deserves to be rated as a strong number 1!
Take a look at average output per game however and you might see the gap is a lot closer than you think!

Disagree, the gap will be Ablett to Boyd

 

[Plugger_87]

Jaeger Bomb!!

 

[Power Raid]

who calls their kid jaeger?

 

[Zach Package]

more pertinent question is who votes for Vlastuin?

 

[Groupie_]

who calls their kid jaeger?

His parents were probably wasted on Jager bombs when they were making him

 

[Zach Package]

Vlastuin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any Eagles player under 20.

Strong irrelevance is strong