Bluemour Discussion Thread XIV - Facts Not Welcome

[Arr0w]

GC one of the clubs interested in 1. Possible trade could be 1 + next years first for 2+3 plus some other swaps. We'd then look at on trading 2+3 to the Adelaide clubs. Will depend on what the other clubs want to offer obviously, GC very interested in Walsh and aren't interested in mass picks from Adelaide due to their current draft hand.

Thanks for the info TCP

Are we considering trading our first next year, for either Setterfield or Martin, or a combination of both?

I would find that strange, if we are considering any of those options

 

[Soapy V]

If I had the choice I would chase Neale over Shiel. Not a criticism of Shiel but I reckon Neale is a gun. I just don't think we expected him to be available.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

GC one of the clubs interested in 1. Possible trade could be 1 + next years first for 2+3 plus some other swaps. We'd then look at on trading 2+3 to the Adelaide clubs. Will depend on what the other clubs want to offer obviously, GC very interested in Walsh and aren't interested in mass picks from Adelaide due to their current draft hand.

What the hell would we get for 2 and 3?

 

[ESKIE]

Gees I want Walsh

 

[footyfan1978]

is SOS playing the old 'you draft Walsh now with pick 1 but we'll trade for him in 3 years for a 2nd Rounder' trick with GC?

I doubt it. If we let Gold coast get Walsh he is gone for good. He is a guy that literally said the club that drafts me, has me for life. He meant it too. He is that type of character. So if we let Walsh go it is because with pick 2 and 3 we can get another gun with pick 2 and trade pick 3 to get probably pick 8 and 13 for pick 3 or something crazy desperate from Crows like that. Would not surprise one bit. Pick 2 we take best kid we rate behind Walsh and then pick 8 we possibly grab Smith and 13 another mid. I am ok with that type of strategy if it cost us giving up Walsh and next years 1st round pick only. We will get 3 gun kids rather than 2 gun kids. But have to think long and hard about it. Walsh is a super character you not just let go without really considering deeply.

 

[El Topo]

Good point although it doesn't sound like how SOS usually operates.

In years gone by he keeps all assets until the very end of trade week, planning it all out, then acting on it in the last 24 hours of trade week.

Would be a completely change of tactic to trade off assets for McGovern without an agreement in place with GWS, and just saying to GWS 'you have to take our future second it's all we got left'. Especially since Setterfield is contracted.

McGov deal needed to be done quickly before another club traded for Sydney's pick 13

 

[HARKER]

Going into next year, Kelly would be the last target on my list, better bang for your buck options, such as FA, the likes of Swallow, Coniglio, Cunningham, Wingard and a step down, Ellis, Haynes, Thomlinson etc

FREE!!!

I agree, but I feel there's more to it than that.

We're all obsessed about getting the best players, but not so much about the best fits.
One would have a pretty good argument about Kelly fitting into every team, but would he alone make the whole better? (Generalising here)

My take on things is to target players with specific traits for specific roles that are somewhat better than what you have...and then there's the TPP...the quality of the character and the fit for the club.

Setterfield seems like a perfect fit for our midfield, although I feel the mix would have been so much better with Shiel involved....but not to be.
(I also think that Shiel would have been better at our club than he will be at Essendon, as he'll be the first tagged there)
McGovern I'm not quite as sure about, but given the vision we must have for him, I'll be happy to be proved wrong.

I'd sooner Coniglio than Kelly and not just because he'd come for free. I feel he'd be the better fit.

 

[Arr0w]

Until the Shiel deal gets done, we will have to wait, for Setterfield

 

[tencentpiece]

What the hell would we get for 2 and 3?

A lot.

 

[Soapy V]

Thanks for the info TCP

Are we considering trading our first next year, for either Setterfield or Martin, or a combination of both?

I would find that strange, if we are considering any of those options

If we were there would have to be more to it. Next years first for Setterfield/Martin isn't worth it IMO

 

[dlb99]

GC one of the clubs interested in 1. Possible trade could be 1 + next years first for 2+3 plus some other swaps. We'd then look at on trading 2+3 to the Adelaide clubs. Will depend on what the other clubs want to offer obviously, GC very interested in Walsh and aren't interested in mass picks from Adelaide due to their current draft hand.

Why not keep 2&3 and just take Smith and Rankine?

 

[I bleed Blue]

GC one of the clubs interested in 1. Possible trade could be 1 + next years first for 2+3 plus some other swaps. We'd then look at on trading 2+3 to the Adelaide clubs. Will depend on what the other clubs want to offer obviously, GC very interested in Walsh and aren't interested in mass picks from Adelaide due to their current draft hand.

Very very interesting.

If we did that and turned them into a raft of first round picks and players SOS would want to nail the draft.

Could be a genius move or could blow up in our face.

Could well define our rebuild.

Personally I'd go for quality over quantity.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

So we end up trading all the way down to like pick 8? Geez we'd want some mayo on that deal. Missing out on the top 5 in this draft is a big fail.

No, we keep pick 2 and swap pick 3 to the best bidder out of Port, Crows and GWS.

 

[footyfan1978]

What the hell would we get for 2 and 3?

Neale and Luke Parker ?
Jack Steven and Neale ?
Who knows.
I prefer keep pick 2 and milk 3 for all it's worth. Create massive bidding war via picks and players if at all possible.

 

[I bleed Blue]

i think im probably luck then, what were they saying?

Just general ramblings.

There was talk of the Milky Way at one stage. And the way a basketball spins on a finger.

 

[Soapy V]

Gees I want Walsh

What's better Eskie?

Walsh or Smith & Lukosius as an example?

or get Smith in the draft and trade a pick for Neale?

 

[Arr0w]

Trading back makes sense, if you are adding players of need (fit), as you are shuffling back.

Things are heating up

 

[Soapy V]

Would people be happy if we traded

Pick One for 2 & 3 and landed Smith & Rankine

then Next years first round and landed

Martin Setterfield Finlayson & Tyson

and we still had 3-4 picks in the draft after this

 

[footyfan1978]

Ahh okay, TCP's post made it seem like we'd trade pick 2 and pick 3.

That may have been his view. Not sure but I'd guarantee if would get pick 2 and 3 we would be in no rush to move them on next. We would create a situation to decide what is next best then. Create a frenzy from other clubs to get desperate and bidding war. There is no way we get pick 2 and 3 and then just on trade for a whole bunch of picks between 8 and 20 and keep none of top 3 picks. But if clubs came at us for pick 2 and 3 for mature gun mids, that would be something to seriously consider too. Hence getting in position to get pick 2 and 3 first and then work out what best for us is more the approach, I would think.

 

[I bleed Blue]

Nek minute we end up with the king twins

 

[bendigoblues]

keep pick one. keep next years pick one.

trade in: nothing
Trade out: nothing

 

[ShanDog]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but please Gold Coast, don't be so stupid. That would be insane.

 

[slashin_velvet]

Will laugh if we end up with 2&3 - would likely be willing to give one of those for Shiel....gws would kick themselves

 

[footyfan1978]

Would people be happy if we traded

Pick One for 2 & 3 and landed Smith & Rankine

That ain't going to happen.
If we got pick 2 and 3 it is not for pick One only. Gold Coast are not that stupid. It would be from trading pick One plus our 2019 first rounder and we would probably get something else too from Gold Coast. That is why we would consider it. If it is realistic offer from Gold Coast we would seriously consider it. But as for pick 2 and 3 if we keep both for the draft. Smith and Rankine would be bloody nice. It is a good situation to get into if Suns offering.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

A lot.

I just can’t imagine they’d willing to part with the pieces that would make it worthwhile