For all the talk about Walsh (and I think he will be very good) Pick One is rarely the best player anyway. Other names like Smith Hately Lukosius Caldwell Rankine Rozee etc could be as good if not better. We simply don't know until they play at that level.
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For all the talk about Walsh (and I think he will be very good) Pick One is rarely the best player anyway. Other names like Smith Hately Lukosius Caldwell Rankine Rozee etc could be as good if not better. We simply don't know until they play at that level.
Agree Harks
This fascination with adding the best player in the league is staggering.
Bottom 6 players win flags, not one elite player
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I don't understand this.
If we're open to ditching Pick 1 and next year's first for 2 + 3, then on-trading 2 + 3 to the SA clubs for a bunch of other picks....why didn't we do it and get Shiel?
(GC) Pick 1 and future first for Picks 2 and 3.
(ADE) Pick 2 for Picks 8 and 13.
(PA) Pick 3 for Picks 10 and 11.
(STK) Picks 10 and 13 for Pick 4.
(GWS) Pick 8 and 11 for Shiel and Setterfield
Pick 4 = Smith
Pick 43 = ???
Pick 68 = BSOS
Give up next years first and Pick 1 for Pick 4 (Smith), Shiel and Setterfield.
Added to existing deals for McGovern and Fasolo.
I really don't understand the logic behind steadfastly holding onto Pick 1 in the Shiel negotiations...then trading it out a week later without another elite player on the table.
Not sure that playing at the GC has helped him too much.
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Maybe it would. It might unleash a Brad Crouch to us in their desperation for pic 3.
Would Crows be desperate enough to offer pick 8 and Brad Crouch for pick 3?
you bet the dopey pricks would...lol
Hmmmmm.........maybe, but you can't label 3 or 4 players as expendable assets then give them a nudge towards the exit door and tell them to explore their options, because you've got TPP issues and then refuse to deal with their club of choice. GWS created that situation, not us. In the overall scheme of things Setterfield won't be the highest priority on their list given the Shiel & Lobb deals are on the go. Freo are hard arses to deal with so GWS might be a little more receptive to SOS as the trade period wears on.
The good news is at least SOS has got the McGovern & Fasolo projects completed early and we don't need to worry about the distraction of Shiel any more. Leaves him perfectly placed to swoop on a silly offer for Pick 1 should it eventuate and/or find other players/picks with our future selections.
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Probably because Gold Coast have only shown interest in doing it, not that they are wanting to do it.
Not according to the club. So that's what I'm going with. Money side will be fine
I agree, but I still think that Shiel wanted to play for a contender (finals/flag), from day one.
BSOS is not a certainty. Jack was more certain than Ben.
Maybe it wasn't our decision in the end that led Shiel to the Bombers?
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I think we'll be keeping 1 for Walsh. But...
2018 #1 and 2019 #1-4 for 2018 #2 and #3, I'd do in a heartbeat.
Smith + Rankine. Put Rankine on the half forward line, Smith in the centre and this trade + draft period is A+.
I don't see this happening though. If you're GC, you take Lukosius and Rankine/Rozee at picks #2 and #3 this year. No point risking the uncertainty of a 2019 pick from us, especially if we actually win 6 games.
If we trade pick #1, it will be to Adelaide or Port.
2018 #1 and 2019 #1-4 for 2018 #2 and #3, I'd do in a heartbeat.
Smith + Rankine. Put Rankine on the half forward line, Smith in the centre and this trade + draft period is A+.
I don't see this happening though. If you're GC, you take Lukosius and Rankine/Rozee at picks #2 and #3 this year. No point risking the uncertainty of a 2019 pick from us, especially if we actually win 6 games.
If we trade pick #1, it will be to Adelaide or Port.
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Absolutely fearless move
All or nothing
You'd need to hit on every pick, if we don't and Walsh becomes a star we loose badley.
Bringing in more kids would also lock us into a bottom 4 finish next year, with no draft pick...
I know someone whose son plays with Ben, so has watched him for a while. He reckons he is no certainty and confirmed the other stuff re desire.
With this crazy trade hypothetical, I would hope SOS has a deal in place for 2 and 3 before pulling the trigger. If we end up taking them to the draft, I would rather keep 1 and 2019 pick, which is still likely to be top 5.
With this crazy trade hypothetical, I would hope SOS has a deal in place for 2 and 3 before pulling the trigger. If we end up taking them to the draft, I would rather keep 1 and 2019 pick, which is still likely to be top 5.
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We can use next year's equivalent pick
It's still a good position to have pick 1 and next year's first (let's face it... it's gonna be early). So the "do nothing" option remains a good one.
The fly in the ointment is Setterfield, because I am sure we really want him - he fits age, needs profile beautifully - provided we can pay a market-appropriate price for him. This is a guy who has barely got on the field in 2-3 years (but looks a million bucks when he does). So something has to give.
At pick 1, from all reports, Walsh is a no-brainer. Not because he's far and away the best player, but because he's as "can't miss" as any prospect, and I think also the intangibles of leadership, competitiveness that would really stiffen up our midfield group at it grows together. We definitely want him.
Which means trading out of pick 1 is not to be done lightly, but COULD be a brilliant move. If we could stay high in the draft, pick Rankine or the next best mid, AND secure something else complimentary, I think that's SOS splitting his aces and is just good business. Stay in the draft raffle for young talent whilst also adding something "certain".
All OK so far, but we haven't done anything about the midfield, so will be pretty interesting to see what happens next.
The fly in the ointment is Setterfield, because I am sure we really want him - he fits age, needs profile beautifully - provided we can pay a market-appropriate price for him. This is a guy who has barely got on the field in 2-3 years (but looks a million bucks when he does). So something has to give.
At pick 1, from all reports, Walsh is a no-brainer. Not because he's far and away the best player, but because he's as "can't miss" as any prospect, and I think also the intangibles of leadership, competitiveness that would really stiffen up our midfield group at it grows together. We definitely want him.
Which means trading out of pick 1 is not to be done lightly, but COULD be a brilliant move. If we could stay high in the draft, pick Rankine or the next best mid, AND secure something else complimentary, I think that's SOS splitting his aces and is just good business. Stay in the draft raffle for young talent whilst also adding something "certain".
All OK so far, but we haven't done anything about the midfield, so will be pretty interesting to see what happens next.
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We have enough elite players in the making, adding multiple players to the 6-12 range is more important than just 1 in the top 3
Neale easily the better of the two for me
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Seems to me that McGovern now done sends the message we will take Walsh and not Lukosius. And that would have all sorts of panic deals coming in for pick 1. Personally I imagine SOS won't even blink for the kind of thing that the GC rumour offers.
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I was about to make the same point. Makes no sense to now turn and trade pick 1, when we could have organised this during the Shiel negotiations. As per ITK posters, believe this years pick 1 isn’t going anywhere.
I just can't see any of this playing out - neither the GC piece, nor the SA clubs having anything to offer that would justify us being involved in these shenanigans.
Would only work if an A-grader was inclined to join us, and sadly, I just don't see that happening at this stage.
Would only work if an A-grader was inclined to join us, and sadly, I just don't see that happening at this stage.
Pick 2&3 to the Giants for Kelly and Setterfield?
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