Remove this Banner Ad

List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Status
Not open for further replies.
Murdoch on three years is right up there with Lemmens and Schoenfeld on three years. I don't get it. I can only guess that his salary is average at best. I still think he'd be an upgrade on someone like Lemmens as a pressure forward. If he turns out to be no good in two years then we can dump him without much to pay out on.

I like the idea of Freeman and am keen to see how he goes with a run at it. Seemed to have overcome a lot of his issues the year just gone, but will need to transform himself into a different player obviously. Watching some VFL highlights of him this year and his hands are still very good. Short and sharp releasing handballs. Can still cover the ground but obviously can't burst from the pack anymore. Maybe we will play him wing?
 
Last edited:

Log in to remove this Banner Ad

I don't think it is wise to signed up Freeman before Pre season and Rookie Draft , why waste a senior list spot for just 1 year.
 
Jordan Murdoch has completed 7 seasons on Geelong's list, but because he was delisted he is now an Unrestricted Free Agent. I mention this because my reading of the rules is that Murdoch becomes a non-free agent for the duration of his contract until he has reached 10 years of total service, thus a 3 year deal is what the media interpret the Suns will use to lure Murdoch to the Gold Coast and keep him here. A 1 year contract isn't really feasible and nobody expects 4 years, so it will be either 2 or 3 years. If it is 2 years and he wants out then he can walk with no compo at the end of 2020 as an Unrestricted Free Agent.

I realise this sounds a bit obvious, but given Sam McClure is just speculating it is worth going thought process. The same Sam McClure who declared on Trade Radio last month that contracts are meaningless. I will also add that in researching the legal precedent we can blame Nick Stevens, Chris Judd, Ryan O'Keefe, Luke Ball, GWS and the Gold Coast Suns for giving the AFL Players Association enough contractual ammo to force restriction of trade bullshit onto the CBA.
 
17er said:
What SandyToes and I agreed on was that it should reflect a player's first contract. What does Max Spencer do now? I presume he hasn't finished Uni or got a trade yet, but with a 4 year contract he might have finished and potentially he ready for life after AFL footy. Do you know if Jesse Lonergan completed a qualification? I bet nobody told him he'd be without a club after 6 years when he was drafted in the first round.

I'm not at all surprised that players at the club are studying, but compared with the Swans and GWS we're not as integrated with a University as them. The Swans had 3 U19 Academy players sign up with Sydney Uni's NEAFL team this week and GWS have Academy players in UWS and Canberra Demons. Perhaps the Suns Academy should be doing something with graduating 19 years olds overlooked in two National Drafts by enrolling them at Griffith and signing with Southport to ensure they can continue playing NEAFL and getting an education - of course those who aren't selected at NEAFL level would revert to their original QAFL club.
Click to expand...
Most of these guys only do 1 or 2 courses a year. Jesse just did a first year business course earlier this year.
FYI Tom wasn't very far through his studies either but it didn't stop him
 
SunsGal said:
Most of these guys only do 1 or 2 courses a year. Jesse just did a first year business course earlier this year.
FYI Tom wasn't very far through his studies either but it didn't stop him
Click to expand...
Maybe Jesse will end up being a player scout or player agent? I bet he's seen Moneyball a few times too.
Doesn't surprise me about Tom. I actually wonder if any of the wantaways studied? If they didn't, why not and would it have been less isolating?
 
17er said:
Jordan Murdoch has completed 7 seasons on Geelong's list, but because he was delisted he is now an Unrestricted Free Agent. I mention this because my reading of the rules is that Murdoch becomes a non-free agent for the duration of his contract until he has reached 10 years of total service, thus a 3 year deal is what the media interpret the Suns will use to lure Murdoch to the Gold Coast and keep him here. A 1 year contract isn't really feasible and nobody expects 4 years, so it will be either 2 or 3 years. If it is 2 years and he wants out then he can walk with no compo at the end of 2020 as an Unrestricted Free Agent.

I realise this sounds a bit obvious, but given Sam McClure is just speculating it is worth going thought process. The same Sam McClure who declared on Trade Radio last month that contracts are meaningless. I will also add that in researching the legal precedent we can blame Nick Stevens, Chris Judd, Ryan O'Keefe, Luke Ball, GWS and the Gold Coast Suns for giving the AFL Players Association enough contractual ammo to force restriction of trade bullshit onto the CBA.
Click to expand...
Unless he majorly improved which is highly unlikely he would draw the lowest possible compo
If he walked out
. Surely were not giving him an extra year just so we could get a ?4th round pick for him in 2021 if he leaves
 
thurls64 said:
you would think a Whitecross or Cheney down back would be a better bet than Rischa going round another year or Leslie - I know Whitecross has done a deal to go to Norf coaching and playing VFL but thought he had a year or two left in him
Click to expand...
Whitecross wasn't interested in us
 
If Murdoch wants to pull on a Sun's guernsey then welcome aboard. Much better clubman than Aaron Hall and fits our lists needs better than Jesse Lonergan. At this point if the club has managed to get a player in from another club on reasonable money I'll call that a win
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Heard that on the weekend both Saints and Suns were doing their due diligence with Geelong. The person they spoke to gave an honest assessment and were told that Murdoch wasn't really their cup of tea.

The person I spoke to said that one of the issues were that Murdoch was always worried about getting dropped each week and may have impacted on his play. If he got a fair run of it and felt cemented in the best 22 with a defined role he might be in a better head space to produce better than what has been seen to date.

On [device_name] using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
17er said:
Maybe Jesse will end up being a player scout or player agent? I bet he's seen Moneyball a few times too.
Doesn't surprise me about Tom. I actually wonder if any of the wantaways studied? If they didn't, why not and would it have been less isolating?
Click to expand...

Most, if not all players will undertake some kind of study or set themselves up to do a trade after their careers finish. Between their families, agents, and club welfare departments most kids coming in are encouraged to pursue something outside of football because they know this won’t last forever and they may need something to fall back on, even if it is a half-finished business degree they can go finish.

I can’t remember if it was the Suns or another club, but I remember seeing an interview with the welfare team of a club here they said they make all players take a further education course be it a degree, real-estate course, pt, etc. or some kind of out of football activity to diversify themselves and partially like you say to make more connections in a new city.

I remember in the early years Tom Nicholls, Goringe, May and I think Lynch were all in the same uni class together which would’ve helped them bond as well. I don’t know how much work would’ve got done though.
 
Old Sol said:
If Murdoch wants to pull on a Sun's guernsey then welcome aboard. Much better clubman than Aaron Hall and fits our lists needs better than Jesse Lonergan. At this point if the club has managed to get a player in from another club on reasonable money I'll call that a win
Click to expand...
He’s been a really good home & away player and just struggles a bit with the extra heat that finals bring. He’s played in 4-5 different finals series but with the Cats getting knocked out of each one, his finals games are magnified.
I think he’ll be given a role off half back rebounding and distributing. That would suit him.
Quality bloke who is in that right age group now for our rebuild & the first of 4 South Aussies to join us! ;)
 
Gee I think I’d rather just take a draftee than Murdoch to be honest. Pretty average player. Doesn’t find much of it and butchers it when he does. The upside of any draftee would be better.

Huge pass
 
Draftees in the 70- 80+ range could be a lot worse than Murdoch . At least Murdoch know what to do in AFL Pre season .
 
gcsunsfc said:
Unless he majorly improved which is highly unlikely he would draw the lowest possible compo
If he walked out
. Surely were not giving him an extra year just so we could get a ?4th round pick for him in 2021 if he leaves
Click to expand...
No, I'm suggesting that management may actually rate him as a player and want to have control over how long he plays for us and how much he gets. If he played 2 seasons and made the top 10 in the B&F both years, suddenly his salary demands would go up for the 3rd year if he wasn't contracted. Alternatively, if he's hot garbage he can be farmed out to the Rookie list. Remember that the 3 year figure is according to Sam McClure and that he is the only journo running with the story.

I'm seeing a lot of negativity about this guy, yet he meets the requirements of the list with his height, pace, experience, hard body and positional play. He is durable, hasn't missed a lot of footy through injury playing 108 senior games and 30 odd VFL in 7 seasons including 6 finals. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he's smart too given that his wife is a lawyer. He is a low risk, high gain proposition coming from a club that demands loyalty and excellence. Oh, and he's a South Australian. Giddy up!
 

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

17er said:
Oh, and he's a South Australian. Giddy up!
Click to expand...

I think we've found the sweet spot here for minimising go home factor
It's not zero, but I reckon less than all the other traditional footballing states
Tasmania is always a stretch because they link very closely to Victoria
Western Australia on the other hand is basically a different country , they do things differently there
But never underestimate the animus a Croweater feels for Victoria and vice versa
And the delight some of those young lads must have at escaping #shitadelaide must be huge
 
I don't think it matters whether Murdoch is better or worse than guys we've delisted
The most important thing is that he will be Dew's player
That's the play here
There's still a couple with question marks over their heads(Brodie/Martin) for next year but really you have to think this core is good for another 5 years
If Dew fails he knows it won't be because he wasn't given carte blanche to gut the playing list
 
barberbarbarian said:
The upside of any draftee would be better.

Huge pass
Click to expand...
Draftees aren't all upside - and most won't make it anywhere near achieving the potential they have.
Unless this is the first year in history that all 18 year olds have elite attributes, no downside, mature bodies and the fortitude required to play over 100 games of AFL, then Im much happier picking up DFAs that are ready to play and know themselves and how they can contribute to our club.
 
I would much rather a proven 100 game afl player with good character from a good club than a pick 50+ in the draft. I don’t know what the knock on Murdoch being a hack is from it was posted above his disposal efficiency as 70+% this year. He would be an improvement on probably a third to half of our list


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
Old Sol said:
Draftees aren't all upside - and most won't make it anywhere near achieving the potential they have.
Unless this is the first year in history that all 18 year olds have elite attributes, no downside, mature bodies and the fortitude required to play over 100 games of AFL, then Im much happier picking up DFAs that are ready to play and know themselves and how they can contribute to our club.
Click to expand...
Murdoch is a known quantity. He’s a massive downhill skier and he butchers the ball a lot. We aren’t going to improve with him in the team, and if he’s going to play NEAFL then I’d rather have a draftee who at least has development potential to be better.
 
All the best for Murdoch with you.

Assets -
- Elite speed
- strong mature body and really hard tackler - will hurt some
- good left foot, can kick 50m
- on good days can cadge multiple goals

Problems
- lacks confidence and is panicky
- very little football nous.

If you can address the first issue you have a good one.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Remove this Banner Ad

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Back
Top