List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread (cont. in Part 2)

[Arr0w]

Yeah undeniably. Just don’t see it happening. Expanding my list I don’t think I even have smith in the top 7... I don’t mind trading for extra top end picks. Just really don’t see it happening. I’m sure sos would jump on 3 and 6. Doubt it’s really on the table.

I agree and you would say our 1st next year would need to be part of the deal, along with a 3rd club being involved.

I know many don't have Smith in the top 6, but many have him as the best mid in this draft.

I think the top 8 will pick themselves, the order is the most interesting aspect

 

[Blubagger71]

If umpires also knew the HTB and incorrect disposal rules, then there’d be less stoppages. I don’t think “he tried to kick” is in the game’s charter.


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Was when I was a kid! More at stake at this level so, pay the damn kick and open up the game!

 

[ferrisb]

Was looking through some Walsh footage earlier and something that stood out to me was his reaction time, and even more so his recovery time within a contest.
To me it seemed when he lost his footing, the ball bounced the wrong way, he was outbodied or something else negatively for that matter, he was by far the quickest to recover in the contest and win it or at least impact it.

In footage I've seen of Walsh...whenever he makes a mistake, gets spoiled etc the next play inevitably involves him maniacally throwing himself at the contest to make up for it.

It's like watching repeats of Harmes chasing his own errant kick.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

The Connor Rozee connection makes sense.

Silvagni was a big wrap for Will Heywood and would have taken him with Pick 13 (on offer from the Crows as part of the original Gibbs deal) back in 2016.

Rozee IMO plays a very similar game to Heywood.

 

[Eiffel 65]

The Connor Rozee connection makes sense.

Silvagni was a big wrap for Will Heywood and would have taken him with Pick 13 (on offer from the Crows as part of the original Gibbs deal) back in 2016.

Rozee IMO plays a very similar game to Heywood.

Rozee has more potential to run through the middle.

 

[Jimmae]

Biggest damper to congestion would be umpires not waiting 20 seconds for all the players to arrive before a ball up.

Second biggest change to stop congestion is get rid of the nomination for ruck. You’d remove another few seconds it gives players to get to the stoppage.

I mean seriously. Just penalise a team if more than one goes up for the contest. Who gives a **** about nominating. It adds nothing.

This rule has already been changed, with this being done only at the umpire's discretion.

 

[BlueTang]

Maybe this is a ploy to get the Adel clubs to bring some offers for no.1 if they think we will take Luko at 1 ?

 

[RoyalParade]

Maybe this is a ploy to get the Adel clubs to bring some offers for no.1 if they think we will take Luko at 1 ?

Yes it was done very publically and on purpose for all to see.

However I'm thinking if this deal is to work it would more likely be 1 and next year's first for 2, 3 and lions first rounder in 2019 or a future 2nd.

 

[Old navy]

So would I, but just looking at it from another angle.
The main issue with our list as far as we can see, is that it's young.

The holes we may see now, may not be there tomorrow if the likes of Pickett, Lang, Garlett etc step up and then we may think we have the talls covered in the forward half and McKay may choose to lay an egg on all that.

We just can't be sure of what's going to work and what isn't, but if I was forced to nominate a part of the ground I'm most worried about, it would the forward-line

Agree we aren’t as bare in the midfield as what the media and some people suggest, but there is a massive hole up forward, we desperately need an elite level goal kicking small forward, Pickett and Garlett could become guns, but both suited to play on a wing, can’t see either of them being capable of having 40-50 goals seasons, lucky for us there is a South Australian kid available in this years draft that is absolutely electric up forward, all we have to do is play our cards right.

 

[BlueTang]

Yes it was done very publically and on purpose for all to see.

However I'm thinking if this deal is to work it would more likely be 1 and next year's first for 2, 3 and lions first rounder in 2019 or a future 2nd.

I’d do that deal! Then trade 2 for Ports 5 & future 1st. = 3,5 and 2 future 1st. To dream....

 

[The Smoking Gun]

If you keep saying that i'm sure it's going to get funnier on every round. It's already hilarious.
Seriously though, what does that even mean and what are you getting at?

Is SOS a fanboy also? What about the everyone else that rates Walsh? Settle down Smith fanboy. Don't be too upset if we don't get "the best player in the draft"

Well judging by your reaction the post was pretty much spot on........and just for the record I don't ever remember posting anywhere I wouldn't be happy if we took Walsh. I just said he was vanilla......he's still vanilla.......and as far as I'm concerned he's also got very limited upside. That's not to say Walsh won't end up being a very good player, but will he be the best player???

All that you can really do with him is whack him in the gym to put 10kg on him and hope in 3 years time he can repeat at AFL level what he's done at U18 level. I don't see too many areas of his game that you can grow and expand. In that regard, I don't see him as being a lot different from McGrath. The reality is that those with genuine upside to grow and expand their game such as Rankine, Rozee and Smith will probably have well and truly sailed past him at the end of those 3 years. Fair chance that Fisher will have sailed past McGrath come the end of his third year and he was taken when???

Too many people in this thread try and create some Grand Canyon-sized chasm between Walsh and everyone else to justify their choice. That chasm simply doesn't exist, especially once I factor in upside. Yes Walsh might have a higher floor than Rankine, Rozee, Smith or Hately, but that's not what drafting is about is it??? Drafting is not about the here and now. It's about projecting where the ceiling will be on the here and now when it matures and estimating how long that maturing may take. Having said that, Rozee may not prove to be anything more than a handy flanker, Rankine may prove to be a spectacular bust, Smith & Walsh end up as good-average footballers, while Hately ends up better than Wines and retires a dual Brownlow Medallist and triple Premiership Player.

Is SOS a fanboy also?

Doubt SOS ever settled on him. Reckon he's been quietly sitting back with Brodie and Agresta, smoking their peace pipes, watching the stack of offers grow at an ever increasing rate. If we had a balanced list, which we don't, but if we did, then I reckon all of Lukosius, Rankine, Max King, Bailey Smith & Sam Walsh would be a chance to go No.1.

"the best player in the draft"

If you could be sure his mind's right, that'd be Rankine. Would he be the best fit for a club where their "Culture" & "Leadership" is still a work in progress??? That's entirely another debate.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

Really though? Needed?

You've got an ignore button. Make use of it.

 

[Arr0w]

Enjoying the rumour, of adding Lukosius and Rozee, improves our field kicking dramatically/instantly

 

[bmaurizio]

Enjoying the rumour, of adding Lukosius and Rozee, improves our field kicking dramatically/instantly

About as good as it gets, both have a great kicking action, it would be a dream come true.
Too good to be true unfortunately, I’d be estatic if we snared these two players for pick 1 and perhaps future 1st too if it gives a shot at Bailey Williams and Tom Lewis too.

 

[Old navy]

I’d do that deal! Then trade 2 for Ports 5 & future 1st. = 3,5 and 2 future 1st. To dream....

This could be SOS’s draft day the movie moment, turning pick one into 3 first round picks lol, my dream trade would be pick 1 plus furture 1st and future 3rd to GSC for picks 2,3 and 29
Then trade pick 3 to Crows for pick 8, 16 plus plus future 2nd
Or Port for pick 10, 15 plus future 2nd or pick 5 and future first
AFL would surly allow us to trade out our 2019 first, if we have say pick 2,8,16 and 29 in 2018.
The way the stars have aligned this year and with us being in pole position we have the chance to really shape the draft to best suit us, time for SOS to go into full god mode.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I really hope we dont take a King if we trade pick 1.

 

[bmaurizio]

I really hope we dont take a King if we trade pick 1.

Silvagni does like his talls so if pick 1 is traded it may be Max King at pick 3 and Bailey Smith at pick 6.
Wouldn’t dislike that outcome both will be jets.

 

[BlueTang]

This could be SOS’s draft day the movie moment, turning pick one into 3 first round picks lol, my dream trade would be pick 1 plus furture 1st and future 3rd to GSC for picks 2,3 and 29
Then trade pick 3 to Crows for pick 8, 16 plus plus future 2nd
Or Port for pick 10, 15 plus future 2nd or pick 5 and future first
AFL would surly allow us to trade out our 2019 first, if we have say pick 2,8,16 and 29 in 2018.
The way the stars have aligned this year and with us being in pole position we have the chance to really shape the draft to best suit us, time for SOS to go into full god mode.

IMO, SOS would be looking to clubs willing to pay overs that are desperate so he would only accept future 1st’s, involved in the trade, that way if they chase a big fish there is decent currency to move next year. Even if they are picks 12 and 14. They are still spoken about as first round picks...

 

[Sheephead]

Sorry, but I’m loving this. Aph throws in the smoke grenade and this place, including some highly rated posters, lose their shit. Some ‘other’ posters, have kittens and the claws come out.

If the rumour is true, it’s as I said, because GCS want Walsh, as I’ve been saying for a good month. Those that are in love with the lad, should feel vindicated, it shows others think he’s the best option.

The rumour indicates for 2 South Australians does it not. So I’d say it’s Lukozade and Rankine or Rozee if Port take Rankine. It was pointed out to me last week that there was dialogue about Rankine and Blues being connected through year - couldn’t find it though. Any combination would be very good. But I can see ADE and PA coming hard if we have 6 and Rozee or Rankine are still on the board.

 

[footyfan1978]

Of course you do but he’s the obvious choice for me in the interim (next year) if Fasolo comes up short it could be a real problem

Ok. Glad you cleared that up. Was confusing when first read it browsing in draft thread.
Yes, we do indeed still need to draft small forwards. Dale Thomas has no effect either way on our draft coming up.
Hopefully younger players develop so well in 2019 season he is pushed out to be a leader for our VFL team as season goes on. If he holds his place in best 22 throughout season with performing well, I am very ok with that. Where he plays not sure.

As for our small forwards for next decade Kym LeBois is our only long term specialist for such a role. He is one of the injured guys from last two years I have high hopes for a year without injury allows he to really show what he can do. I guess Pickett is other option but kind of think Pickett could be more a wingman than small forward. But if no one bobs up he might have to settle there.
If we did not trade to get Mitch McGovern we would have had a pick between 1 and 60's to draft one this draft period too.
Maybe there is one to come via rookie draft but seems more and more rookie list becoming a back up list and no longer really a draft tool it started out as.

 

[footyfan1978]

I hope congestion remains bad. Steve Hocking's rules are like painting the toenails of an elephant.

Hopefully the AFL are then forced to reduce interchange from 90 to 45. Yes, I agree with KB.

Sam Walsh then becomes untaggable in 2nd halfs since he is the Energiser Bunny.

Cannot agree with HOPING congestion stays bad but the "game adjustments" are not really addressing the core issue of interchange mess so I really think we will see minimal improvement and even possibly some bad effects of sides trying to avoid giving up kick outs from behinds but the congestion that ingrained for last decade and a bit more is not going anywhere whilst the bench is used as a rotation tool it was never meant for.
Even 45 would still actually be too much to really eradicate rotations. But if 45 was just a first step to get it to normal interchange use over a few years it would be a great thing to see happen in two or three years once they realise these game adjustments barely touch the congestion issue.

On KB, he actually wants it at zero like it was when he first started playing himself.

 

[Toddski]

Yes please to Connor Rozee.

Kid is an absolute jet!

 

[footyfan1978]

Great work by Carlton to leak that!

Mess with the minds of Crows, Port and Saints. Gotta love that.
Can only work in our favour with those clubs uncertain on our plans.
If we were to do any deal, the best outcome is to have two or three clubs wanting to get involved.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Pick one for picks 3 and 6?

Now we're talking!

Have always said I would be more than happy to see Walsh in navy blue but have also said trading pick one for the right offer makes a hell of a lot of sense.

Two picks inside the top 6 of this draft is the right offer and leaves us with an incredibly strong draft hand.

I'm not convinced we'd take Lukosius and Rozee but clearly that would be one of a number of very positive outcomes come draft day.

Still think ultimately we will take pick one to the draft but if we did a move like this it could really give us a significant boost along the rebuild. Pull the trigger Blues!

You’d think that if we get 3 and 6, and Port has Pick 5, that Adelaide would go very hard for Pick 3, and if they miss out on 3 (and 4 and 5), then for Pick 6.

 

[johnchef]

With SEN reporting Pick 1 for 3 & 6 is on the cards, current top 10 for me looks like this:
1. Walsh (GC)
2. Luko (GC)
3. Rankine (CARL)
4. Max King (STK)
5. Rozee (PA)
6. Smith (CARL)
7. Blakey (SYD match WB bid)
8. Caldwell (WB)
9. Jackson Hately (ADEL)
10. Ben King/Caldwell (GWS)
Would be great to get Rozee and Rankine but I can’t see Rozee slipping past PA especially if Luko and Rankine are taken at 2 & 3. Come on SOS! Give us our Draft Day moment!