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Opts said:
Labor penalises success and rewards failure. Their philosophy is in line with their socialistism beliefs.

This is what political parties with zero fiscal knowledge do.

Instead of creating an environment that encourages the economy to flourish and thereby encouraging spending, creating jobs, promoting investment, etc, Labor simply increases taxes against those who advance our economy so that they can appease their voters who are lazy and expect the state to support and assist them.

This is indisputable. Labour hasn't delivered a surplus for 30 years. For those who vote Labor or Greens a surplus is the opposite of a LOSS.
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I'm going to presume the poster who refers to socialism as socialistism probably knows less than nothing about socialism.
 
CM86 said:
Except that the Labor party created a stronger economy during the GFC, than the Liberal party did during what should have been our strongest growing economy.
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Wow! I think I've heard it all now.
 

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And while I'm at it. Buy the smallest tin of coffee beans at Merlo. 200g gets you at least two coffees a day for the week for 10 or 11 bucks if you return the tin. Bonus is you get a free coffee as well. Go the biggest one (bout $6 worth) and make sure you get seen with a trendy cafe coffee in hand. You can even go all out and buy some trendy branded disposable coffee cups for about $8 for 50. Live the cafe life at a fraction of the cost.
 
I spent 2 months on Newstart back in early 2017 after a job I was in didn't work out as expected.
It was pretty brutal to try and budget that small amount of money to cover expenses as basic as rent, food and various bills (like loan repayments, phone bill, stuff for my daughter)
I was lucky in that I had some savings before the job event happened and a good support network of family and friends who could help me out as well.

If I didn't have that support network (family and friends) I would have been totally and utterly screwed.
Newstart alone is nowhere near enough money to live a fairly basic life. I also indulged in absolutely no luxuries during that time as well (no alcohol, no going out etc etc) I could simply not imagine living your life on Newstart or any other government pension/payment for a significant amount of time!

Strangely enough though I did get laid a lot from various women (friends of friends) while being unemployed LOL not sure how that tracks but whatever haha

I did apply for about 110 jobs during that time as well so I wasn't one of those people sitting around doing nothing either!

It definitely does need to be raised to a more acceptable level (I personally prefer a UBI system but that's obviously a whole other discussion)
But on the flipside governments probably don't care about the vote of people near the bottom of the socio-economic scale of things (or homeless folk on Newstart or similar situations - I've encountered a few people who have been in that situation in a previous job I worked in)
 
I was on newstart for 2 years.
Ita bloody hard.
I budgeted for the month, which allowed me 1 day each month to do as I wanted (pub, cafe etc)
I hated newstart, because I desperately wanted a job, and was stuck between several agencies. You worry ridiculously about if you will have work each day.

Of corse, im in the minority though. That 2 years I saw so many people who just didn't care, so I understand why the payments are so low
 

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I get that these payments are meant to ensure you can eat and have a roof over your head while you look for work, but surely it's not sustainable for the majority of people. I particularly feel for those who have significant financial commitments like a mortgage who might have already been doing it tough.
 
herculez09 said:
Does anyone here actually know many living on Newstart because they're too lazy to get a job?

I've never met anyone with that disposition other than dealers.
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There were plenty i saw when i worked at the Sunshine Centrelink... But they may also have fallen into the dealers category
 
Having been on Newstart for a long time - no longer now - I can tell you precisely where my money went; rent, food, petrol, internet, car insurance and electricity. Had to choose between going to uni or eating some weeks, because I couldn't afford the petrol/bus fare to get there. I hadn't bought clothing since my early 20's. I hadn't eaten anything beside the cheapest stuff I could find for about 4 years. My car dramatically needed a service which I couldn't pay for; I had a second hand phone which turns on and off at a moment's notice.

People have even now tried to tell me how easy dole bludgers have it. I've never met any dole bludger who'd prefer it to having a job. It is hell, living on the newstart, and it's pretty clear to me that the majority of those who criticise those who have haven't ever met anyone who does, or if they have those people never said anything.
 
This should be the government's first priority. It's vindictive to force people to live on this when there is so much unearned, high standard living going on. From an economic POV, that money is getting spent as soon as it hits bank accounts.

So much of the unemployment industry is designed to not get people jobs. The agencies are a joke. The process traps people into a cycle of maintaining compliance rather than developing skills and finding stuff.

The Greens want to increase it from $273 to $350. It's modest, but it would take so much heat off.

Conservatives are winning lots of the political culture wars (PC gone mad type nonsense, Labor will make your kid trans, you will get sacked if you say 'mother') but only because they know it gets plenty of battling people on side for those issues, not the guts of what politics should be. The Murdoch media does this very well.
 
Soft Downhill Skier said:
This should be the government's first priority. It's vindictive to force people to live on this when there is so much unearned, high standard living going on. From an economic POV, that money is getting spent as soon as it hits bank accounts.

So much of the unemployment industry is designed to not get people jobs. The agencies are a joke. The process traps people into a cycle of maintaining compliance rather than developing skills and finding stuff.

The Greens want to increase it from $273 to $350. It's modest, but it would take so much heat off.

Conservatives are winning lots of the political culture wars (PC gone mad type nonsense, Labor will make your kid trans, you will get sacked if you say 'mother') but only because they know it gets plenty of battling people on side for those issues, not the guts of what politics should be. The Murdoch media does this very well.
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This.

According to the actual rules, as a full time student I should not have done work for the dole, nor should I have needed to apply for 20 jobs a month. In actuality, the job agencies I attended both sought to have me drop my degree, with one person telling me that I couldn't attend classes this trimester as I needed to be at my activity or my payment would be cut. That I became aware of my rights is entirely due to an idle google search and a call to the unemployed workers union, after which I negotiated my hours for WFTD down and my jobs applied per month; although, I obtained 2 jobs all of a month later, so it was a case of a little late for me.

The way i see it, they have quotas to fill and people to sort through, often too many. Their job is made harder by the fact that employers do not want people who are on the dole working for them; they see them as the no-hopers, the lazy, the unqualified or the unemployable. And the situation is hardly worthwhile for the employers, either; most of the time, there simply are not enough jobs to go around, so you find yourself applying for jobs you know you aren't going to get or are not qualified for on the pretext of getting your jobs quota to 20. They then have to hire an agency to sort through the pile of applications, 80% of which are from people on the dole; some of whom may be employable, but how are they to know?

The current status quo is shocking for everyone involved, and it twists people who genuinely want to help others into trying to get their quotas up, bogs employers down in piles of unnecessary work, and keeps the lives of the jobless on the edge of a knife.
 
Soft Downhill Skier said:
This should be the government's first priority. It's vindictive to force people to live on this when there is so much unearned, high standard living going on. From an economic POV, that money is getting spent as soon as it hits bank accounts.
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There's 300,000 jobs available right now, forced? LOL. Anyone got a Violin?

Soft Downhill Skier said:
So much of the unemployment industry is designed to not get people jobs. The agencies are a joke. The process traps people into a cycle of maintaining compliance rather than developing skills and finding stuff.
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Bnllshit.

Soft Downhill Skier said:
The Greens want to increase it from $273 to $350. It's modest, but it would take so much heat off.
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From the 'Green' money tree?

Soft Downhill Skier said:
Conservatives are winning lots of the political culture wars (PC gone mad type nonsense, Labor will make your kid trans, you will get sacked if you say 'mother') but only because they know it gets plenty of battling people on side for those issues, not the guts of what politics should be. The Murdoch media does this very well.
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I don't need to watch comedians, this is hilarious, cheers.
 
CatFan79 said:
There's 300,000 jobs available right now, forced? LOL. Anyone got a Violin?
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... and there's 27 million people in Australia, a significant amount of them looking for work.

That aspirational middle class has to go somewhere, constantly trying to get ahead.
Bnllshit.
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Precisely what do you disagree with about what he said?
From the 'Green' money tree?
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Apportioning parts of the budget to cater for such an increase would be possible, just as apportioning funds to cater for corporate welfare is and will continue to be. That some lack the foresight to observe that underfunding social programs will result in higher crime is not surprising.
I don't need to watch comedians, this is hilarious, cheers.
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I get that you're enjoying the fallout from the election, but this discussion concerns real people, living actual lives. You don't have to contribute, but you could certainly take it a lot more seriously.
 
Gethelred said:
... and there's 27 million people in Australia, a significant amount of them looking for work.
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4.9%, taking the average person 6-8 weeks to find a job. It's actually less when you cancel out those 'pretending' to find a job.

Gethelred said:
Precisely what do you disagree with about what he said?
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Who benefits in keeping people from being employed?

Gethelred said:
That some lack the foresight to observe that underfunding social programs will result in higher crime is not surprising.
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Social programs are important but most lack the foresight that giving people more free money doesn't help them.
 
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