Bluemour Discussion Thread XVI - Facts Not Welcome

[Beer n Skittles]

So it's worsfold? He was finished now he's sought after. Seems weird

 

[Blue and Blue]

Better coach than his brother
Maybe he has a point to prove to many in the industry.

Don't they all. Only one per year gets to prove it.

 

[Omega Blue]

Bonar I believe is contracted to till 2021, we don't have a second round pick so will likely cost is the crows pick. Do people think that he would add to our list.
In my opinion we are better off going that pick for a mature talent.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Bonar I believe is contracted to till 2021, we don't have a second round pick so will likely cost is the crows pick. Do people think that he would add to our list.
In my opinion we are better off going that pick for a mature talent.

Dont think theres any chance we give up the crows pick for Bonar. Unless of course we get gws' 1st back. Eg: pick 12 for 18 and Bonar.

 

[LouderNowBlue]

There is a greater chance that I will win the Brownlow medal next year in a premiership winning Carlton team than James Hird coaching us.

It’s a shame, the rumour was so uplifting but you had to ruin it by taking it too far. Should’ve stopped at just the rumour it would’ve generated positive chat for at least 18 hours.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

They are not giving him up for anything less than a first. He just got 30 touches in the NEAFL, it’s not like they are pushing him out.

 

[F_therest]

I gave up trying to decipher the message after a minute. Legend.

I know Jimmae will be really pleased if we managed to snag A Bonar.

As you said previously, we have enough talented kids...can't see why we'd be interested in any of those players, including Bonar.

Like Setterfield he's also had ACL injuries, he hasn't played many AFL games. He'd likely need time just like Setterfield.
We just dropped Setterfield and LOB, we don't need another young mid...

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Can confirm the coach out of favour has not been mentioned here although when I was told BB was gone I was very nervous it was Scott. This is worse.... if he does what he did at his old club.

Ross Lyon ?
Mark Harvey ??

 

[F_therest]

Brad Scott will not be Carlton Head Coach next year.

Source: a Board member I know through business contacts (and yes I called him and asked - the conversation started with "you can't be that ******* stupid").

No decision has been made to change. The Club will not be reactive. Results will dictate what occurs. Though if they do move, it will be before the end of the season so that a process can be run. They are conscious about not getting left behind other clubs, but feel Bolton deserves the chance to show what he can do for the bulk of the year.

There is concern that the poor results is having an impact on Patrick Cripps. He has not said anything to the Club but his body language has been noted and he will have a big say in what happens with Bolton. Expect internal discussions over the bye if results continue as they are.

Sounds about right.

I think any rumour stating for a fact we will be getting person x as coach is full of it.

Club is backing Bolton for now and as Judd said, the plan is he will be the long term coach. Results over the next month or more will dictate whether that stance changes.

Yeah it's concerning Cripps has showed his frustrations on the field the last few weeks...can't blame him. Really bad look for us though, the coaching with our structures would appear to be poor and the young mids just aren't stepping up enough.

 

[My Hat]

I hope the club hasn't given up on Bolton.

If they have, I hope they haven't locked in a replacement.

If they have, I hope it's not Scott (or most of the other names that have been mooted here).

 

[Healer]

IMO we will not be taking Cows pick to the draft.
Expect it will be part of trade deal currency.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

They are not giving him up for anything less than a first. He just got 30 touches in the NEAFL, it’s not like they are pushing him out.

You just dont get a 1st for a guy who isn't playing seniors. And the NEAFL ain't that good

 

[F_therest]

Without giving too much away if we beat Essendon then a few more games and Bolton keeps his job it would be very ironic.

Sounds like you're implying it's Hird.

There's just no way your source could be right about that.
I could believe we've spoken to Hird about an assistant role, not head coach. The way he left AFL, there's no way he walks straight back in as a head coach, and at one of his former clubs biggest rivals at that.

 

[Healer]

There is a greater chance that I will win the Brownlow medal next year in a premiership winning Carlton team than James Hird coaching us.

It’s a shame, the rumour was so uplifting but you had to ruin it by taking it too far. Should’ve stopped at just the rumour it would’ve generated positive chat for at least 18 hours.

I couldn't stomache the thought of Tird at Carlton. FFS I nearly regurgitated my dinner.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

You just dont get a 1st for a guy who isn't playing seniors. And the NEAFL ain't that good

You also don’t trade a contracted player taken 11 in the draft two years ago, who was always going to take time, with a huge ceiling for seconds. Also if he was at our club he would be playing every week. It doesn’t make him a better or worse prospect.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

You also don’t trade a contracted player taken 11 in the draft two years ago, who was always going to take time, with a huge ceiling for seconds. Also if he was at our club he would be playing every week. It doesn’t make him a better or worse prospect.

True. Unless he demands out. He is worth a pick 20-25 imo. Nothing more. I think if we found a pick in that range they would let him go

 

[LouderNowBlue]

I couldn't stomache the thought of Tird at Carlton. FFS I nearly regurgitated my dinner.

Maybe it’s Bomber Thompson

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

You also don’t trade a contracted player taken 11 in the draft two years ago, who was always going to take time, with a huge ceiling for seconds. Also if he was at our club he would be playing every week. It doesn’t make him a better or worse prospect.

Contracts are worth doodly squat these days....we got a pick 5 in Setters for a few 2nd rounders, so don't count it out.

GWS has a brilliant list strategy stockpiling top end talent, with the knowledge that they can't keep them all....so they trade those not currently in their starting line up for high draft picks, and bring in more high end talent. The best will rise, the others will likely get traded. Two 1st rounders for Shiel, they'd be rapt with that deal.

They also have a kid named Caldwell waiting in the wings, so pushes Bonar even further back.

Big bodied mid who bursts out of stoppages, could be more than useful.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

True. Unless he demands out. He is worth a pick 20-25 imo. Nothing more. I think if we found a pick in that range they would let him go

I don’t know why they would though. NEAFL isn’t great but GWS have played 5 of 7 games against AFL’s twos sides and Bonar has been in the best 5 times. He is probably tracking as well as they could’ve hoped, i don’t think they are going to let go of him now.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I don’t know why they would though. NEAFL isn’t great but GWS have played 5 of 7 games against AFL’s twos sides and Bonar has been in the best 5 times. He is probably tracking as well as they could’ve hoped, i don’t think they are going to let go of him now.

They have plenty ahead of him. You may not see it but if they have 2 kids they believe are better long term for the club, contract or no contract, they will cash in. A early 2nd would easily do it if he wants out

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Contracts are worth doodly squat these days....we got a pick 5 in Setters for a few 2nd rounders, so don't count it out.

GWS has a brilliant list strategy stockpiling top end talent, with the knowledge that they can't keep them all....so they trade those not currently in their starting line up for high draft picks, and stockpile those. The best will rise, the others will get traded. Two 1st rounders for Shiel, they'd be rapt with that deal.

They also have a kid named Caldwell waiting in the wings, so pushes Bonar even further back.

Big bodied mid who bursts out of stoppages, could be more than useful.

Setterfield was on ridiculous money, losing him helped relieve salary cap pressure when he is still a long way off getting a game for them. Bonar and Caldwell are the exact types they will want to keep as they can fit in with any structure and they found their replacement for Setterfield with Hatley.

 

[jpfalvo]

No one is mentioning Scott burns. Has one of the better resumes and is spoken about very highly.


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Also i think we should keep bolton for next year. Just thought I would mention burns

Scott Burns was the third candidate to Barker and Bolton last time around. That would be why he is not mentioned

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[Smegger]

They also have a kid named Caldwell waiting in the wings, so pushes Bonar even further back.

They've got Hately too.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

They have plenty ahead of him. You may not see it but if they have 2 kids they believe are better long term for the club, contract or no contract, they will cash in. A early 2nd would easily do it if he wants out

No I don’t see it. His ceiling is enormous and he is tracking great and now they want to move him on for less than half of what they paid for him. It’s like saying we will cash in on setterfield for a 3rd rounder.

Edit he will most likely step into Deledio or Tomlinson’s role next season if they leave and be on half the money. You would also hope he could play Reid’s role. They have plenty of spots for these kids.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

We've also gotta keep in mid that GWS have academy kids that they want to get their hands on, so often they're happy to get 2nd or 3rd round picks to accumulate points to get access to these kids.