Bluemour Discussion Thread XVI - Facts Not Welcome

[Sharks On A Plane]

No, merely pointing that he is not the **** kick you are making him out to be. Seems the poor guy can’t win, it is a **** kick when it hits an unmarked target and a **** kick when it gets intercepted trying to hit a target. What are his other options?

We don’t have a defender on our list that can chase down the quickest small forwards when they have a sniff of the goals. Plowman is the lucky one who gets to play on them because the others are even more incapable. Doesn’t automatically make him slow.

It's not that hard, he can hit unmarked targets chipping sideways under no pressure but when under pressure or attempting a more difficult kick he cannot be trusted. Provides no run or rebound either.

I would back Liam Jones to chase down most opposition small forwards, guy is an animal.

 

[Iamcarlton]

True that, no-one mentioned his howler while bouncing it. It wasnt the only mistake of Crippas either.
But thats what happens in games of footy. Loads of mistakes from all players.

Clearly BB you haven't seen the footage on this play where Cripps looked up only to see an open paddock presenting to him and all our tall forwards sucked up the ground and out of position unable to be an option for him .
Causing hesitation and then the bounce stuff up .

 

[Blue and Blue]

I'm a big fan of Levi's.

Who would have that though that a team that has won 3 games out of the last 40 odd might have some substandard players that might need replacing at some stage... Not a point for discussion?

Fair discussion is great. Plowman is an easy target down back there. Pin it all on him sure. If you really think about it it's pretty obvious how silly that is. But these attacks on players so often end up looking silly and really what it amounts to is blue baggers bagging our own players. There is nothing worse. The system will sort out who gets a game. And as always the coaches know whats what far better than anyone with typing fingers. Yeah they actually do.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Clearly BB you haven't seen the footage on this play where Cripps looked up only to see an open paddock presenting to him and all our tall forwards sucked up the ground and out of position unable to be an option for him .
Causing hesitation and then the bounce stuff up .

No excuses is what I see written here over and over.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Fair discussion is great. Plowman is an easy target down back there. Pin it all on him sure. If you really thgink about it it's pretty obvious how silly that is. But these attacks on players so often end up looking silly and really what it amounts to is blue baggers bagging our own players. There is noithing worse. The system will sort out who gets a game. And as always the coaches know whats what far better than anyone with typing fingers. Yeah they actually do.

How am I pinning it all on Plowman?

The discussion was about Plowman so I offered my opinion on that particular player. No need to get offended.

 

[rampar]

Not a fan of Marchbank either. Think SOS has erred badly with these two.

Sos trades for ready made players has been down right shit. However, Cant work out if its coaching or not ...

 

[Blue and Blue]

How am I pinning it all on Plowman?

The discussion was about Plowman so I offered my opinion on that particular player. No need to get offended.

I arent offended mate. And I am not singling anyone out in particular including you even though it's your post I replied to.
However this whole sport of the whipping boy is a nasty thing. And I feel compelled to say so at times.

 

[Iamcarlton]

No excuses is what I see written here over and over.

Fair enough sack Crippa!!

 

[therubbernub]

I feel a bit sorry for Brad Scott. They tried really hard to get some pretty good senior players onto their list and were unable to. Then there is his brother's team and they have brought in loads of mature players the last few years not to mention a real haul this season of exactly the players they need and are top of the ladder.

You can rebuild through the draft as much as your want but for where footy is at, you don't go anywhere until you bring in a good number of senior players. Why North and us are both down the bottom.

Two teams, probably coached pretty much the same, one is top because it came from a strong base and was able to get the players it wanted. The other is bottom because it came from a weak base and wasn't able to get anyone.

There's a lesson for everyone bagging our coach.

It also raises my biggest concern with us, we may not be able to take the next step because we may not be able to recruit the mature players we need to. More bargain B graders and kids won't do the job.

If I was a coach I would be happy to come to Carlton because the worst of things is about to start to go behind us and if we recruit well over the next 2 or 3 seasons we could become a top side. But we are definitely in our bad stage and next season, unless miracles happen at the trade/free agents table, is probably our last season of being a bad side.

North were flying in 2016 early and were flag favourites after 12 rounds. then injuries hit. So scott is certainly capable of getting clubs performing.

 

[therubbernub]

Hird wont be coaching Carlton next year.

But you didnt say that Scott wouldnt be.....

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

Sos trades for ready made players has been down right ****. However, Cant work out if its coaching or not ...

SOS should not escape the spotlight.

Marchbank is one of many on the list that have underperformed in relation to their hype and draft position. His kicking is a huge concern, his speed, his agility... I'm finding myself questioning more and more of his trades and selections as time goes on.

 

[therubbernub]

Cripps enormously overshadows how bad we truly are and what our weaknesses are. He's the extremely good big strong mature midfielder in a team which lacks all of these things.

Fisher should be playing on the outside, forward and wing not on ball. SPS should be playing on the outside in much the same way, forward, wing and back flank, not on ball. Dow should be playing reserves not as our second string centerman. Walsh should be playing wing, not on the ball. Murphy should be playing in the forward pocket with stints through the middle, not in the midfield all game. Setterfield, O'Brien and Kennedy should not have played any senior football all year. But most of them have played most games and played them well below AFL standard because they are all we have got.

This is how bad we are and why I can't believe people can't see it and want to blame other things. It's the worst midfield in the league with the best midfielder in the league helping cover that up.

Sure we have some players with potential who might make good players some day and as a whole the midfield has potential to be fairly good but currently this is where it's at.

If we don't manage to land a couple of quality mature midfielders this off season then we're in big trouble. It will be the thing that costs guys like Bolton and Silvagni their jobs.

You do not want to be a rebuilding club and miss a few steps, that's what has happened at North, were rebuilding ok until it came to getting in mature players.

If you expect us to magically be winning games with a midfield like that you're dreaming. A coach can't fix this, we can't fix this this season, we will get a few opportunities to win when a team doesn't challenge us physically and Essendon is a chance but the problem is and has always been mostly the players.

We need to take the next step and recruit good quality mature midfielders or it wont matter who is coaching Carlton next season.

Midfielders are so important these days. Back in 2015 when SOS went all in on talls, I was nervous that we were leaving ourselves short on midfielders. Right now my fears have been vindicated. it is showing that no matter how good your talls are, if they are not being backed up by a competant midfield, they can be made to look silly and second rate. it happened last year with our defenders and this year with our forwards.
we simply have to get some consistency and hardness into our forward line. Get 1 free agent (Coniglio) and 1 with picks (cunnington) and let the dominos fall like inGB's second paragraph-

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

This place is bonkers
You're all bonkers
Yes you, you're bonkers

I miss being pumped.

 

[Styxx]

Were people discussing James Hird coaching us....and being serious?


Be ashamed of yourselves.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Its what happens when BS is given air

 

[ferrisb]

This place is bonkers
You're all bonkers
Yes you, you're bonkers

I miss being pumped.

You know when Bearded Carpenter calls you bonkers, you're in BIG trouble.

We should be ashamed of ourselves.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

True that, no-one mentioned his howler while bouncing it. It wasnt the only mistake of Crippas either.
But thats what happens in games of footy. Loads of mistakes from all players.

Agree, thought Cripps gave away an unnecessary important free kick at a crucial stage last week late.

I guess it’s about your positives outweighing your negatives in many cases.

 

[rampar]

Blasphemy

 

[blueblooded]

Clearly BB you haven't seen the footage on this play where Cripps looked up only to see an open paddock presenting to him and all our tall forwards sucked up the ground and out of position unable to be an option for him .
Causing hesitation and then the bounce stuff up .

Very true I was sitting right behind the play on that side of the ground and he had nothing at all. this full ground press is killing us. How many times McKay marked on the wing and back half and his next option Charlie Curnow was standing right next to him. It’s system based at the moment and the fact we are too small in the middle.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Our list isn’t the problem. We rebuilt it correctly. Talls 1st and mid afterwards. Plenty of top draft picks as well.
We have failed by not having enough big bodies to support them and allow them to develop.
Failed by not being able to trade in what we need and trading out too deep.
Failed by accepting failure for draft picks. Sold our soul and destroyed our culture.
Finally have failed with our current game plan being nothing short of atrocious right now and it seems we aren’t willing to change, which is even more damning.

 

[KnobHead]

Marchbank is a worse footballer than Plowman.
I long for the day Marchbank moves the ball quickly and then actually hits a target.

Maybe, maybe not. I find it really hard to comment either way on our players at the moment as the system isn’t working.

Marchbank mightg move it slow, but what are his options? Are players moving further up the field for him? More often than not, they aren’t.

If we were up and running, playing to a system (and winning games), then it’s easier to know whether it’s the player or something else.


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[The Flying Doormat]

James Hird literally did nothing wrong though.

I'm shocked to be reading this.

 

[Accidental genius]

we are all frustrated at the situation our club is in. we look for answers but our emotions get in the way and we end up blaming individuals ....coach or fitness staff or list manager or board member etc etc. the expectation of a rebuild only taking 3 years is just not realistic...more like 4-5 years

 

[Blue and Blue]

Far too soon to be using the F word. Fail will be in two years if we arent knocking on the 8. I feel we will be in it never mind knocking.

 

[Doro]

Far too soon to be using the F word. Fail will be in two years if we arent knocking on the 8. I feel we will be in it never mind knocking.

Super important for the drip feed of wins to keep the supporter base on page.