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What is the difference between a free agent
bluemahogany said:
Ellis is a Free Agent, Martin if just out of contract. GC will get compensation via trade, if not, Martin will go to the draft and GC won't get compensation.
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But both are out of Contract; why is one made to go to the draft and the other able to become a free agent
 

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Rosscoe said:
What is the difference between a free agent


But both are out of Contract; why is one made to go to the draft and the other able to become a free agent
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You're only a free agent if you come out of contract after 8 or more years in the league. Martin is coming out of contract at the end of his 7th year.
 
Rosscoe said:
What is the difference between a free agent


But both are out of Contract; why is one made to go to the draft and the other able to become a free agent
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Free Agency - AFL.com.au

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Have a read, should clear it up for you
 
BringBackSOS said:
Surely Ellis isn't worth a first round pick for compensation anyway?
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It's based on the contract he's given. 5 years @ $600k would have him firmly inside the top 15% of contracts, which qualifies Richmond for Band 2 compensation (end of first round). It's effectively the same pick they'd get for Band 1 (pick after their first, for top 5% of contracts) given they won the flag.

Not worth getting worked up about. A pick around 20 is about right for a 26yo dual-premiership outside mid/winger in his prime. He's not a star, but he's worth Pick 20 to a club in dire need of mature age players.
 
Rosscoe said:
What is the difference between a free agent


But both are out of Contract; why is one made to go to the draft and the other able to become a free agent
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Its based on salary/seasons played..

Eight or more seasons and top 25 per cent highest-paid players at his club (restricted)
Eight or more seasons and not top 25 per cent highest-paid players at his club (unrestricted)

Martin has only been at the Gold Coast for 6 seasons.. therefore not eligible as a Free Agent
 
BringBackSOS said:
Surely Ellis isn't worth a first round pick for compensation anyway?
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Lol i'll spew if Richmond get an end of first round comp for Ellis...and on-trade that for someone like Zak Jones who is an upgrade.

I know AFL makes it up, but allegedly the length and money of the contract is a main decider...except it's different because GC had to pay way overs to get Ellis to join them since no one wants to.
 
Blue__Balls said:
It's based on the contract he's given. 5 years @ $600k would have him firmly inside the top 15% of contracts, which qualifies Richmond for Band 2 compensation (end of first round). It's effectively the same pick they'd get for Band 1 (pick after their first, for top 5% of contracts) given they won the flag.

Not worth getting worked up about. A pick around 20 is about right for a 26yo dual-premiership outside mid/winger in his prime. He's not a star, but he's worth Pick 20 to a club in dire need of mature age players.
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I agree, but what stings is that Richmond, who have won 2 premierships in 3 years, benefit from the fact GC are forced to pay overs for mature players by getting a better pick than they really should for him. No one other than GC would offer anywhere near that amount to Ellis. They could quite conceivably trade or draft a better player than Ellis with that pick, like Zak Jones.

Also don't want them to benefit in this way after landing Tom Lynch from GC for nothing last year...

It's smart by Richmond but just seems pretty unfair as well.
 
Rosscoe said:
What is the difference between a free agent


But both are out of Contract; why is one made to go to the draft and the other able to become a free agent
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Free agency is effectively a reward for players who do a decent stint at one club. Show loyalty to a club for 8 years and you get the luxury of being able to find yourself a fat contract at any club and go there without a trade needing to be orchestrated.

If Martin signed a 1 year contract extension at the Suns, he'd be a free agent at the end of next season. If we offered him a huge contract, that might get the Suns compensation immediate after their first pick (likely to be Pick 1 or 2). The contract we've actually offered him this year would be more likely to get a compo pick at the end of the first round (Pick 19 or 20), which would be the same as what Richmond are likely to get for Ellis.
 

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F_therest said:
Lol i'll spew if Richmond get an end of first round comp for Ellis...and on-trade that for someone like Zak Jones who is an upgrade.

I know AFL makes it up, but allegedly the length and money of the contract is a main decider...except it's different because GC had to pay way overs to get Ellis to join them since no one wants to.
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They'll get it, provided they don't pick up a 'replacement' free agent themselves.

Pretty sure Motlop & Lycett's deals were almost identical to what Ellis is supposedly getting, considering WCE & Geelong both got a 2st round compo pick Richmond would be upset if they didn't get the same. Richmond will get pick 20 for him,pending any other compo picks. If the clubs were reversed and Ellis was leaving GCS for Richmond then the comp pick would have been after the Suns' first pick, so pick 2 (which would become 3 after their PP)
 
Blue__Balls said:
Free agency is effectively a reward for players who do a decent stint at one club. Show loyalty to a club for 8 years and you get the luxury of being able to find yourself a fat contract at any club and go there without a trade needing to be orchestrated.

If Martin signed a 1 year contract extension at the Suns, he'd be a free agent at the end of next season. If we offered him a huge contract, that might get the Suns compensation immediate after their first pick (likely to be Pick 1 or 2). The contract we've actually offered him this year would be more likely to get a compo pick at the end of the first round (Pick 19 or 20), which would be the same as what Richmond are likely to get for Ellis.
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WOW :astonished: then why did we not get any compensation for Jarrod Waite...he had 8 plus years
 
F_therest said:
I agree, but what stings is that Richmond, who have won 2 premierships in 3 years, benefit from the fact GC are forced to pay overs for mature players by getting a better pick than they really should for him. No one other than GC would offer anywhere near that amount to Ellis. They could quite conceivably trade or draft a better player than Ellis with that pick, like Zak Jones.

Also don't want them to benefit in this way after landing Tom Lynch from GC for nothing last year...

It's smart by Richmond but just seems pretty unfair as well.
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Maybe. It's just as likely a slightly lesser and more "reasonable" contract, ie. 4 years at $500k, would get Band 2 compo anyway though.

Swings and roundabouts. If Martin was on the move they'd get the same pick they're likely to get for Ellis, and then there'd be outcry about how ridiculous that is.

Random thought - would the compo make more sense if it was tied in some way to the finishing position of the club receiving the player? So a club losing a free agent is actually rewarded more if that player goes to a lower-placed club. Maybe combine the two, have the pick placement being positioned halfway between the current and receiving club. Obviously the decision on which club to choose rests with the player, but would it help "equalise" the comp a little more if clubs received less compensation for a player moving to a strong club than they did a weaker one?

Band 1 - halfway between the two clubs' first round picks.
ie. If Coniglio went to Carlton, GWS get Pick 11 (splitting 4 and 18), if Coniglio went to Hawthorn, GWS get Pick 15 (splitting 12 and 18)

Band 2 - halfway between the receiving club's first and the current club's second round picks.
ie. If Ellis went to GC, Richmond get Pick 20 (splitting 19 and 21), if Ellis went to Geelong, Richmond get Pick 27 (splitting 19 and 35)

Band 3 - halfway between the two clubs' second round picks.

Etc.
 
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