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List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2020

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legendstatus said:
The obsession from the media to write or mention a negative story about us (Collingwood) is bordering on bullying

And this fcukstick (Barrett)leads the way along with crossed eyed Ralphy!


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Barrett has been a ring leader ever since we took away his beloved Wells from his beloved Norf. He of all people should know that Wells is off our books by now.

Why aren't they reporting on Richmond's cap? They just signed Lynch on big money and won another flag.

Why aren't they reporting on WCE's cap? They won a flag and just added in Kelly, seemingly without having to trade anyone out. They're flag favourites now.

Why aren't they reporting on GWS? They just lost the grand final and recently signed Kelly and Coniglio on huge money. They've got Whitfield coming out of contract soon. Apparently Jeremy Cameron is on 1.5m+ and just partly justified his cost by winning the Coleman. His value has hardly plummeted either.

The only real outrageous contracts we've done lately are Wells and Mayne. Wells is gone. Mayne one year left.

JDG hasn't really done anything since his last contract year (2018) to suggest he's getting any more money in his next deal.

Pendlebury is already sacrificing coin and is guaranteed to make a decent dollar in coaching afterwards. He doesn't need to make millions in the short term like most AFL players probably aspire to do.

Moore will be looking like pushing for more money but how's he different to Barrass? How's he different to Grimes? How's he different to Haynes?
 
Gaben said:
Ultimately we've won 2 in 60 odd years, they've won 1; neither team really has the right to be crowing about successes... I don't think the premierships we won back when the first world war was occurring are particularly relevant to either teams current chances of achieving the ultimate success.
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Ok we are marginally better than the saints.
How many have they won in the last 70, or 50 years? Or last 20 years? Just trying to work out how you came up with the ‘60’ years.

We can all be selective when attempting to make an argument plausible.

Not sure why you wouldn’t just use the period both clubs participated in the game.
Both have had the same opportunities during that period.

The Collingwood Football Club have undoubtedly put themselves in a better position to win a GF than the saints over the past 60 years if that’s the number that works for you.

Either way, we are no better than the St Kilda Football Club. Excuse me while I go to their board and apologise.
 
10571z said:
anyone see that post that pies are into Jenkins. Some random Collingwood page but I wouldn’t mind it for $100k
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I think the basic wage is a bit more than 100k, at least double l would say.
 
legendstatus said:
The obsession from the media to write or mention a negative story about us (Collingwood) is bordering on bullying

And this fcukstick (Barrett)leads the way along with crossed eyed Ralphy!


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Although it’s probably not far from the truth.

Without naming players, it would be interesting to see the number of players being paid between certain bands for each club.

Grundy, DeGoey, Moore and Pendles are probably our best 4 players. It’s uncommon to have your 4 best players all negotiating new contracts in the same year. Particularly when 3 of those players are on the rise and will be commanding substantial increases.
 

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HFF said:
Our future first for what?
If it’s to bring in players then I’m totally against it.

There’s no point irresponsibly wasting cap space.
If anything I’m all for a shed.
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Shed money, players or both?
 
I have an inkling that playing 3 tall forwards will be a popular model next year . Based on absolutely no evidence just a feeling

2 Big key forwards and a more mobile 3rd tall (Mihocheck , Gunston)

So A Jenkins , Mihocheck , Cox/Cameron may work
 
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What I don’t understand is the group think from journos that Pendles would be contributing to our salary cap squeeze.

I get that he performed out of his skin this year, particularly in comparison to last year, but surely his last contract was his last big contract.

The hawks amongst other clubs have managed to secure their ageing stars (Mitchell etc) on relatively small dollar short term contracts, so why in the world wouldn’t we?

I seriously think he is 1% chance of going elsewhere.
 
HFF said:
To shed money we clearly need to shed players
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Ok, then, those we shed do have to be replaced on the list. Main & rookie A.
So it’s a combination of draft picks, F/A, or trades. And they have to be payed.
Unless we are getting kids who are cheap, our total gain will not be that much.
To get the kids you have to have the picks available
 
left at home said:
Ok, then, those we shed do have to be replaced on the list. Main & rookie A.
So it’s a combination of draft picks, F/A, or trades. And they have to be payed.
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Yes they have to be replaced and paid but going to the draft is cheaper than replacing them with other existing players in the system.

We need to clearly do something.
Fortunately we have a big chunk of the list off contract next year too which will help if we need to sacrifice others to retain our key players.
 
swoop42 said:
At first glance it seems like West Coast got royally bent over by Geelong in the trade for Kelly.

West Coast certainly appeared willing to get the deal done quickly and seemingly coughed up what Geelong were after without much haggling but are they in serious need of some anal eaze tonight?

While a known quantity like Kelly is generally always worth more than any draft pick/s you receive in the short term I still feel that Geelong ultimately won the trade simply because they have turned the 2017 #24 draft pick into selections #14, #24, #37 and a 2020 1st.

Still if you believe like me that not all 1st round selections are remotely equal then is the price paid for Kelly as much as the two pick 7's it ultimately cost us for Treloar?

I'd say no and nor should it be given Treloar was 23 in his first season with us while Kelly will be turning 26 in July 2020.

At the end of the day Geelong extracted maximum value for Kelly from West Coast while the Eagles have added an excellent midfielder to an already premiership capable team.

Both teams would be feeling content tonight I'd imagine.

P.S- Can the media please stop always looking at points value in trying to determine who "won" a trade or what the "real" value ended up being.

Picks for points is a useless statistical tool to base any trade (or potential trade) on unless one of the teams involved will directly benefit because of the process required when matching any bid for a father/son and/or academy prospect.

West Coast might well have given up the points equivalent of pick 4 but come draft night Geelong still wont be in a position to call out a players name at selection 4 based on the Kelly trade alone so it's really a false dichotomy they are presenting.

This continual boiling down of a trade to it's equivalent points value does my head in and even more so when I believe Geelong wont even be in any need to match a bid for any highly rated talent in the 2019 draft.
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Weagles will have made out like bandits if Kelly helps them win another flag or two in in the next few years.

Who knows what will come of the Cats haul of draft picks? Perhaps they’ll unearth the next Buddy Franklin but it could just as easily be the next Jack Watts.


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HFF said:
Yes they have to be replaced and paid but going to the draft is cheaper than replacing them with other existing players in the system.

We need to clearly do something.
Fortunately we have a big chunk of the list off contract next year too which will help if we need to sacrifice others to retain our key players.
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You see this is where we differ, l don’t see our ttp as that bad, and certainly contracts can be altered to get the new deals done. Less money, extra year.
Pendles has had his big pay day, so his next will be less than now as well
 
Part of me really wants us to sign JDG before the start of the season, though it seems unlikely as his management probably wants to see what happens with Moore and Brodie.

Reason being though of the 3, since their last renewals I think JDG has "improved the least" or rather since re-signing in 2018 to now he's probably been par with himself, where Moore and Brodie have improved. Those contracts and deals have already risen, but based on what we've seen till now you could probably look at offering JDG less of an increase as the other two, and take away the fear of him having a huge year and his price sky rocketting with the other 2.
 
unplugged said:
Barrett has been a ring leader ever since we took away his beloved Wells from his beloved Norf. He of all people should know that Wells is off our books by now.

Why aren't they reporting on Richmond's cap? They just signed Lynch on big money and won another flag.

Why aren't they reporting on WCE's cap? They won a flag and just added in Kelly, seemingly without having to trade anyone out. They're flag favourites now.

Why aren't they reporting on GWS? They just lost the grand final and recently signed Kelly and Coniglio on huge money. They've got Whitfield coming out of contract soon. Apparently Jeremy Cameron is on 1.5m+ and just partly justified his cost by winning the Coleman. His value has hardly plummeted either.

The only real outrageous contracts we've done lately are Wells and Mayne. Wells is gone. Mayne one year left.

JDG hasn't really done anything since his last contract year (2018) to suggest he's getting any more money in his next deal.

Pendlebury is already sacrificing coin and is guaranteed to make a decent dollar in coaching afterwards. He doesn't need to make millions in the short term like most AFL players probably aspire to do.

Moore will be looking like pushing for more money but how's he different to Barrass? How's he different to Grimes? How's he different to Haynes?
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Do you think that maybe the Pies are leaking the salary cap issues themselves to help with negotiating contracts internally?
 
swoop42 said:
At first glance it seems like West Coast got royally bent over by Geelong in the trade for Kelly.

West Coast certainly appeared willing to get the deal done quickly and seemingly coughed up what Geelong were after without much haggling but are they in serious need of some anal eaze tonight?

While a known quantity like Kelly is generally always worth more than any draft pick/s you receive in the short term I still feel that Geelong ultimately won the trade simply because they have turned the 2017 #24 draft pick into selections #14, #24, #37 and a 2020 1st.

Still if you believe like me that not all 1st round selections are remotely equal then is the price paid for Kelly as much as the two pick 7's it ultimately cost us for Treloar?

I'd say no and nor should it be given Treloar was 23 in his first season with us while Kelly will be turning 26 in July 2020.

At the end of the day Geelong extracted maximum value for Kelly from West Coast while the Eagles have added an excellent midfielder to an already premiership capable team.

Both teams would be feeling content tonight I'd imagine.

P.S- Can the media please stop always looking at points value in trying to determine who "won" a trade or what the "real" value ended up being.

Picks for points is a useless statistical tool to base any trade (or potential trade) on unless one of the teams involved will directly benefit because of the process required when matching any bid for a father/son and/or academy prospect.

West Coast might well have given up the points equivalent of pick 4 but come draft night Geelong still wont be in a position to call out a players name at selection 4 based on the Kelly trade alone so it's really a false dichotomy they are presenting.

This continual boiling down of a trade to it's equivalent points value does my head in and even more so when I believe Geelong wont even be in any need to match a bid for any highly rated talent in the 2019 draft.
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WC got a superstar top 10 player in the league they also made Geelong weaker it's a huge win for the Eagles.

Picks are not even top 10 we gave up more for Treloar.
 
BEEG said:
WC got a superstar top 10 player in the league they also made Geelong weaker it's a huge win for the Eagles.

Picks are not even top 10 we gave up more for Treloar.
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Except that Kelly is not top 10
 

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left at home said:
Ok, then, those we shed do have to be replaced on the list. Main & rookie A.
So it’s a combination of draft picks, F/A, or trades. And they have to be payed.
Unless we are getting kids who are cheap, our total gain will not be that much.
To get the kids you have to have the picks available
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I wouldn't be surprised if we're in cap trouble, but I'm not too worried. Even if it's as bad as the journos are suggesting - going by rumoured salaries, guys like Shaz, Aish, WHE and Cox replaced by draftees would probably save about $200,000 per player. Sorted, without much damage to the team.
 
HFF said:
Yes they have to be replaced and paid but going to the draft is cheaper than replacing them with other existing players in the system.

We need to clearly do something.
Fortunately we have a big chunk of the list off contract next year too which will help if we need to sacrifice others to retain our key players.
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A premiership might help the retention.
 
Disappointed there isn't a thread with every players guesstimate salary listed to see how it all adds up
 
LuckyLee said:
Weagles will have made out like bandits if Kelly helps them win another flag or two in in the next few years.

Who knows what will come of the Cats haul of draft picks? Perhaps they’ll unearth the next Buddy Franklin but it could just as easily be the next Jack Watts.


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There is still the possibility that WCE will need to purge a few to get their cap back in shape. Getting the deal done was the priority and now they have him they may have others that can now be moved on to accommodate. I am happy to wait and see what happens from here.
 
AFL need to address the matching rule.

A club that bids on an F/S or NGA etc that isn't their's needs to have a consequence attached to it.

For example if a club bids on a player they aren't entitled to just to force a club bid.

If the club doesn't match then the club that bid should lose that pick to the non matching club.

It would stop bidding early just to force a club. :drunk:

I hope that is splained goodly enough.:moustache::p
 
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