Bluemour Melting Pot XXII

[Coops93]

It doesn't sound convincing to you because you didn't actually read my post.

I'm not sure how you've come to that conclusion, but it's incorrect.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

nixons are at all clubs ?

Yes in different forms.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Happy to take a punt on Lukas Webb in the rookie draft. Got talent, but had a wretched run of injury.

 

[ESKIE]

Yes in different forms.

 

[Gethelred]

And if my grandad was born with wheels he'd be a bike.

If they switched careers, Martin would be FA and we'd be calling him an 'overpaid Richmond hack' looking to cash in after winning 2 flags and Ellis would be the 'under achieving talent looking to rejuvenate his career' at the Blues I reckon.

At Richmond, Martin'd have been a different player, and a far superior player to Ellis. We're banking on GC not having ruined him long term, and that he has the mental strength to overcome what bad habits he may have developed up there.

How we'd perceive it, though, is pretty much like that.

 

[bmaurizio]

Yup as a youngster Martin was an absolute gun, hopefully he rekindles his passion and recalibrate his talent because if he gets some inspiration at CFC to fulfill even just close to his potential we'll have a elite footballer and for zilch.

 

[HBF]

Happy to take a punt on Lukas Webb in the rookie draft. Got talent, but had a wretched run of injury.

Liked him in his draft year, but reckon he'd only be a depth player for us. Perhaps take him as a rookie.

 

[ferrisb]

is the blond(e) thing gender specific cause a friend said he can't find a similar term for males...........

Is he blonde?

 

[ferrisb]

I’m trying, ffs

Yep, you're VERY trying, Jab.......

 

[ferrisb]

Interesting article in Fox AFL about Brad Crouch and his desire to get to Gold Coast. Article says that Crouch initially asked a price that GC declined, but then Crouch significantly lowered his price. This at about the time Papley deal was stalling. And as GC had already committed picks 1 and 2 to Rowell and Anderson, they were after another high pick. To me this would appear why GC uped the stakes in Martin trade. Won't say what I think of GC at this time, but if we do get Martin through PSD for no picks to GC I will be very happy...

Brad Crouch was ‘desperate’ to leave the Crows after last-minute pitch to Suns

Brad Crouch was ‘desperate’ to leave after the Crows after last-minute Gold Coast Suns pitch

www.foxsports.com.au

Such equine manure.

Sure, our pick 9 would have helped GC do a deal with Adelaide for Crouch.

But even if GC held onto picks 1 & 2 for Rowell and Anderson, they still have next year's first, next year's pick 11, picks 15, 20 this year, Lukosious, Rankine, etc etc to play with.

GC can suck eggs for holding us to ransom....

 

[ferrisb]

Also, I'm not sure there are enough universes or dimensions for a club to agree to a 6-year, $1M a season deal with a player with an injury history as extensive as Crouch's (even if he is A-grade when fit).

 

[ferrisb]

Yup as a youngster Martin was an absolute gun, hopefully he rekindles his passion and recalibrate his talent because if he gets some inspiration at CFC to fulfill even just close to his potential we'll have a elite footballer and for zilch.

V happy to get Martin for free.

But how many elite juniors have middling AFL careers for seven years, then get traded and suddenly turn into superstars?







* Acknowledging that the last seven years at GC would have been hard for any kid to flourish....

 

[Gethelred]

V happy to get Martin for free.

But how many elite juniors have middling AFL careers for seven years, then get traded and suddenly turn into superstars?







* Acknowledging that the last seven years at GC would have been hard for any kid to flourish....

Shaun Burgoyne was good but not great before coming to Hawthorne...

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Does anyone know how recent players that have departed from the GC form held up just prior to leaving there ??

I know Lynch, Ablett & Omeara were injured before leaving and Bennell had his issues.

But did other players form stagnate or drop away prior to leaving ??

Players like
Prestia, Dixon, Caddy, Saad, Hickey, Smith, Matera, May, Hall, Scrimshaw etc

More importantly how many of these types have either recaptured their best form or played better after departing the Suns.

 

[ferrisb]

Shaun Burgoyne was good but not great before coming to Hawthorne...

Good example. He certainly is one that seemed to get better with time.

But he did make an AA squad at Port.... And averaged about 20 touches and a goal a game for a few years.

Ignoring his injuries at time of recruitment by Hawthorn, I'd have him reasonably (not enormously) ahead of Martin at the times they moved. Granted he played in a much better team.

Also, there are always going to be examples/exceptions to the rule. I'm a numbers guy. If something has a 10% success rate, sure I like to hold out hope that it will work out, but deep down I know its highly unlikely.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

When’s the draft and when will we get Martin? Thank you in advance.

 

[Stamos]

When’s the draft and when will we get Martin? Thank you in advance.

Wednesday 27th and Thursday 28th November
On the Thursday.

 

[Coops93]

Just Kreuzing
Players like

Prestia - was playing well, clearly was one of the better players. Gone up level at Richmond

Dixon - Injured a lot at the Suns but looked dominant when he played. Was considered better than Lynch early on. Basically the same at Port, injured but looks dominant when he finally plays.

Caddy - much meh. Was the same at Geelong. Meh. Even at Richmond he's really been average, he's been dropped several times, but steps up in a big way in finals.

Saad - Was very good for the Suns. Continued on in the same form for Essendon really.

Hickey - Didn't even know he was ever on the Suns list, so that tells you enough about his time there I guess.

Smith - showed talent and promise, but never put it together. Basically the same at Geelong.

Matera - always had talent but had some off field trouble and injuries. Never put it together for the Suns. He's definitely been better at Freo.

May - Very good, injury prone though. Likes to get involved in extra curricular activities, if you know what I mean.

Hall - Some extremely good patches. Lead the brownlow at one point a couple years ago. Then goes through patches where he's nigh on unplayable he's that bad.

Scrimshaw - couldn't get a game. Hasn't shown much for Hawthorn either.

O'Maera - Has more or less continued the upward trajectory he showed prior to his injury. You could say he's been better with the Hawks, but he should be. He was always trending up before his injury and has continued that post injury. It'd be unfair to say he's been better because he left the Suns imo.

It appears not many have left an average player and really taken it to the next level. They've either continued with the same problems or taken slight steps forward. Prestia is probably the best of them, though Matera took a big step up after leaving.

 

[CJMB]

Does anyone know how recent players that have departed from the GC form held up just prior to leaving there ??

I know Lynch, Ablett & Omeara were injured before leaving and Bennell had his issues.

But did other players form stagnate or drop away prior to leaving ??

Players like
Prestia, Dixon, Caddy, Saad, Hickey, Smith, Matera, May, Hall, Scrimshaw etc

More importantly how many of these types have either recaptured their best form or played better after departing the Suns.

I’d say Prestia, Dixon, Caddy, Saad, Hickey, Smith and Scrimshaw have all played better footy at their current clubs compared to their suns stints.

I’d say all took a while to get going, most getting their body right and then fitting into a new system. Scrimshaw early days but coming off a low benchmark with his couple (?) of games up north.

May, Hall and Matera haven’t done much at their new clubs. I’m not particularly convinced by Hall or Matera as footballers but reckon after a shockingly disastrous 2019 we’ll see a big improvement from May.

Add that to Lynch, O’Meara and Ablett and that’s a pretty good strike rate of decent football post-Suns.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Wednesday 27th and Thursday 28th November
On the Thursday.

Gee whiz it’s dragging on

 

[footyfan1978]

So 1st day of draft is just round one and then second day they do all the remaining rounds and then onto the Pre-Season Draft and Rookie draft later that night ?

 

[BlueJet]

I’d say Prestia, Dixon, Caddy, Saad, Hickey, Smith and Scrimshaw have all played better footy at their current clubs compared to their suns stints.

I’d say all took a while to get going, most getting their body right and then fitting into a new system. Scrimshaw early days but coming off a low benchmark with his couple (?) of games up north.

May, Hall and Matera haven’t done much at their new clubs. I’m not particularly convinced by Hall or Matera as footballers but reckon after a shockingly disastrous 2019 we’ll see a big improvement from May.

Add that to Lynch, O’Meara and Ablett and that’s a pretty good strike rate of decent football post-Suns.

According to some on this board, Prestia was a small, soft, stat padder @ GCS. [emoji2369]
I think there's a tendency to undervalue opposition players, particularly those in poorer sides - funnily enough, something that we as Blues fans should be mindful of given our recent history.

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[Just Kreuzing]

Thanks Coops93 & CJMB

 

[ferrisb]

I stupidly fed a tiger troll on the main board and had a very uncharacteristic meltdown.

Is it just me or have Tigers supporters (certain ones, in particular) been excessively insufferable over the last two years?

 

[footyfan1978]

I stupidly fed a tiger troll on the main board and had a very uncharacteristic meltdown.

Is it just me or have Tigers supporters (certain ones, in particular) been excessively insufferable over the last two years?

Tigers in general are DH types.
There is the odd one that has poor taste in club but still a good human but very very rare.