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Is there an example of Pell having received first hand reports of sexual abuse prior to 1996?
Protecting George Pell
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No.
He is innocent until proven guilty. We all are. Its one of the good things about this country.
The findings of the royal commission
<<<Cardinal George Pell knew of child sexual abuse by priests in Australia as early as the 1970s but failed to take action, a landmark inquiry found>>
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No. There was not a newspaper reader who didn’t know generally of sexual abuse by priests as early as the 70s.
Is there an example of a first hand report prior to 1996?
Bruce has the guts to continue to put the Pell verdict in the face of a pile on - the Court did not find him guilty, it could have accepted the decision being appealed, it did not. We can all nit pick the evidence to draw the conclusion we might want, particularly when its the verdict you dont want.
The approach of the Church to cover up is not unique*, it was far more widespread across the community, endemic, to the shame of all of us who lived through that time.
* that is not to lessen any aspect of this shameful child abuse by anyone person or organisation.
Sadly Gough when you seek to introduce your ideology of choice 'this is all about the dreaded left ', refer to good ol' Milt: '..... facing an additional eight charges, on top of the 15 child sex abuse offences he was served in June.
The new charges include one count of aggravated indecent assault, three counts of aggravated sexual assault and four counts of supplying prohibited drugs.
Police allege six offences in relation to a 12-year-old boy.
That boy was allegedly abused in 1999, the same year Orkopoulos was elected to represent Swansea in the NSW Lower House.
Orkopoulos served as Aboriginal affairs minister in NSW under former Premier Morris Iemma.'
Former NSW Labor minister drugged, raped 12yo boy, court hears
Former NSW Labor minister Milton Orkopoulos is hit with more charges in court, as police allege he drugged and assaulted two young boys in 1999 and 2003.
There are plenty of skeletons in many cupboards.
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Bruce has the guts to continue to put the Pell verdict in the face of a pile on - the Court did not find him guilty. We can all nit pick the evidence to draw the conclusion we might want, particularly when its the verdict you dont want.
The approach of the Church to cover up is not unique*, it was far more widespread across the community, endemic, to the shame of all of us who lived through that time.
* that is not to lessen any aspect of this shameful child abuse by anyone person or organisation.
Sadly Gough when you seek to introduce your ideology of choice 'this is all about the dreaded left ', refer to good ol' Milt: '..... facing an additional eight charges, on top of the 15 child sex abuse offences he was served in June.
The new charges include one count of aggravated indecent assault, three counts of aggravated sexual assault and four counts of supplying prohibited drugs.
Police allege six offences in relation to a 12-year-old boy.
That boy was allegedly abused in 1999, the same year Orkopoulos was elected to represent Swansea in the NSW Lower House.
Orkopoulos served as Aboriginal affairs minister in NSW under former Premier Morris Iemma.'
Former NSW Labor minister drugged, raped 12yo boy, court hears
Former NSW Labor minister Milton Orkopoulos is hit with more charges in court, as police allege he drugged and assaulted two young boys in 1999 and 2003.www.abc.net.au
What Labor folk don’t like to discuss is the treatment of Gillian Sneddon in that shameful affair. I’ve never seen anti-Pell commentator Kristina Keneally asked what she knew and when she knew it or what she did about it.
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but brucie doesn't recognise and body or person who makes decisions that don't accord with his. you should know that by now.
He's not unique in this thread, plenty of barrows being pushed, & thats not to deny any of those personally affected.
The thing about Pell is, they tried but failed & Bruce is reminding you of that.
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they didn't fail to prove he knew about the child molestation and that's far from over.
When was that charge laid? I've seen it suggested the Police are guilty of that charge.
If nothing else you should have learnt of 'innocent until proven guilty' .... unfortunate for the court of public opinion.
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Yes that was always underpinning the High Court's decision, but it is not what they said about the case.
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What a pile of s**t bruce.
he was in a position of power. He knew it was happening - he did nothing.
a royal commission has decided that.
you have to accept that - the same way others on here have to accept that there wasnt enough evidence to convict him in his court case.
Amongst many other allegations - where he was the sole perpetrator - settled quietly without any attention
You know how to insult the great man, I'll give you that.
Unfortunately for you, he's never likely to see it as I doubt he's heard of Big Footy let alone penned anything on it. Stemming from having a productive fulfilling life I'd guess. Pity in some respects cos he'd chop you into morsels and chew you up piece-by-little-piece.
Are you Gerard Henderson?
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He wasn’t in a position of power.
When he was, he did more than any institutional leader before him to confront the issue.
I don’t have to accept findings of a Royal Commission at all. They are simply findings. And in this case unsupported by the evidence.
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No. I’m not. I find Gerard insufferable to be honest. Although I admire his resilient refusal to ignore historical facts.
But your adulation of Geraghty is vomitous. He’s no expert. He was a lousy priest and a compo lawyer who was in the right place at the right political time.
You were there for the royal commission were you?
when he was a humble parish priest he was in a position of power bruce.
if he suspected one of his fellow priests was molesting kids he was in a unique position to be able to report it to police and would have been believed over other lay people.
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I watched much of the Royal Commission online, so yes. I was “there”. It wasn’t a priest. It was a Christian Brother over whom he had no control or authority.
Does that make it ok? The Nuremberg defence proved unsuccessful in war trials - its nit successful here - it goes to attitude and culture and acceptance of abusing kids - which should be abhorrent to anyone other than the sick campaigners involved...
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Oh f*** off you obtuse pedo-defending bastard.
I am sure you have seen the video (posted in here for your benefit) where he did. You tried to defend it by saying he was taken out of context.
You are truly a lowlife pig for continuing to deny Pell said what he said.
Ive got control over a christian brother who i find molesting kids - anyone does.
Personally id punch him in the head a few times - drag him by the f%}}% hair while kicking his arse to the cop shop and stand there and wait till hes f#}%% charged bruce.
you dont have to be so dramatic - you can just ring them if you like.
you dont need someone in authority to tell you you are f#}%% authorised to stop fiddlers
Thats the trouble with being inside a hierarchical system - you think in terms of that system - well heres a f#}^^^ hint - you dont need to wait for a paedo organisation to say its ok to do something about paedos.
what you do is see or hear of something happening like that and you progress right to doing something about that. You dont have to wait for the f%}%^ pope to tell you its ok in latin.
and as i mentioned - coming from a priest (back when a priests word was worth something) a few of those poor kids might have stayed untouched
Perhaps read what Bruce said, not what you want to believe. Its disengenuous to try & put words in Bruces mouth.
The strategy of trying to pin all that happened (it did, yes) on Pell might satisfy some here, but it failed.
