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Ghost Patrol said:
Do you agree that Biden is a lot more respectful towards the media, compared to Trump?
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I agree although he can afford to be, 90% of the MSM are fanboys of his, if Trump had said some of the overtly racist things Biden has said over the years he would have been portrayed as the devil incarnate.

There is no doubt IMO that the MSM are shockingly biased (on both sides) these days and is not driven by investigation and truth but rather by agenda and a confirmation bias narrative. The problem in the USA is that the vast majority of MSM is left wing and by large only look for faults on one side of politics.
 
Jason mp said:
I agree although he can afford to be, 90% of the MSM are fanboys of his, if Trump had said some of the overtly racist things Biden has said over the years he would have been portrayed as the devil incarnate.

There is no doubt IMO that the MSM are shockingly biased (on both sides) these days and is not driven by investigation and truth but rather by agenda and a confirmation bias narrative. The problem in the USA is that the vast majority of MSM is left wing and by large only look for faults on one side of politics.
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The Murdoch docoseries on ABC iView is really bloody good.
 

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I've found it interesting that news.com.au has pivoted from being anti-Trump wherever possible to being anti-Biden wherever possible.

Now I look at their actions as being reflections of what is driving the clicks, so I think people just like reading about how terrible government is.

And that's only going to be good in the long run.

It's also far easier to write negative stories.
 
Jason mp said:
I agree although he can afford to be, 90% of the MSM are fanboys of his, if Trump had said some of the overtly racist things Biden has said over the years he would have been portrayed as the devil incarnate.

There is no doubt IMO that the MSM are shockingly biased (on both sides) these days and is not driven by investigation and truth but rather by agenda and a confirmation bias narrative. The problem in the USA is that the vast majority of MSM is left wing and by large only look for faults on one side of politics.
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Isn't that just basic supply and demand though? ie. if there was more market for MSM right wing news we'd see more of those orgs? I assume we'd be majority free market peeps in this thread lol

Worth noting that Fox is still the biggest cable news channel ratings wise, they probably suck up a lot of the oxygen.
 
bourbons said:
Do we? :tearsofjoy:

And depends which media innit. Think MSM Fox gave Biden a bit of heat over that one from memory.
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OK I was referring to myself and 60 Yards Out. With the media treatment I was also thinking in the context of news outlets using "multiple anonymous sources" to discredit Trump when his public detractors have suffered no real adverse consequences.

That part of Biden's speech was just bizarre; I can only assume he literally forgot where he was! Of course Fox would (quite rightly) give him heat after they (sometimes wrongly) hammered Obama even over innocuous stuff, but the other channels no doubt swept it under the carpet.
 
Werewolf said:
OK I was referring to myself and 60 Yards Out. With the media treatment I was also thinking in the context of news outlets using "multiple anonymous sources" to discredit Trump when his public detractors have suffered no real adverse consequences.

That part of Biden's speech was just bizarre; I can only assume he literally forgot where he was! Of course Fox would (quite rightly) give him heat after they (sometimes wrongly) hammered Obama even over innocuous stuff, but the other channels no doubt swept it under the carpet.
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Ha, Chris Krebs and about a dozen other government ex-employees would like a word re: the bolded. If he had any power to mess with his public detractors in other spheres he would have. He did have a crack from time to time, calling for the cancelling of quite a few people and orgs over the journey that he didn't like, ironically enough (apologies for the CNN link ;))

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And yeah agree about the Biden speech. Its not quite the outrage that people try to paint it as (in the full vid he follows up on it with more quips about it being a dull audience, to a smattering of laughs), but yep definitely a foot in mouth moment that he could rightly be criticised for. But of course it won't be the CNNs of the world doing that, just like the Foxs of the world didn't criticise Trump for stuff where it was warranted.
 
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Ghost Patrol said:
Do you agree that Biden is a lot more respectful towards the media, compared to Trump?
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Of course. The media on the whole has been very kind towards Biden (and ignored the Hunter fiasco) so he's just returning the favour :)
 
bourbons said:
Isn't that just basic supply and demand though? ie. if there was more market for MSM right wing news we'd see more of those orgs? I assume we'd be majority free market peeps in this thread lol

Worth noting that Fox is still the biggest cable news channel ratings wise, they probably suck up a lot of the oxygen.
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In an ideal world all news would be unbiased, investigative and truth based, unfortunately as I said that is not the case, I may be an old man screaming at clouds but the proliferation of on the fingertips easily accessible 24/7 information as been to the detriment of journalism. Most of the MSM just look for gotcha moments and promote clickbait journalism via sensationalism and embellishment which comes from a biased mindset.
 
chunkylover53 said:
The rich got richer and the poor got poorer because of the economy collapse - that's generally what happens in a crisis. This is accelerated when most of the billionaires have made their fortune in tech - the biggest beneficiary of all from COVID. What about the billionaires involved in oil & gas? Are they no longer considered the elite?

Billionaires buying land during a recession is hardly surprising. My old man did the same, I started my business during COVID (not that either of us are billionaires).

It just seems you're anti-Globalist, which is fine. But why? It seems you think all the global organisations are nothing but corrupt.

I've got no problems with globalisation operating under a capitalist structure or agreement per se. Countries free to trade with each other, the richer ones prop up the poorer ones via labour, we can travel anywhere, can shop online for cheap etc.

Pretty sure from 1990 til now-ish over a billion people in developing countries were lifted out of poverty due to globalism.

The world is going to be completely different by 2030, but I don't think we will be living in a socialism society where our wealth is completely controlled by said organisations.
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The problem was this is largely a manufactured crisis. With the WHO initially proposing lockdowns and other harsh measures which caused the economic collapse (before walking those claims back eventually and admitting that lockdowns, especially in countriers with high urban density like Asia, Europe and parts of the US, can actually increase spread, through shared air conditioning, stairwells and lifts, as well as increasing non-virus related health issues like depression and lack of medical care for fear of being infected / not being serious enough).

Secondly, i'm not anti-globalism on an individual basis. Businesses and individuals should be allowed to freely trade if they have the capital to do so. I am against the expatriation of tax payers money that occurs where governments bail out corrupt businesses or contribute to other nations infrastructure costs like under the Paris Accord, in effect i am against global welfare (like I am against the majority of welfare within nations as well).

And as to all global organisations being corrupt. That falls quite clearly within the power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely motif which I consider to be disturbingly accurate. These entities have absolute power (as we see with Facebook and Twitter and Amazon) and one must assume that they are therefore absolutely corrupt.
 
Jason mp said:
In an ideal world all news would be unbiased, investigative and truth based, unfortunately as I said that is not the case, I may be an old man screaming at clouds but the proliferation of on the fingertips easily accessible 24/7 information as been to the detriment of journalism. Most of the MSM just look for gotcha moments and promote clickbait journalism via sensationalism and embellishment which comes from a biased mindset.
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This accessible information which often gobackto original sources and challenge the media with the numbers of people accessing which they admit is more than CNN get on weekdays, and that it represents with evidence a different view than their own.

This is where it becomes dangerous when the current D lawmakers are planning to suppress, delete and punish people producing or reading this information just because it doesn't conform to the ruling party's point of view. It makes the media complicit and propaganda agents and not journalists.

Here is an example of the most severe punishment lawmakers want to inflict on one side, but they and the media have ignored their own side in the same or worse behaviour.

 
FlowersByIrene said:
The problem was this is largely a manufactured crisis. With the WHO initially proposing lockdowns and other harsh measures which caused the economic collapse (before walking those claims back eventually and admitting that lockdowns, especially in countriers with high urban density like Asia, Europe and parts of the US, can actually increase spread, through shared air conditioning, stairwells and lifts, as well as increasing non-virus related health issues like depression and lack of medical care for fear of being infected / not being serious enough).

Secondly, i'm not anti-globalism on an individual basis. Businesses and individuals should be allowed to freely trade if they have the capital to do so. I am against the expatriation of tax payers money that occurs where governments bail out corrupt businesses or contribute to other nations infrastructure costs like under the Paris Accord, in effect i am against global welfare (like I am against the majority of welfare within nations as well).

And as to all global organisations being corrupt. That falls quite clearly within the power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely motif which I consider to be disturbingly accurate. These entities have absolute power (as we see with Facebook and Twitter and Amazon) and one must assume that they are therefore absolutely corrupt.
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I agree with your point about not being against anti-globalism on an individual basis, and for me it's being against being ruled and controlled by unelected global committee who don't exist for my benefit, but to enrich themselves.

The COVID crisis and the way people have been herded through fear, based on lies, to achieve the goals that the Global organisation has proclaimed is the problem for me.
 

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BlueE said:
who don't exist for my benefit, but to enrich themselves.
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That’s every business on the planet you’re talking about. And every person.

The good news is they don’t rule you and they don’t control you. They seek to influence you to their benefit but again then so do all businesses. You don’t have to let them if you don’t want.
 
mcnulty said:
That’s every business on the planet you’re talking about. And every person.

The good news is they don’t rule you and they don’t control you. They seek to influence you to their benefit but again then so do all businesses. You don’t have to let them if you don’t want.
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No every business or person on the planet doesn't exist to rule or control me, did I suggest that?

Corbett, Catherine Austin Fitts and Alison McDowell give a very clear picture of where this is all going.

Ushered in by COVID and the US Biden Govt, Trudeau,Adern, Boris, Merkle, Macron "build back better"

The “partnerships” which the WEF creates are aimed at replacing democracy with a global leadership of hand-picked and unelected individuals whose duty is not to serve the public, but to impose the rule of the 1% on that public with as little interference from the rest of us as possible.
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BlueE said:
No every business or person on the planet doesn't exist to rule or control me, did I suggest that?
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No I said they exist to enrich themselves and not for your benefit. That was the quote I referenced.
 
BlueE said:
No every business or person on the planet doesn't exist to rule or control me, did I suggest that?

Corbett, Catherine Austin Fitts and Alison McDowell give a very clear picture of where this is all going.

Ushered in by COVID and the US Biden Govt, Trudeau,Adern, Boris, Merkle, Macron "build back better"

The “partnerships” which the WEF creates are aimed at replacing democracy with a global leadership of hand-picked and unelected individuals whose duty is not to serve the public, but to impose the rule of the 1% on that public with as little interference from the rest of us as possible.
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Klaus Schwab & His Great Fascist Reset

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I like Austin Fitts, she has been in the middle of and pretty high up in government as well. I assume you mean James Corbett, if so another good one. Never heard of Alison McDowell, I'm off to google her.

Another couple I like are Patrick Bet-David of Valuetainment Podcast and Brian Rose London Real, they don't just concentrate on politics though.

I'd love to know who others on here go to for reliable non mainstream news. I like the Podcasts has you can get in depth 1-3 hour informative conversations rather than the garbage soundbites you get on MSM.
 
bourbons said:
Look, I'm actually happy to accept that he was more mocking anyone with a disability than Kovaleski specifically.
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FFS. He used the same voice and motions when sending up a very non-handicapped general in the very same speech he lampooned Kovelski's flustered backtracking.

BTW John Kovaleski seems to have no issue mocking others e.g. members of the LGBT community. I'd be interested to know if you are as disgusted by his retweet below as you are disgusted by Trump's poking fun at Kovaleski's 180° turn on 9/11?



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mcnulty said:
No I said they exist to enrich themselves and not for your benefit. That was the quote I referenced.
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I think my point is "they" are the select partner companies of the World Economic Forum, topped by businesses like Amazon, big Pharma, Blackrock, not the businesses that support communities, and the ones in danger of going out of business.

I hadn't heard of any of this until around 6 months ago when questioning the COVID narrative. None of it may apply to me or WA, but I still question and can't really believe what Klaus has promoted. Then parts of the agenda is enacted by different governments and the objectives keep coming true!

The kicker was the phone conversation between Darth Klaus and John Kerry, with Kerry telling him they'd already started the Great Reset when Biden got elected and they will be ready to go Day 1, and they have.
 
bourbons said:
Ha, Chris Krebs and about a dozen other government ex-employees would like a word re: the bolded. If he had any power to mess with his public detractors in other spheres he would have. He did have a crack from time to time, calling for the cancelling of quite a few people and orgs over the journey that he didn't like, ironically enough (apologies for the CNN link ;))

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A list of people and things Donald Trump tried to get canceled before he railed against 'cancel culture' | CNN Politics

President Donald Trump is now campaigning as a warrior against what he says is a left-wing "cancel culture" that seeks to get people punished or banished for supposedly objectionable words or acts.
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And yeah agree about the Biden speech. Its not quite the outrage that people try to paint it as (in the full vid he follows up on it with more quips about it being a dull audience, to a smattering of laughs), but yep definitely a foot in mouth moment that he could rightly be criticised for. But of course it won't be the CNNs of the world doing that, just like the Foxs of the world didn't criticise Trump for stuff where it was warranted.
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Chris Kerbs hasn't suffered any adverse consequences, he looks to be rewarded with a cashy consultancy. He's joined up with Alex Stamos, the former head of Facebook’s security operations who left amid revelations of its involvement in the Cambridge analytical scandal, and previously worked as a security executive at Yahoo at a time when 500mil user a/cs were hacked, to rebuild trust in the Solar Winds company, after the biggest security hacks in US history.

The point with Biden is that he actually insulted the military, but this only came out when Trump was falsely accused of insulting the military. All of the 20 people that were with Trump when he supposedly made the insults, including John Bolton who hates him, said it never happened and it was a lie, but this did not stop the press from spreading this fake news.

It's not about Biden being more respectful to the media, it's the media attacking Trump and him reacting.
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