There you go again jumping to conclusions
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There you go again jumping to conclusions
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It started with your woeful wrist example. You are the one making outlandish claims. Where the term is not defined in statute, you need to go to case law. If you can produce an example of sexual assault that didn’t involve the usual suspects (or say images thereof) then produce it. The discussion was around the likely nature of the JDG charge.
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I think if the new coach was Clarkson (unlikely now) or Mark Williams then they would not be scared to move on any players including Grundy. Somebody like Choco would probably get the best out of De Goey, so I would be retaining him.
Whereas a new untried coach (Yze, Macrae, Tapping) may not want to rock the boat. So would not have the courage or boldness to move on a big name player.
If i was in charge Grundy would be the first contact I would renegotiate or move on. A two or three way deal with the Suns and or Crows/Port, to get Ben King or Rowell. Throw in Sidebottom And or Crisp as steak knives. Might even by Mihocek.
Most of the others named are dead wood. Out of that lot, it may depend who is prepared to stay for minimum fish and chips.
I would expect by this time next season Macrae, Poulter, McCreery, Henry, Nick Daicos, Tyler Brown, Bianco, Lynch, McInnes will all be regular senior players. IQ is already in our best team.
Lynch/Cameron could job share if Grundy were to leave.
Macrae/Poulter could take over Crisp role
Henry/Kelly could take over Mihocek role
Tyler Brown replaces Sier
Mcreery/McInnes replaces - Josh Thomas
If Grundy were to leave then King or Rowell can be added to the mix.
I have not included Nathan Murphy (not sure has a spot if Howe returns) , Kelly or McMahon (may take longer), Ash Johnston. Not sure re Rantall.
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For the third? time? Not once did I say anything about wrists?? and you keep bringing it up? Are you drunk? Why did you confuse sexual assault and indecent assault?
YOU made the claim that indecent assault MUST include something, I gave you, or can give you, official government websites and Victorian law firms which state what you said is NOT true. Why don’t you just give me the legal definition in Victoria? Is it because it proves you wrong?
You said my legal definition was wrong, maybe you should call the state governments and tell them their definitions are wrong too?
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If it came down to it I would retain him over Wilson purely because he is younger but for me both lack the required attack on the contest. Both really give me Shannon Cox vibes.
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Ok - arm/wrist. Jdg’s charge is indecent assault. That was the offence at the time. It has since been reclassified as sexual.
Hence case law will use both terms depending on time. Just give me a real world example. Onus on you.
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I don’t know what the case is for a football club to stand in the place of the civil authorities and levy an additional penalty against an individual who has already been punished under the law.
Honestly, isn’t that an over-reach?
No, not arm/wrist, I never once mentioned anyone's wrist and you said "wristys are not what you think" then mentioned "wrist" in your next 3 posts, despite me never ever using the word... Once again, are you drunk? Or just confused? How did you invent a word I never said then argue against it for so long?
Yes, obviously case law will apply to Jordan's case, derp that's obvious... But that has literally nothing to do with legal definitions, which is what I stated, then you claimed I was "wrong" and invented your OWN legal definition that has zero backing or evidence anywhere in Australia... Hmm. You would make quite the lawyer...
I've asked you 10 times to provide a legal definition from Victoria and you've ignored me every time, then you ask me to research indecent assault case law in Victoria to prove something that I've already proven? Come again?
Most work places would fire people who are found guilty of sexual or indecent assault, that is not limited to football clubs.
Case law can help the judge decide on the appropriate sentence based on past decisions in similar circumstances, that is completely different to the legal definition of a crime that I provided and Sideswiped incorrectly argued against.
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Not quite - what I was suggesting is that where legislation doesn’t define a term, we then go to case law to see how the courts have defined it.
The classic example is the US Supreme Court discussing the definition of pr0n - “you know it when I see it”. As to sexual assault there will be the usual things involving genitalia or there might also be situations where an imbalance of power is involved, say the unwanted kissing of a subordinate. It’s necessarily broad rather than prescriptive to
allow for a wide range of acts. But the JDG charge and any similar charges would always involve the usuals. That’s what was being discussed.
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So you want to know the answer at something, then get upset when it's provided to you?
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“Army” wasn’t as good a gag as wristy. You made a contention that an arm stroke could constitute sexual assault. And it was wrong.
About to start drinking.
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So you made a gag about "wristys" even though I never mentioned wrists? Does that make sense to you? And you haven't started drinking yet?
Based on all legal definitions in this country, any " Rubbing against someone for sexual gratification. Groping someone for sexual gratification. Touching an individual on any part of their body in a sexual manner." Can be classed as indecent assault, that is an undeniable fact. Maybe it hasn't yet... but it could. Jmac was asking what could theoretically be the most "minor" form of indecent assault... So I answered, correctly... you then started this moronic argument trying to use semantics to argue that legal definitions don't matter... Anyway, moving on.
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But what is the case for doing so? Why should people be punished twice? Does it mean they’ve become permanently unemployable? How do they get to redeem themselves and live better lives? We need to act according to principle, not populist clamour.
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Sorry one more thing my learned friend. Your contention that case law has “literally nothing to do with legal definitions” is beyond stupid.
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Good lord, you are drunk. You were arguing that "case law will apply to Jordan's case" then I said "yeah, no shit sherlock, but that statement is irrelevant to the argument about legal definitions". I did not say "case law has literally nothing to do with legal definitions"... Do I need to make it more simple for you? Do you understand the difference my "learned" friend.
You would get absolutely torn apart in a real court
Most of the time companies way up the effect bad press will have of them by keeping a criminal versus the benefits they provide the company, it's capitalism. Jordan is lucky that he's a gifted footballer otherwise he'd probably already be cut by now, like many others have been.
