Bluemour Melting Pot XXXII - Reaching fever pitch! 🔥 🔥 🔥

[alfo]

Brander gives me massive Jaksch vibes...
Would take him as steak knives, but definitely not as a straight swap

 

[Bobmonkey]

SPS was one of those players that some fans created a myth around when they were trying to pump him up that speed was one of his best traits. Yet when you watched him play he never displayed any great pace at the AFL level. LOB is in the same boat in that regard.

Oh please, LOB is not even close to being in the same boat.
When finally given an opportunity this season he showed what he can do as an outside player by smashing out some great performances.

 

[The Great Ian]

Shouldn’t be losing a young player with the natural talent SPS has, but it’s product of having a poor culture that has resulted in so many changes happening at the club now. Shame.


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[thebluenewdeal]

if I’m being completely honest I think the moment Williams came into the club samo was one who became expendable. The funny thing is that samo is probably just a level below Williams as a half back and is the better midfielder. It’s crazy to think we paid that much money for essentially replacing samo. I said it when we got Williams and I will say it again when we bring in cerra. We are just paying overs for players that we already have. The club seem to be spending money for the sake of it. It’s getting tiring.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Seems a bit short-sighted of SPS to jump ship 5 minutes before a new coach starts and quite possibly plays him in a different way.
Unless he and Diesel have already talked and SPS didn't like the sound of what a newer, harder-edged Carlton means for him.

So you think when Diesel wrote on a whiteboard 'No weak campaigners' - he might have got the hint ?

 

[Blues_1864]

If you don't have a contract on the table it's treated as different than if you refuse to sign a contract.

Brander will automatically become a free agent. SPS will have to go to the draft as we've offered him a contract (assuming our contract we offered him wasn't a bullshit minimum wage offer).

West coast would have to offer brander an AFL median wage contract for him to not become a free agent.

I don't disagree, I just think there is a question of timing. When does Brander become a delisted free agent? He is not delisted as of today. West Coast are under no obligation to release him prior to first list lodgement (which is weeks away, far side of trade week). Even the Eagles themselves are talking about him going to the draft if there is no trade interest... it suggests that Brander won't be available to anyone as a delisted free agent until these other avenues have been exhausted.

 

[Gointocarlton]

Stats wise and draft pick wise SPS and Cerra very similar, straight swap and call it even

Sam Petrevski-Seton and Adam Cerra AFL Stats Comparison

Sam Petrevski-Seton and Adam Cerra AFL Stats Comparison.

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[Jeremias]

if I’m being completely honest I think the moment Williams came into the club samo was one who became expendable. The funny thing is that samo is probably just a level below Williams as a half back and is the better midfielder. It’s crazy to think we paid that much money for essentially replacing samo. I said it when we got Williams and I will say it again when we bring in cerra. We are just paying overs for players that we already have. The club seem to be spending money for the sake of it. It’s getting tiring.

SPS is not close to Williams as a footballer.

 

[Blue Razor]

West Coast currently has picks No.10, 29, 36, 49 and 65 at the NAB AFL Draft.

Carlton currently has pick No. 5,24 and 60

I can see

West Coast Receive SPS and 60

Carlton Receive 36 and 65

reason pick 36 would be it will probably be in the 40s after academy and F|S which is an early 3rd pick overall.

 

[Sammo63]

Straight swap….SPS for Brander….both boys go home….life goes on for everyone

 

[AndyLucimitis]

if I’m being completely honest I think the moment Williams came into the club samo was one who became expendable. The funny thing is that samo is probably just a level below Williams as a half back and is the better midfielder. It’s crazy to think we paid that much money for essentially replacing samo. I said it when we got Williams and I will say it again when we bring in cerra. We are just paying overs for players that we already have. The club seem to be spending money for the sake of it. It’s getting tiring.

I also think Stocker off half-back was a much better option than SPS - tougher and a much better and penetrating kick.

 

[Accidental genius]

Thanks. We'll let the club know to contact you before they hire someone. Cheers.

Good.

 

[El Topo]

SOS loaded up on young mids so that we could top up by trading out the surplus, pity the coaches didn't get the memo

 

[Bostonian]

I should know better than to do this, but a while, being one draft?

2018 - 2 picks in the top 50.
2019- 3 picks in the top 50
2020 - 2 picks in the top 50

I don't classify that as having taken a lot of picks in the top 50.

 

[Blue__Balls]

This ‘SPS was played out of position’ narrative falls short IMO.

We gave him every opportunity over three and a half years to develop into a decent mid, he continued to underwhelm and showed little improvement since he was drafted and was only moved into defence in his 4th year after again lacking the output you’d expect of a midfielder.

Then there’s the other aspects. He was unfit, slow, opted to choose basic, conservative options constantly. Rarely extended with his kicking despite being a technically beautiful kick and turned it over far too frequently for the kind of kicks he was trying to execute.

His attack on the ball was poor. He was inconsistent. Nothing about the way he played gave me the impression he was being misused, as he was his own worst enemy with his lack of effort. He actually looked comfortable in defence because he could just read the ball coming in and sweep up. Being one of the best loose ball accumulators in 2020 says a bit.

Happy to give Teague his due, but SPS’ underwhelming stint at Carlton is in no way on him.

Dude, we're trying to trade him, shut up...

He's a future Brownlow Medallist, probably a Norm Smith medalist in the same year. Originally drafted at Pick 6, worth every bit of it, getting him for anything less than Pick 10 would be an absolute steal.

 

[Pixelshooter]

Some players need assistance to get the most ut of their natural ability...SPS strikes me as one of those. I could be way off base here...but not sure we've had anyone from the coaching group to the playing list that have been prepared to really challenge him and his standards? It's a real shame because he's one bloke that can really use the ball well when he gets it...and I suspect could probably be even more penetrating given some real guidance.

 

[mrkyuss]

Another primo SOS first rounder. Give the man a new job!

 

[thebluenewdeal]

SPS is not close to Williams as a footballer.

You’re overrating williams man. He doesn’t defend on ground level and he can’t run games out. He looks gassed when he plays at half back… he’s a sensational ball user but I can confidently say that samo is a better midfielder than williams.

 

[Planet14]

Many of you have clearly been watching a different SPS to the one I have seen the last few years.

No player has had more opportunities and delivered so little in that time. How many great games has he played. One? Two? There was that one game against the Dogs at Marvel under Teague. Maybe Collingwood early?

 

[Rosscoe]

He's not really.

If you put him in the GF sprint he'd get blown away by the league's true quick players.

If you ran the sprint 30 times, which players do during a match of football; he would be competitive the first 20 and would burn them in the last 10.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I would honestly prefer pick 29 than Brander tbh.
Wouldn't be surprised if LOB asks for a trade in the next days either.

 

[zeggie]

Some players need assistance to get the most ut of their natural ability...SPS strikes me as one of those. I could be way off base here...but not sure we've had anyone from the coaching group to the playing list that have been prepared to really challenge him and his standards? It's a real shame because he's one bloke that can really use the ball well when he gets it...and I suspect could probably be even more penetrating given some real guidance.

I think Eddie leaving will be part of his decision.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

So you think when Diesel wrote on a whiteboard 'No weak campaigners' - he might have got the hint ?

 

[Gethelred]

I don't know how we can offload a contracted player, who is on big money, but playing about as good as me (I retired after Under 16s). Even if we paid some of his wage I'd be surprised if we'd get any takers. Maybe see what a new coach can do with him? If that doesn't work, put him in a cannon, sell tickets and fire him down Lygon Street - I'd pay to see that.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that he's on 750 thousand a season for the next two seasons.

We approach Fremantle, and offer them pick 24 + McGovern, but with the addendum that we're willing to pay 60% of his contract (450 thousand for the next two years). That drops his wage from them to about 100 thousand below the median AFL player wage, and he provides for them something they haven't got; a contested marking target and an aerial threat below the age of 30 that isn't a ruckman.

We, on the other hand, reduce his wage burden from our books by 300 thousand a season, obtain the player we want and don't part with our first for him. If we draft cannily over the next few years - as in, draft at least 2 rookies instead of using the national draft - or we continue to develop Mirkov in one of those positions, then we are only out of pocket for the term of the contract by a small margin (the difference between the rookie wages + 60% of Gov's contract, compared to 1-2 ND players instead).

It depends on what he's on, and whether Freo would be willing to play ball. I do not see why they wouldn't at least speculate about it.

 

[Fat Kent]

Pass on Brander. Take the draft pick/s.