List Mgmt. 2024 List Management 📃

[haveago]

As much as Young annoys me he is a good player to have on your list as he can fill so many roles if needed and at only 25 could still improve

The Roos would love to have him amongst others.( Bulldogs ?, HA HA)
Signed up for 4 years I believe.........Good.
200cm keys are hard to find.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

I would be happy to trade Young to North but we do need a reliable CHB. That would be the one player we're really missing on the list. You could make a case for a faster Bailey Smith

3

Bailey Smith

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

type mid also.

Does Marchy finally lock down that role? Kemp?

S Durdin was a waste of effort we could have put into someone more athletic / less injury prone.

Freo are good at giving away good players. Can we go after one of their 3 key defenders?

The crows are after Petty. Maybe guzump them?

Jack Buckley?

Did Barrass re-sign with WC recently? He'd be top of the list. If we cleared Youngs salary + 2 others we may be able to squeeze in another decent sized contract.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

The Roos would love to have him amongst others.( Bulldogs ?, HA HA)
Signed up for 4 years I believe.........Good.
200cm keys are hard to find.

Pies will be looking for one too if Murphy retires. Howe close to the end

 

[Crippa#9]

Not sure where the idea we have no key position players has come from.

Weitering is an elite full back.
Marchbank when fit is an elite CHB.
Curnow and McKay are elite FF and CHF both with Coleman medals to their name.
They are all free to play football this weekend.

Young is a backup fullback who can come in and keep guys like Lynch and Daniher to 0-2 goals a game. Don't know if many teams have that depth.
Sam Durdin was playing well enough in the VFL last year to nearly come into our preliminary finals side.
Lemmy is a really promising general key position player.

Then we have the pinch hitters.
Kemp can pinch hit as a CHB and is ok in this role despite being undersized.
Silvagni has pinch hitted as a key forward.
DeKoning has played as a key forward.
O'Keeffe plays a bit of key forward in the VFL, thought is probably 95% ruckman.
We have proven we can beat good sides with one of the key forwards out.

We are not short on key position players. Having said that, it would not be bad list management if we drafted one with the future in mind.

What we are short on is smaller marking forwards. With Silvagni out for the season and Martin in and out of the side and DeKoning playing first ruck there really isn't anyone else who is presenting up front. We have drafted Moir which is good recruiting but we are all unsure how far away he is.

Carn G, Marchbank is far from an ‘elite’ CHB.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

I hope we can find a high performing CHB in the VFL in the mid season draft.

 

[bigm386]

If your picking our best small forward right now FOG is it. Based on his tackle pressure alone. Plus he can attend CBAs.

He is 25 and isn't going anywhere. Will he be surpassed by Motlop and Durdin? Maybe. But right now he is ahead of them for me.

Owies is a handy player but behind FOG keeping in mind he was dropped for the Brisbane game. Owies is a smart player but he plays like a medium forward which has always been odd.

 

[Blue__Balls]

As much as Young annoys me he is a good player to have on your list as he can fill so many roles if needed and at only 25 could still improve

Young is our depth KPD.
Hawks have Frost as a starting full back...

We're doing OK.

 

[Juice030103]

Who do we think early days is getting delisted? Gonna be harder than normal this year

 

[Blue__Balls]

Who do we think early days is getting delisted? Gonna be harder than normal this year

Gut feel is that the following are probably done:

Akuei (Cat B)
Durdin S (Rookie)
Mirkov (Rookie)
Cuningham (Senior)

Question mark over Marchbank.
I think we'll end up freeing up the necessary senior list spots by shifting a few blokes to the rookie list.

Akuei's spot goes to Duffy.
Durdin's rookie spot is used to retain Marchbank for one more season (unless he implodes again).
Mirkov's rookie spot is used to retain one of Owies/Fogarty/Martin purely as a LM tool.
Cuningham is a restricted free agent, I think we'll encourage him to explore his options and hope for a 3rd round compo.

The gives us three senior spots to use on the Campo boys plus either a free agent or speculative late pick. If there is a rookie we need to elevate (Boyd?) then they get that senior spot and we pick up another rookie.

 

[bigm386]

Who do we think early days is getting delisted? Gonna be harder than normal this year

It's even harder when you think Boyd is a rookie who probably will be upgraded.

We need to free up 3 list spots so cutting a players like Akuei or Cincotta doesn't really matter cause they are rookies.

I wouldn't be surprised if we lose 2 of Marchbank, Martin and Cunners purely based on availability. All three have talent but injury issues haven't really gone away. We will probably have to trade out a talented fringe 22 player which I don't like but it is what it is if we need to free up lists spots.

 

[Juice030103]

I agree with both that cunners is in trouble

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

I would be happy to trade Young to North but we do need a reliable CHB. That would be the one player we're really missing on the list. You could make a case for a faster Bailey Smith type mid also.

Does Marchy finally lock down that role? Kemp?

S Durdin was a waste of effort we could have put into someone more athletic / less injury prone.

Freo are good at giving away good players. Can we go after one of their 3 key defenders?

The crows are after Petty. Maybe guzump them?

Jack Buckley?

Did Barrass re-sign with WC recently? He'd be top of the list. If we cleared Youngs salary + 2 others we may be able to squeeze in another decent sized contract.

Jack Buckley would be a dream. Lock in a premiership if we snag him.

IMO we are one athletic key position tall (Buckley or Idun), 3rd medium tall forward (O Henry, Fritch) and an elite ball user (butters, gulden) short of being unstoppable.

 

[Michael Jezz]

We can admire Fogarty and Owies endeavour and they are our current best small fwd options, but let's not delude ourselves they are premiership class. They don't crumb goals like a bobby hill, charlie cameron

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Charlie Cameron

Age

31

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

and stengle. We need them to cash in on the crumbs Charlie and Harry create if or when we play off in the grandfinal

 

[Juice030103]

We can admire Fogarty and Owies endeavour and they are our current best small fwd options, but let's not delude ourselves they are premiership class. They don't crumb goals like a bobby hill, charlie cameron and stengle. We need them to cash in on the crumbs Charlie and Harry create if or when we play off in the grandfinal

If only we had guys like jack Martin or Jesse Motlop to do that for us

 

[JJBagger]

We can admire Fogarty and Owies endeavour and they are our current best small fwd options, but let's not delude ourselves they are premiership class. They don't crumb goals like a bobby hill, charlie cameron and stengle. We need them to cash in on the crumbs Charlie and Harry create if or when we play off in the grandfinal

Ahh yes, noted premiership player is Charlie Cameron

 

[BlueJet]

A top shelf small forward is a luxury, not a necessity.
While it'd be great if our smalls hit the scoreboard more consistently, if they're creating f50 stoppages & repeat entries, they're doing their job.

 

[katmanblue]

Gut feel is that the following are probably done:

Akuei (Cat B)
Durdin S (Rookie)
Mirkov (Rookie)
Cuningham (Senior)

Question mark over Marchbank.
I think we'll end up freeing up the necessary senior list spots by shifting a few blokes to the rookie list.

Akuei's spot goes to Duffy.
Durdin's rookie spot is used to retain Marchbank for one more season (unless he implodes again).
Mirkov's rookie spot is used to retain one of Owies/Fogarty/Martin purely as a LM tool.
Cuningham is a restricted free agent, I think we'll encourage him to explore his options and hope for a 3rd round compo.

The gives us three senior spots to use on the Campo boys plus either a free agent or speculative late pick. If there is a rookie we need to elevate (Boyd?) then they get that senior spot and we pick up another rookie.

A third for Cuningham probably gets used up getting the Campo twins.

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[Beer n Skittles]

We can admire Fogarty and Owies endeavour and they are our current best small fwd options, but let's not delude ourselves they are premiership class. They don't crumb goals like a bobby hill, charlie cameron and stengle. We need them to cash in on the crumbs Charlie and Harry create if or when we play off in the grandfinal

Fogarty is a little one dimensional, but that one thing he brings is pressure and he is elite at it. Would be handy in finals.

Edit - I do agree with the sentiment that he shouldn’t be our best small forward though, and right now I think he is

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

We can admire Fogarty and Owies endeavour and they are our current best small fwd options, but let's not delude ourselves they are premiership class. They don't crumb goals like a bobby hill, charlie cameron and stengle. We need them to cash in on the crumbs Charlie and Harry create if or when we play off in the grandfinal

Fogarty is a perfect role player. He creates the turnovers through pressure, he just needs the mercurial types around him so he can dish it to them to finish the job.

A Stengle type would fit perfectly, as seen with Miers and Close who play the Fogarty role.

 

[Blue__Balls]

A third for Cuningham probably gets used up getting the Campo twins.

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Maybe.

We've got our first and second rounders, and we've essentially swapped our third and fourth rounders for fourth rounders from GC, Freo and WB.

Hard to judge this early, but after compo picks and the like I'd have us with something like Pick 18 (Car R1), Pick 40 (Car R2), Pick 66 (WB R4), Pick 68 (GC R4) and Pick 70 (Freo R4).

A third rounder for Cunners (assuming his contract places him in the top 70% of players, which seems reasonable to assume) would be around Pick 58.

We then need to assume we'd probably need to trade some of these picks early, given we're unlikely to have a bunch of open list spots. Picks 58, 66 and 68 could get us up around 50-52 if another club needs some points. Head to the draft with 18, 40, 50.

I reckon our first rounder covers Ben, maybe a slight downgrade on our second at most.

Let's say it gets to the early 30s, no bid for Lucas yet, we could offer up Pick 40, with a swap of future picks in the other club's favour, to get another bite in the 30-35 range before matching a bid for Lucas with Pick 50 and some carry-over points in the third round next year. Can even trade out a late future pick for some extra points this year on draft night - gets to Pick 40, there's bound to be a few clubs who've seen players they were considering get snapped up earlier than expected, and are then open to trading a third rounder for a future third or something of that nature.

 

[BigFrizz36]

We can admire Fogarty and Owies endeavour and they are our current best small fwd options, but let's not delude ourselves they are premiership class. They don't crumb goals like a bobby hill, charlie cameron and stengle. We need them to cash in on the crumbs Charlie and Harry create if or when we play off in the grandfinal

Here are some of the recent small to mid forwards who have played in premiership teams that I reckon might have failed your "not up to premiership class" test;

Tory Dickson (Dogs)
Clay Smith (Dogs)
Jason Castagna (Tigers)
Dan Butler (Tigers)
Jason Cripps (Eagles)
Mark Hutchins (Eagles)
Charlie Spargo (Demons)
Jack Ginnivan (Pies)

So there's two things. Premiership teams are not made up of 23 world beaters. Generally there is a tier of guns, not far off guns, solid contributors, role players etc. Generally the premiership team is the one where there is the smallest gap from player 23 to player 1.

Shane Ellen and Cale Morton were key players in premiership teams. Which means that you don't know that players are premiership class till they go into that furnace.

 

[Soapy V]

We can admire Fogarty and Owies endeavour and they are our current best small fwd options, but let's not delude ourselves they are premiership class. They don't crumb goals like a bobby hill, charlie cameron and stengle. We need them to cash in on the crumbs Charlie and Harry create if or when we play off in the grandfinal

They don't but that doesn't mean they can't be part of a Premiership side. Every flag side has a Fogarty.

Fogarty's defence is elite and makes us better. The ability to lock the ball in is huge along with stopping opposition rebound. Every good side should have one like him and he creates opportunities for others. Our forward pressure last weekend was high standard

The key is to mix him with the right options. Motlop, Fantasia, Durdin are goal kickers. Owies is a better goal kicker than many give him credit for. He's just not explosive or flashy

IMO a fwd line of Charlie, McKay, Martin & Hollands (fwd/mid) Fogarty along with two of Motlop, Durdin, Fantasia or Owies is our best combination. For me it's the sum of all parts more than the individual

 

[Coops93]

A top shelf small forward is a luxury, not a necessity.
While it'd be great if our smalls hit the scoreboard more consistently, if they're creating f50 stoppages & repeat entries, they're doing their job.

I'm not sure that is true really. Dangerous small forwards are something found in just about every grand final team in recent memory.

Geelong won with Stengle playing a season of career best footy.
Collingwood won with Elliott and Hill who dominated
Richmond won with an army of small forwards
Melbourne had Pickett kick 40 goals in their prem season, along with Fritsch - more medium size but still.

Even losing grand final teams have had them
Lions with Charlie Cameron and McCarthy (more the pressure type, like a Fogarty but with a bit more big play ability)
Going back Adelaide with Betts
Sydney with Papley

Consistent and score threatening small forwards is a common part found in Grand Final teams. Not many win with just a couple role playing pressure smalls who aren't dangerous scoring threats. I think Fogarty is solid, but alongside him we need someone capable of turning in 35-40 goals.

An x-Factor small forward would be huge for us. Hopefully that's Motlop though he's not shown that consistency yet.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Maybe Fogarty’s lack of goals aren’t a result of skill/ability, but of less opportunity.

Because he plays a mid/forward pressure role, not the role of a crumbing small forward…

 

[BlueJet]

I'm not sure that is true really. Dangerous small forwards are something found in just about every grand final team in recent memory.

Geelong won with Stengle playing a season of career best footy.
Collingwood won with Elliott and Hill who dominated
Richmond won with an army of small forwards
Melbourne had Pickett kick 40 goals in their prem season, along with Fritsch - more medium size but still.

Even losing grand final teams have had them
Lions with Charlie Cameron and McCarthy (more the pressure type, like a Fogarty but with a bit more big play ability)
Going back Adelaide with Betts
Sydney with Papley

Consistent and score threatening small forwards is a common part found in Grand Final teams. Not many win with just a couple role playing pressure smalls who aren't dangerous scoring threats. I think Fogarty is solid, but alongside him we need someone capable of turning in 35-40 goals.

An x-Factor small forward would be huge for us. Hopefully that's Motlop though he's not shown that consistency yet.

That's ok but you've largely highlighted that you don't require an elite small forward to win a flag, which was my point, that it is nice to have but not essential.
Pickett, Fritsch and McCarthy are also essentially undersized lead-up players rather than traditional smalls IMO.
Of those names listed, the ones considered elite have largely ended up in the losers column.
I'm confident that we can get enough from Durdin, Motlop, Owies and Fantasia to get the job done.