List Mgmt. 2025 List Management 📃

[Blue Pulse]

I’d pay over to get Miers at Carlton. The best in the league where we are weakest (delivery/kicking at angle etc)

He would hit half our players in the back of the head because they would be wating for the long bomb to the goal square

 

[Pixelshooter]

My thinking has started to shift the past month or so. I was all chips in on keeping our stars and just recruiting better. But the way our cap is working out and our list profile, it's clear there needs to be some monumental shift in thinking.

TDK is a really good player, but if he's going to free up a bunch of cap space and we get some draft capital in return, I'd thank him and wish him well at the Saints. I'd love to keep him, but not sure we can afford to.

And sadly, I reckon we probably need to shop H around. It'd be great to keep him as well if we could add at least a couple of great, fast and skilful small forwards into our mix...but that's just not going to happen with the way the list and our cap is structured.

If Young and Doc are both in the side, it says a fair bit. Time for upheaval because we're going nowhere fast.

 

[macca_74]

Agreed, I think there is more to work with in Harry than Charlie at this juncture. Charlie looks unfit, disinterested and has become a lazy footballer. He would however demand massive ccy coming back to us for us to agree to a move.
Not ideal but current set up does not work and massive holes in the list need to do something like this to move forward.

I would prefer to keep H over Charlie if choosing one. H’s ability and height combo is hard to find and feel like can build a forward line around that easier. Charlie is more a luxury, icing on the cake type player imo. Not to mention his higher risk for injury issues in medium to long term

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Looking back on this long, long rebuild, at the time and up until a few years ago I thought our drafting/list strategy was sound. Get the spine in place first (Weiters, H, Charlie) as they take the longest to develop, then get everything else.

Unfortunately, we struggled to get everything else in the draft. Absolutely nailed the hard part, then just dropped the ball with every other high pick.

2016, SPS: fail.

2017, Dow and LOB: fail.

2018, Walsh: success but blind freddy could have made that pick. Trading a first for Stocker: fail.

2019, splitting the pick into Kemp and Philp: fail (harsh on Kempy, he's a good player at pick 17 but not what you want when you had pick 11).

2020-2021 no high picks.

2022, Hollands: pass for now.

Add on top of all of this the fact that by the time our spine has developed and in their prime, the league has shifted away from two key forwards to one target with a fleet of smalls, meaning our two star forwards are taking up a lot of cap space for little output, and this list just isn't up to scratch. This is more unfortunate than anything, as I don't know how in 2015 you could have predicted this was the way the league was heading.

Maybe it's the NBA fan in me coming out, as this happens more in that league than ours, but I think if current form keeps up we hit the reset button. Don't push anyone out, but if hypothetically Charlie or Walsh say at the end of the year they wouldn't mind seeing what's out there for them, then don't get in their way and try and get something back. I understand Tassie is coming in etc. etc., but don't forget that they're receiving all of these picks with the contingent that they have to trade some of them. It's poor timing but if we don't do it now, I fear we're going to be in a similar boat 5 years from now saying "why didn't we try and get something for Walsh/Charlie/H/TDK etc. back when we knew we were mediocre?".

Just my two cents.

 

[JK61]

I’m not sure where this narrative that teams are playing with 1 tall forward comes from, every team in the 8 (except Hawks at times) have 2 or 3 talls.

 

[choo]

TDK will bring pick 8ish. Trade that for 12,25,40 or similar
Draft 12
Use 25,40 our 3rd (43) for ISON, Gresham and Dean
Trade McKay for Papley and a pick (or?)
Next year
Jagga, ISON, Gresham Dean (Papley or?) pick 12 + 1mill in the bank
Papley gives us a chance to cash in if we fire next year.
McKay is open to moving ideally interstate

 

[charred_fate]

Strange old world we live in when people think H offers more than Charlie

 

[The Bighouse]

TDK will bring pick 8ish. Trade that for 12,25,40 or similar
Draft 12
Use 25,40 our 3rd (43) for ISON, Gresham and Dean
Trade McKay for Papley and a pick (or?)
Next year
Jagga, ISON, Gresham Dean (Papley or?) pick 12 + 1mill in the bank
Papley gives us a chance to cash in if we fire next year.
McKay is open to moving ideally interstate

Don’t think Papley should be our target (unless free of charge) due to being 30yo next season and seems to be racking up the injuries now.

 

[Blue since 72]

Have to say i’m looking forward to Cincotta coming back into the seniors and building some form.

Bigger body with pace, good decision making, neat skills and can play multiple roles well including defensive half forward who can hurt you in offence to tagger to half back.

I reckon along with Newman Cin has been our most important out.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

1. Take Archer May in the MSD
2. Let TDK go to St Kilda. Get Pick 5-8
3. Trade McKay. Get top 10 Pick and late first
4. Use late first to trade for Miles Bergman
5. Use top 10 picks for midfielder and small forward with pace and ball use
6. Draft Dean, Ison and Gresham.

2026 Team

Newman, Silvagni, O'Farrell
Bergman, Weitering, Saad
O Hollands, Cripps, Walsh
E Hollands, Curnow, Smith
Kemp, May, Williams
O'Keeffe, Hewett, Cerra

Interchange Lord, Carroll, Cottrell, Haynes

Sub: Acres

Others: Cowan, Motlop, Durdin, McGovern, Docherty, Top 10 small forward, Top 10 midfielder, Fogarty, B Camporeale, L Camporeale, Binns, Charleson, Pittonet, White, Carroll, Ison, Gresham, Dean, Lemmey, Moir, Duffy, Boyd, Cincotta, Duffy

Delist: Evans, Fantasia, Monahan
Possible Delist: Boyd, Cincotta, Binns, Duffy, Lemmey, Moir

Please don't @me about the possible delists. I think we can agree nobody is trading for these guys, even though they all offer a skill or potential. Just looking at the next cab off the rank types as much as they may be favourites.

Trade possibilities if we need picks for NGA/FS players: Kemp, Young, Williams, Motlop, Pittonet

Just adding a few injured players back, trading in a good running half back, putting in a budget ruck/forward to rotate with O'Keeffe, and the best 23 looks a lot better. We still lack pace, albeit improved, but we have a shedload of youngsters coming through underneath, some of who are quality early picks.

Very young side, but with enough mature heads to challenge next season with a suitable game plan, and have another window as the youth develop, with Cody Walker to join them in a year's time.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Have to say i’m looking forward to Cincotta coming back into the seniors and building some form.

Bigger body with pace, good decision making, neat skills and can play multiple roles well including defensive half forward who can hurt you in offence to tagger to half back.

I reckon along with Newman Cin has been our most important out.

His ability to negate opposition run will be crucial. He's also got some mongrel in him.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

His ability to negate opposition run will be crucial. He's also got some mongrel in him.

And can kick a goal

 

[Gavstar]

I would prefer to keep H over Charlie if choosing one. H’s ability and height combo is hard to find and feel like can build a forward line around that easier. Charlie is more a luxury, icing on the cake type player imo. Not to mention his higher risk for injury issues in medium to long term

High risk strategy going with H, 4 concussions in 2 years + depression is not a good combo. He is the most likely player to be retired early in our team.

Think of the pressure on Harry as the sole focus in the forward line. I would not want that falling on him.

I would trade Harry before Charlie.

 

[Benaly28]

Strange old world we live in when people think H offers more than Charlie

Strange old world when people think we should trade Charlie.

Game plan IS our biggest issue.We probably should be called the Carlton long bombs.

 

[Gavstar]

Strange old world when people think we should trade Charlie.

Game plan IS our biggest issue.We probably should be called the Carlton long bombs.

Gary Lyon has a point, Goodwin made changes to personnel and game plan to fix Melbourne’s problems especially forward entries. If he can do it in season surely Voss can do the same we have two Coleman medallist’s to work with.

 

[Blue Reaper]

Have to say i’m looking forward to Cincotta coming back into the seniors and building some form.

Bigger body with pace, good decision making, neat skills and can play multiple roles well including defensive half forward who can hurt you in offence to tagger to half back.

I reckon along with Newman Cin has been our most important out.

I definitely underestimated the impact of Newman out. Thought we’d have him covered, but we’ve absolutely missed him.

 

[Coops93]

I wouldn't be surprised if we ask Cripps if he wants to go around a re-tweak/mini rebuild, or if he'd like to chase a premiership somewhere - no inclination of pushing him out, just an open honest conversation. If he chooses to chase a chip elsewhere, shake hands and thanks for everything. If he wants to stay, all the better. I'd expect he'd stay tbh, but at least have the conversation.

I don't think Charlie has the value we think he might. Only once since the start of last season has he kicked more than 4. He has super hot 15 minutes where he kicks 2 or 3, only to drift into the background again. With his injury history and age, I don't think many clubs will be queueing up to give up multiple premium picks.

Harry McKay

10

Harry Mckay

Age

28

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

on the other hand, I think maybe would be more attractive. He's bigger (Charlie is a small KPP), Harry is legit KPP size and even ruck size. The role flexibility in being a 2nd ruck and good down the line target, along with his steady bill of health, would be more attractive. I could see Sydney or Brisbane really wanting Harry.

 

[JK61]

Have to say i’m looking forward to Cincotta coming back into the seniors and building some form.

Bigger body with pace, good decision making, neat skills and can play multiple roles well including defensive half forward who can hurt you in offence to tagger to half back.

I reckon along with Newman Cin has been our most important out.

Cinc’s negating roles on some of the opposition stars was significant in our best wins last year.

 

[ctwenty1]

1. Take Archer May in the MSD
2. Let TDK go to St Kilda. Get Pick 5-8
3. Trade McKay. Get top 10 Pick and late first
4. Use late first to trade for Miles Bergman
5. Use top 10 picks for midfielder and small forward with pace and ball use
6. Draft Dean, Ison and Gresham.

2026 Team

Newman, Silvagni, O'Farrell
Bergman, Weitering, Saad
O Hollands, Cripps, Walsh
E Hollands, Curnow, Smith
Kemp, May, Williams
O'Keeffe, Hewett, Cerra

Interchange Lord, Carroll, Cottrell, Haynes

Sub: Acres

Others: Cowan, Motlop, Durdin, McGovern, Docherty, Top 10 small forward, Top 10 midfielder, Fogarty, B Camporeale, L Camporeale, Binns, Charleson, Pittonet, White, Carroll, Ison, Gresham, Dean, Lemmey, Moir, Duffy, Boyd, Cincotta, Duffy

Delist: Evans, Fantasia, Monahan
Possible Delist: Boyd, Cincotta, Binns, Duffy, Lemmey, Moir

Please don't @me about the possible delists. I think we can agree nobody is trading for these guys, even though they all offer a skill or potential. Just looking at the next cab off the rank types as much as they may be favourites.

Trade possibilities if we need picks for NGA/FS players: Kemp, Young, Williams, Motlop, Pittonet

Just adding a few injured players back, trading in a good running half back, putting in a budget ruck/forward to rotate with O'Keeffe, and the best 23 looks a lot better. We still lack pace, albeit improved, but we have a shedload of youngsters coming through underneath, some of who are quality early picks.

Very young side, but with enough mature heads to challenge next season with a suitable game plan, and have another window as the youth develop, with Cody Walker to join them in a year's time.

Reckon we shoudl persist with Lemmey but not too much to argue with

We've had the core list around for awhile and the consistency of performance is just not there - needs a rejig

 

[BlueJet]

Strange old world we live in when people think H offers more than Charlie

Not really. Both are Coleman winners when played out of the square but H offers greater positional flexibility & plays a more team-first role.

 

[Rippa Crippa]

Strange old world when people think we should trade Charlie.

Game plan IS our biggest issue.We probably should be called the Carlton long bombs.

Elite small or tall forward won't make a difference if our entries are crap.
Do we really need different players in our forward half?
Or just better delivery.

 

[Rippa Crippa]

Elite small or tall forward won't make a difference if our entries are crap.
Do we really need different players in our forward half?
Or just better delivery.

Agree with what you say

 

[DangerousD]

I’m not sure where this narrative that teams are playing with 1 tall forward comes from, every team in the 8 (except Hawks at times) have 2 or 3 talls.

The narrative isn’t really that teams are playing with 1 tall, its how much money they have tied up in that area.

Coll: Mcstay, Cox, Mihocek (these 3 are probably on the same combined as Charlie)
Brisbane: Hipwood and Morris (Morriss is on his 1st contract so peanuts)
GC: King and Walter (Walter on his 1st contract so not much)
ADE: Thilthorpe, Walker (Walker on his last legs wouldn’t be on much)
Gee: Cameron and Neale (Cameron if still on his original 5 year deal is on good $$$ but i doubt Neale is)

It would be easier to ask, what other club has as much $$$$$ invested in two key forwards similar to us? I think its a really clear, none of them, maybe that’s why other teams continue to go past us.

 

[Rippa Crippa]

Elite small or tall forward won't make a difference if our entries are crap.
Do we really need different players in our forward half?
Or just better delivery.

 

[DangerousD]

Have to say i’m looking forward to Cincotta coming back into the seniors and building some form.

Bigger body with pace, good decision making, neat skills and can play multiple roles well including defensive half forward who can hurt you in offence to tagger to half back.

I reckon along with Newman Cin has been our most important out.

I see him as being ripe for delisting, seems to do some good things but then you look deeper, a player who doesnt get the ball, doesnt offer much, you dont hurt the opposition off half back when you average 11 possessions a game, same goes as a mid.