Hugh Jackson

[Peninsula Boy]

Only knock on him is his fitness.

Started extremely well against Freo and faded
Started extremely well against Carlton and faded

It is more than likely the reason he was made to wait, to build up his fitness.

The other thing to consider is that given how much football he's missed, they wanted to give him some time to find form and build up a body of work as well. It's easy to look at it now and say "Why didn't he play earlier" - when the body of work likely helped him to play at this level now. If you threw him in Round 1, would he have produced? Possibly, but I think he's been managed reasonably well. The only issue is that it was Mead that had the spot in the meantime, and how poor he was. But The handling of Jackson himself has been pretty decent.

I disagree.

Even though he has been riddled with injury, a player like Jackson should have been chosen over middling scrubs like Francis Evans, Jed McEntee and Quinton Narkle last year.

By all accounts on this forum, he's showed great form in the SANFL and Hinkley has taken too long to see what this kid has.

 

[RangaInTeal]

I disagree.

Even though he has been riddled with injury, a player like Jackson should have been chosen over middling scrubs like Francis Evans, Jed McEntee and Quinton Narkle last year.

By all accounts on this forum, he's showed great form in the SANFL and Hinkley has taken too long to see what this kid has.

We have, under Hinkley, not called ‘these’ kids up when we should have. Have been to heavily invested in the Greyhound Syndo and boys club…

 

[PJ Power]

There is no excuse for not having got an extra 5-10 games into both Jackson and Lorenz instead of McEntee and Mead over the past two seasons. Shit coaching.

 

[The Hobo]

We have, under Hinkley, not called ‘these’ kids up when we should have. Have been to heavily invested in the Greyhound Syndo and boys club…

Knock him all you want, but not playing kids is not something you can accuse him of. He has played absolutely raw kids time and time again.

We played most of our draftees this season very early on. Has done the same historically.

If he wasn't playing them, there was a reason.

Ppl need to stop letting their hatred towards Hinkely from clouding their judgement.

 

[NoddyHolder]

Ppl need to stop letting their hatred towards Hinkely from clouding their judgement.

Kenny's tenure's been pretty faultless. We've been lucky to have him.

 

[The Hobo]

Kenny's tenure's been pretty faultless. We've been lucky to have him.

Never said that

 

[Tibbs]

Knock him all you want, but not playing kids is not something you can accuse him of. He has played absolutely raw kids time and time again.

We played most of our draftees this season very early on. Has done the same historically.

If he wasn't playing them, there was a reason.

Ppl need to stop letting their hatred towards Hinkely from clouding their judgement.

Hinkley's reputation for "playing the kids" is just a misnomer! he has always been willing to play the high-profile, high draft picks - From Wines, until now, eg, Berry. Big fricken' deal!

We have also seen him give most of the mid-season draftees a go if they have shown something. Nice! But then for some reason, these "no-name" mid-tier draftees like, Lorenz, Jackson, etc, who, when they show something at SANFL level, get overlooked while he just keeps sticking with the likes of players like McEntee, FEvens, Narkle, et-al.

He has done the same, year in and year out - Keeps playing players that are clearly no good, and who then get cut at year's end, when he could have been getting games into young players with potential. Exact same for rucks (think Ladhams), and tall forwards (think Dixon).

Every time some noob commentator says "Hinkley always plays the kids," I want to puke!

 

[jonasshirtfront]

Hinkley's reputation for "playing the kids" is just a misnomer! he has always been willing to play the high-profile, high draft picks - From Wines, until now, eg, Berry. Big fricken' deal!

We have also seen him give most of the mid-season draftees a go if they have shown something. Nice! But then for some reason, these "no-name" mid-tier draftees like, Lorenz, Jackson, etc, who, when they show something at SANFL level, get overlooked while he just keeps sticking with the likes of players like McEntee, FEvens, Narkle, et-al.

He has done the same, year in and year out - Keeps playing players that are clearly no good, and who then get cut at year's end, when he could have been getting games into young players with potential. Exact same for rucks (think Ladhams), and tall forwards (think Dixon).

Every time some noob commentator says "Hinkley always plays the kids," I want to puke!

Kenny will play the kids as long as they're half back flankers, any other position he has no idea about how it works.

 

[philthy05]

Knock him all you want, but not playing kids is not something you can accuse him of. He has played absolutely raw kids time and time again.

We played most of our draftees this season very early on. Has done the same historically.

If he wasn't playing them, there was a reason.

Ppl need to stop letting their hatred towards Hinkely from clouding their judgement.

Lol what raw kids has he played time and again?

the young kids he has played early have been early first round talent that any and every club in the league would have pumped 22 games into from day one.


like what club wouldn’t have played rozee butters duursma wines and Mitch from day one?

But we see around the league many teams already playing their less high profile youngsters, and its regular thing rather than a one off.

 

[Scodges]

You're right, I'm watching the 4th now. The blocks, intercepts, tackles and releasing handballs in congestion. The game was dead and buried but that's pure midfield craft. Stuff that Ollie's been doing his whole career. Makes it even more baffling we chose not to play him last week when we needed the extra midfield body with Ollie out.

And that’s the thing, who’s actually signing off on these selections , baffling

 

[RangaInTeal]

Knock him all you want, but not playing kids is not something you can accuse him of. He has played absolutely raw kids time and time again.

We played most of our draftees this season very early on. Has done the same historically.

If he wasn't playing them, there was a reason.

Ppl need to stop letting their hatred towards Hinkely from clouding their judgement.

Yeah, unfortunately I’ll respectfully disagree. He has always been happy to play the first round draftees early. It’s the next tier down that he struggles with. The same as the sugar hit Mod Season draftees that walk in after selection. There have been many of ‘kids’ deserving of a taste of Leauge footy in Hinkley’s teams over the years that have just ended up on the scrap heap without any exposure.

Jesse Palmer was deserving of a taste, from memory Cam Hewett could have been exposed, Jake Pasini, Joel Garner, watching Lorenz and Jackson cop the same treatment now…

How many went on to stellar careers, none, how many Premisemrhips we won by not playing them, none… would have anyone won a Brownlow medal, probably not, but did those that played in front of these guys achieve ANYTHING?

Give me Bevo who looks to build a list all capable of filling a role, over the over reliance on few individual stars to win footy off their own boot.

 

[RangaInTeal]

Yeah, unfortunately I’ll respectfully disagree. He has always been happy to play the first round draftees early. It’s the next tier down that he struggles with. The same as the sugar hit Mod Season draftees that walk in after selection. There have been many of ‘kids’ deserving of a taste of Leauge footy in Hinkley’s teams over the years that have just ended up on the scrap heap without any exposure.

Jesse Palmer was deserving of a taste, from memory Cam Hewett could have been exposed, Jake Pasini, Joel Garner, watching Lorenz and Jackson cop the same treatment now…

How many went on to stellar careers, none, how many Premisemrhips we won by not playing them, none… would have anyone won a Brownlow medal, probably not, but did those that played in front of these guys achieve ANYTHING?

Give me Bevo who looks to build a list all capable of filling a role, over the over reliance on few individual stars to win footy off their own boot.

Should have continued to read the thread

 

[The Hobo]

Yeah, unfortunately I’ll respectfully disagree. He has always been happy to play the first round draftees early. It’s the next tier down that he struggles with. The same as the sugar hit Mod Season draftees that walk in after selection. There have been many of ‘kids’ deserving of a taste of Leauge footy in Hinkley’s teams over the years that have just ended up on the scrap heap without any exposure.

Jesse Palmer was deserving of a taste, from memory Cam Hewett could have been exposed, Jake Pasini, Joel Garner, watching Lorenz and Jackson cop the same treatment now…

How many went on to stellar careers, none, how many Premisemrhips we won by not playing them, none… would have anyone won a Brownlow medal, probably not, but did those that played in front of these guys achieve ANYTHING?

Give me Bevo who looks to build a list all capable of filling a role, over the over reliance on few individual stars to win footy off their own boot.

Tom Cochrane was not an early pick, yet he got games in his first season, and early on as well.
Logan Evans is not an early pick, he came straight in
Liddy (though not young, not an early pick)

Some of the names mentioned did get games and didn't show a whole lot.

Palmer played 3 games, was ok - nothing to suggest he would make it
Pasini was said to be very close prior to doing his knee and never becoming the player we hoped for.
Garner played 4 games, probably the one on the list that may have been able to carve out something of a career, but just never had anything special to differentiate him from the next guy.

Lorenz has had a few games including being played in a final. No doubt he will get some more games, and even if he doesn't - I'm not convinced he's ever going to be any better than Mead. Everyone will scoff, but how often have we overrated our kids on here, only for them to spud it up in the AFL. Looks like he will be a handy player for sure, but not convinced he's going to be a 200 gamer.

Jackson has had all sorts of injury issues over his time, so hard to blame Ken for delaying his introduction into the side. This season is probably the first time he's put a decent run of games together, and no doubt they delayed it a little to make sure his body was right. He's got close to the side a few times in the past, but has always been derailed by injury. The difference between Jackson and every other name on this list is that he's performed when he's had his chance. Everyone else on your list came in, wasn't horrible, but that was about it.

The question isn't "how many went on to stellar careers" - the question is how many even made another AFL list.

Do you really think that scouts from other clubs aren't monitoring all of these guys? They would have eyes on every single player on an AFL list that's not getting games to try and snag a bargain. They would be watching most state games and identifying potential talent. So if nobody has rushed in and grabbed these guys, it suggests that they weren't worth chasing.

They're all decent players, but none were worth persisting with. If they're not getting games, it's because they're probably not ready yet - despite the armchair experts on here suggesting otherwise.

 

[The Hobo]

Lol what raw kids has he played time and again?

the young kids he has played early have been early first round talent that any and every club in the league would have pumped 22 games into from day one.


like what club wouldn’t have played rozee butters duursma wines and Mitch from day one?

But we see around the league many teams already playing their less high profile youngsters, and its regular thing rather than a one off.

Tom Cochrane - rookie pick, plays in his first season until injury ended his season
Picked up 3x mid season picks this season, plays Liddy who was the last of the MSD
Logan Evans MSD and still very young and raw
Jase Burgoyne Pick 60 - played in his first season
Visentini Pick 56 - Played his first game out of necessity, but has been played over two "senior" rucks that the club traded in. Is still very raw for a ruckman
Kane Farrell - Pick 51, played 5 games in his first season
Snelling - Rookie Draft - played in his first season


A number of others played in their second season.

It's almost like they get games if they're ready and showing something, or fill a need - regardless of their draft position.
I maintain that Ken has never been afraid to play the kids. Early draft picks are more likely to be ready to go, so it's no surprise that he's played them more consistently than later picks, who are often not ready yet (or ever).

 

[Waspy79]

For another thread but Hinkley inexplicably picked first year rookie Todd Marshall

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Todd Marshall

Age

27

Ht

198cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

2.5

2star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

8.9

2star

K

7.1

3star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.6

5star

to play ahead of Jackson Trengove

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Jackson Trengove

Age

35

Ht

197cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.5

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

7.2

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

167.1

3star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

4.0

5star

MG

16.0

1star

D

9.8

3star

K

2.6

1star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

3.4

5star

in the 2017 elimination final. The rest is history.

 

[philthy05]

Tom Cochrane - rookie pick, plays in his first season until injury ended his season
Picked up 3x mid season picks this season, plays Liddy who was the last of the MSD
Logan Evans MSD and still very young and raw
Jase Burgoyne Pick 60 - played in his first season
Visentini Pick 56 - Played his first game out of necessity, but has been played over two "senior" rucks that the club traded in. Is still very raw for a ruckman
Kane Farrell - Pick 51, played 5 games in his first season
Snelling - Rookie Draft - played in his first season


A number of others played in their second season.

It's almost like they get games if they're ready and showing something, or fill a need - regardless of their draft position.
I maintain that Ken has never been afraid to play the kids. Early draft picks are more likely to be ready to go, so it's no surprise that he's played them more consistently than later picks, who are often not ready yet (or ever).

You’ve named 6 dudes and Hinkley has been here for over a decade. And some of those are debatable. Evans was a mature aged pickup, still young but he’s been booted this year and barely played.

Vis has gotten a few games and he’s not been up against quality holding him out. Most if not all teams are blooding rucks as early or earlier than vis. He’s played 13 games at the age of 22. Thats not bad but it’s not early either.

This is hardly evidence to the contrary

Especially when you ask what other young rucks did he back in during his time here.. lol

 

[The Hobo]

You’ve named 6 dudes and Hinkley has been here for over a decade. And some of those are debatable. Evans was a mature aged pickup, still young but he’s been booted this year and barely played.

Vis has gotten a few games and he’s not been up against quality holding him out. Most if not all teams are blooding rucks as early or earlier than vis. He’s played 13 games at the age of 22. Thats not bad but it’s not early either.

This is hardly evidence to the contrary.

Evans was not a mature aged pick up at all. He was over looked in the 2023 national draft, and picked up in the 2024 mid season - 6 months, same first year. He's still only 19.

The counter argument of 'dudes' that should have got games when they didn't was even less. Who are these dudes that deserved games??

Nobody can name players that did not develop because of Hinkley, but are apparently happy to say Hinkley can't develop players.

 

[philthy05]

For another thread but Hinkley inexplicably picked first year rookie Todd Marshall to play ahead of Jackson Trengove in the 2017 elimination final. The rest is history.

Again with this furphy. You’ve been corrected in this before.

Todd wasn’t picked ahead of Trengove , Todd was already in the team in the weeks leading up.

It was impey who had been out of the side who was competing for a position with Trengove and Hinkley went with the small deciding he was going to best the tallest team and known intercepting markers with speed.

Todd should have been the 3rd tall, not the 2nd tall competing against the best tall defense in the league.

Impey did sfa that game as he had all year before leaving us that offseason.

 

[rainwizard39]

Tom Cochrane - rookie pick, plays in his first season until injury ended his season
Picked up 3x mid season picks this season, plays Liddy who was the last of the MSD
Logan Evans MSD and still very young and raw
Jase Burgoyne Pick 60 - played in his first season
Visentini Pick 56 - Played his first game out of necessity, but has been played over two "senior" rucks that the club traded in. Is still very raw for a ruckman
Kane Farrell - Pick 51, played 5 games in his first season
Snelling - Rookie Draft - played in his first season


A number of others played in their second season.

It's almost like they get games if they're ready and showing something, or fill a need - regardless of their draft position.
I maintain that Ken has never been afraid to play the kids. Early draft picks are more likely to be ready to go, so it's no surprise that he's played them more consistently than later picks, who are often not ready yet (or ever).

Really bragging about a few flankers and a minimal amount of talls only because he needed to?

Visentini debuting because Lycett was a late out, and Snelling getting a throwaway final-season game (also not even in his first year), isn’t a good point.

We’ll see Faul, West, Trainor, Whitlock Shannahan and Armstrong debut this year but will we see our Whitlock debut even though there’s been lots of opportunities? We all know he’s no chance.

 

[The Hobo]

Really bragging about a few flankers and a minimal amount of talls only because he needed to?

Visentini debuting because Lycett was a late out, and Snelling getting a throwaway final-season game (also not even in his first year), isn’t a good point.

We’ll see Faul, West, Trainor, Whitlock Shannahan and Armstrong debut this year but will we see our Whitlock debut even though there’s been lots of opportunities? We all know he’s no chance.

I ask again - who are the "non flanker" players we drafted that you expected him to develop and give games to that he didn't?

Naming a bunch of talls that have played for 3 teams undergoing full rebuilds is not exactly the same situation as what we're in.

Talls take longer to develop - so it's rare for them to play in their first season unless they're particularly talented, or the team is rebuilding or desperate. There's no need to rush Whitlock. Would be happy for him to get a few games this season, but wouldn't be the end of the world if he doesn't either.

 

[Portology]

Again with this furphy. You’ve been corrected in this before.

Todd wasn’t picked ahead of Trengove , Todd was already in the team in the weeks leading up.

It was impey who had been out of the side who was competing for a position with Trengove and Hinkley went with the small deciding he was going to best the tallest team and known intercepting markers with speed.

Todd should have been the 3rd tall, not the 2nd tall competing against the best tall defense in the league.

Impey did sfa that game as he had all year before leaving us that offseason.

sorry for continuing the OT but Chad's utter lack of composure on two occasions in the last couple of minutes was fairly ordinary as well.

 

[rainwizard39]

I ask again - who are the "non flanker" players we drafted that you expected him to develop and give games to that he didn't?

Naming a bunch of talls that have played for 3 teams undergoing full rebuilds is not exactly the same situation as what we're in.

Talls take longer to develop - so it's rare for them to play in their first season unless they're particularly talented, or the team is rebuilding or desperate. There's no need to rush Whitlock. Would be happy for him to get a few games this season, but wouldn't be the end of the world if he doesn't either.

Kind of a useless conversation when you’re being dishonest.

Charlie West plays for Collingwood you know that, right? Whitlock was taken higher too.

So we’ve had to recruit all our starting tall defenders from other clubs, all of them debuted within three seasons at other clubs, but we couldn’t try our own? Howard was our last successful tall defender we debuted, and Ken was forced to play him because of Ryder’s ban and Lobbe’s injury. Crazy what happens when you actually give players a go, right?

He’s done the bare minimum debuting players, and I’d bet he’s the worst when it comes to talls, yet you’re so defensive of Ken’s choices.

 

[Tibbs]

I ask again - who are the "non flanker" players we drafted that you expected him to develop and give games to that he didn't?

Naming a bunch of talls that have played for 3 teams undergoing full rebuilds is not exactly the same situation as what we're in.

Talls take longer to develop - so it's rare for them to play in their first season unless they're particularly talented, or the team is rebuilding or desperate. There's no need to rush Whitlock. Would be happy for him to get a few games this season, but wouldn't be the end of the world if he doesn't either.

I will give you some examples that

1] From the start of his tenure, he stuck with players that would eventually get cut rather than try other developing talent:
Kane Mitchell
Jake Neade
Sam Gray
Cam Sutcliffe
Jed McEntee
Jackson Meade
Francis Evans
Quinton Narkle
No problems giving these guys a few games. But when it was obvious they didnt have it, why not give another a shot? No, he played them right to their "death."
2] Playing Dixon/Finlayson ruck combo when 1st ruck was injured, rather than give Sam Hayes a go
3] Playing any one of our developing talls when Dixon or Marshall were injured

There are more examples, but to label Hinkley as a prime example of a coach that "plays the kids" is totally wrong! Yes, he has done so at times, but his record is not good at all. There are many other coaches far better at this, that are willing to give young talent a go to see if their game suits AFL.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

2] Playing Dixon/Finlayson ruck combo when 1st ruck was injured, rather than give Sam Hayes a go

Sam Hayes played games ahead as the ruck ahead of the Dixon/Finlayson combo.

We only went with the Dixon/Finlayson combo after dropping Hayes, because the team was getting smashed at the stoppages (unless we were playing sides like West Coast).

Some of the commentary in here is weird. We should pump games into the 22 year old Hugh Jackson. But we haven't because Ken Hinkley doesn't play kids he instead of plays guys like Francis Evans (21-22 years old while he was at Port), or Jed McEntee (21-23 years old), or Jackson Mead (who will turn 24 later in the year).

Narkle is older being in his late 20s. But Narkle's SANFL returns were better than the kids and demanded selection ahead of them.

We've even had people on here talking about how Hugh Jackson has been selected on the back of "record low possesions in the SANFL".

 

[The Hobo]

I will give you some examples that
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You've given me examples of everything except what I asked for