Rumour Bluemour Discussion XL - ‘Silly Season’ in full swing 😱

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[katmanblue]

Who




Never heard of him

I stand by my comment.

 

[Stamos]

True, but he doesn't play like one

He can kick like one

 

[Blue_Fusion]

TBH only one of them is a $2 million player.

I get that, but if I'm Sam Walsh, I'm getting big offers from multiple clubs...

Then I see Carlton giving someone else a massive offer...

And coming to me with a lot less (because we need to take less for success)

But you want me to be the captain...

I'm thinking, well **** you... I've given my all since I got here, and other clubs clearly value me more...

It's def a risk when it comes to getting Butters... are we willing to accept that?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Yeah his form over 5 years did that

Rocking up 20kgs overweight on an 800k contract might have done the trick

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Where are you getting 2 mil from, dogs have apprently offered him 1.6, Collingwood would not be able to give 2 mill and neither would geelong and hawthorn.
That forward line would be more then enough in the tall department might even still be able to get the 3 first rounders and still add Hayward from Sydney, and tbh I think the players would be rapt by all reports the drama going on at the club is we didnt bring in a A grade player last year, imaging the players if we lose curnow and dont bring in a gun to replace him, if im walsh your looking at the team with absolute no hope and leaving for that reason

Common sense...

Essendon could offer him a monster deal...

You always need to pay a premium to pry a star out of another club.

I will be shocked if he isn't getting $2M+ offers.

"The tall department" isn't all you need to have sorted for a functioning forward line... our medium and small forwards are severely lacking...

Walsh has many reasons to want to leave and tbh, I wouldn't blame him...

 

[agro]

The same Khamis that gave Charlie a bath earlier in the year when we played the Bulldogs?

There’s nothing like recruiting a player that played well against us - it’s been a KPI of our recruiting playbook since we got Brent Heaver.

And for all Boomer supporters since we got Peter McKenna

 

[The Raging Potato]

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Fixed that for you all

I hope for Blues supporters sake that Carlton are in the mix for Butters but just letting you know that Torin (Baker) and Butters are friends. Torin recruited and coached Butters at Maribyrnong Sports Academy. Torin is in regular contact with heaps of his past players and people he has mentored.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

The reason no offers have been put forward yet is quite simple...

It is very difficult for Sydney, GC and Geelong to:

• Find a player they'd be willing to trade that we won't laugh at
• Convince said player to leave their more successful environment to join a Carlton side that's on a downhill trajectory

Hayward has openly stated he would be willing to be part of a trade... but Sydney are reluctant to include him.

Of course, I suspect this is just posturing at this point and eventually they will cave when they realise that adding Curnow to their line up far outweighs the cons of losing Hayward and a couple 1st round picks.

But right now, it's just them holding their cards close to see if we approach them which I doubt we will. When the trade period draws closer to the finish line, they will come knocking with the rumoured offer imo.

 

[Carltonfc9]

Common sense...

Essendon could offer him a monster deal...

You always need to pay a premium to pry a star out of another club.

I will be shocked if he isn't getting $2M+ offers.

"The tall department" isn't all you need to have sorted for a functioning forward line... our medium and small forwards are severely lacking...

Walsh has many reasons to want to leave and tbh, I wouldn't blame him...

100% essendon can but he seems like the type of player that would want the good pay cheque and still be able to win games.

Its also not money driven him wanting to leave bloke just wants to go home.

talls is all we have so our talls would still be functional and add another year into moir.
Also dont think its unreasonable thinking we can't get Hayward and 3 first rounders if Sydney are desperate.
Atleast we would have a functioning midfield

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I hope for Blues supporters sake that Carlton are in the mix for Butters but just letting you know that Torin (Baker) and Butters are friends. Torin recruited and coached Butters at Maribyrnong Sports Academy. Torin is in regular contact with heaps of his past players and people he has mentored.

We are under no illusion that Butters being spotted with Torin means absolutely nothing in terms of Butters requesting a trade to Carlton... all just a bit of fun in silly season, first week of trade period is always pretty stale in terms of the big names.

 

[BlueTongue]

There’s nothing like recruiting a player that played well against us - it’s been a KPI of our recruiting playbook since we got Brent Heaver.

And for all Boomer supporters since we got Peter McKenna

Also debuted against us

 

[Blue_Fusion]

100% essendon can but he seems like the type of player that would want the good pay cheque and still be able to win games.

Rules us out then...

Its also not money driven him wanting to leave bloke just wants to go home.

Of course, but he will have 10 Victorian clubs coming to him with offers so he's obviously going to be more inclined to join the club with the biggest offers...

talls is all we have so our talls would still be functional and add another year into moir.
Also dont think its unreasonable thinking we can't get Hayward and 3 first rounders if Sydney are desperate.
Atleast we would have a functioning midfield

Hayward and THREE 1st rounders? No chance.

Best offer we will get is #11 + F1(Swans) + Hayward for Charlie + F2

If we can swing that F2 down to F3, well all the better.

Now, with that F1(Swans) we most likely need to combine that with our 2026 1st to match the Walker bid.

So, Port match the offer, force a trade, we have nothing they'd want unless we let go of another star player...

I love the idea of adding Butters to our line up, I really do... but I'm also realistic about where our list is at right now, and unfortunately, it is not the right time to make a move for a peak star player imo

 

[WalshYouLegend]

Butters to carlton confirmed

 

[KingCharles]

The reason no offers have been put forward yet is quite simple...

It is very difficult for Sydney, GC and Geelong to:

• Find a player they'd be willing to trade that we won't laugh at
• Convince said player to leave their more successful environment to join a Carlton side that's on a downhill trajectory

Hayward has openly stated he would be willing to be part of a trade... but Sydney are reluctant to include him.

Of course, I suspect this is just posturing at this point and eventually they will cave when they realise that adding Curnow to their line up far outweighs the cons of losing Hayward and a couple 1st round picks.

But right now, it's just them holding their cards close to see if we approach them which I doubt we will. When the trade period draws closer to the finish line, they will come knocking with the rumoured offer imo.

We are not on a downward trajectory. We have been but not anymore. You will see a different team next year

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

We are under no illusion that Butters being spotted with Torin means absolutely nothing in terms of Butters requesting a trade to Carlton... all just a bit of fun in silly season, first week of trade period is always pretty stale in terms of the big names.

YOU MEAN WE'RE NOT GETTING BUTTERS?!!?

 

[Carltonfc9]

Rules us out then...



Of course, but he will have 10 Victorian clubs coming to him with offers so he's obviously going to be more inclined to join the club with the biggest offers...



Hayward and THREE 1st rounders? No chance.

Best offer we will get is #11 + F1(Swans) + Hayward for Charlie + F2

If we can swing that F2 down to F3, well all the better.

Now, with that F1(Swans) we most likely need to combine that with our 2026 1st to match the Walker bid.

So, Port match the offer, force a trade, we have nothing they'd want unless we let go of another star player...

I love the idea of adding Butters to our line up, I really do... but I'm also realistic about where our list is at right now, and unfortunately, it is not the right time to make a move for a peak star player imo

We arnt falling off the cliff settle down if we can stay injury free we are still a team fighting for top 8.
Mate I really dont understand this "its not the right time to add a star" if you can convince one of the best mids in the game who is 25 to come to your club you take him no matter what it would set up our midfield for the next 6 years and attract future player to come its the way forward with how the game is going, you have to be able to attract players or your club will never get better

 

[passmark]

Rocking up 20kgs overweight on an 800k contract might have done the trick

Williams did the same.

Absolutely taking the piss.

 

[passmark]

We are under no illusion that Butters being spotted with Torin means absolutely nothing in terms of Butters requesting a trade to Carlton... all just a bit of fun in silly season, first week of trade period is always pretty stale in terms of the big names.

So you’re telling me there’s a chance!

 

[Blue_Fusion]

We are not on a downward trajectory. We have been but not anymore. You will see a different team next year

3rd -> 8th -> 11th says otherwise...

Different isn't always better either.

What we need now is patience. No matter which way you look at it, you don't lose TDK, JSOS and Charlie Curnow and get better unless you replace them with equal or greater players.

Draft picks are not that in their first few seasons.

I know what some are saying:

- TDK played shit anyway! Yeah well, as true as that is, relying on Pitto as main ruck hurts our midfield even more and Reidy is a 25yr old unknown at AFL level...

- JSOS was injured half the season. Again, true, but with the loss of HOF, losing Jack as well really kills our KPD depth. There's also the apparent shopping around of Gov (not that he's much chop anyway)... but we will be severely lacking in KPD options next year... if Weiters goes down expect to finish bottom 2.

- Charlie played shit! Again, another fact but a shit Charlie Curnow is still something that causes opposition to plan for and at the very least, he takes the opponent's best key defender every week. This burden will now be placed on Harry and he hasn't even played 1 full season since we drafted him...

- Then there's the fact that our midfield is one-paced and one dimensional among a host of other issues with it...

- Then there's the lack of small and medium forward talent.

Add to that the core group that are 30+ that we still have an unhealthy reliance on and it's very hard to see where the improvement will come from next year.

I know it's tough to hear, but we are years away from having a side that can win a flag.

 

[BIuebagger]

I reckon CC deal talks transpire over the weekend. I’d be surprised to see Sydney not have a crack by Wednesday 7.30pm. Chris Keane seemed pretty transparent that they are going to.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

3rd -> 8th -> 11th says otherwise...

Different isn't always better either.

What we need now is patience. No matter which way you look at it, you don't lose TDK, JSOS and Charlie Curnow and get better unless you replace them with equal or greater players.

Draft picks are not that in their first few seasons.

I know what some are saying:

- TDK played shit anyway! Yeah well, as true as that is, relying on Pitto as main ruck hurts our midfield even more and Reidy is a 25yr old unknown at AFL level...

- JSOS was injured half the season. Again, true, but with the loss of HOF, losing Jack as well really kills our KPD depth. There's also the apparent shopping around of Gov (not that he's much chop anyway)... but we will be severely lacking in KPD options next year... if Weiters goes down expect to finish bottom 2.

- Charlie played shit! Again, another fact but a shit Charlie Curnow is still something that causes opposition to plan for and at the very least, he takes the opponent's best key defender every week. This burden will now be placed on Harry and he hasn't even played 1 full season since we drafted him...

- Then there's the fact that our midfield is one-paced and one dimensional among a host of other issues with it...

- Then there's the lack of small and medium forward talent.

Add to that the core group that are 30+ that we still have an unhealthy reliance on and it's very hard to see where the improvement will come from next year.

I know it's tough to hear, but we are years away from having a side that can win a flag.

In your opinion

 

[Tazblue]

There’s nothing like recruiting a player that played well against us - it’s been a KPI of our recruiting playbook since we got Brent Heaver.

And for all Boomer supporters since we got Peter McKenna

Sean Charles

 

[Blue_Fusion]

We arnt falling off the cliff settle down if we can stay injury free we are still a team fighting for top 8.
Mate I really dont understand this "its not the right time to add a star" if you can convince one of the best mids in the game who is 25 to come to your club you take him no matter what it would set up our midfield for the next 6 years and attract future player to come its the way forward with how the game is going, you have to be able to attract players or your club will never get better

No matter what? Are you sure about that?

So, if it means missing Walker because we have to use the draft capital as part of the trade?

If it means Walsh walks?

If the rest of the list still needs to be reset in key areas?

I'll just say this, as something to think about, we got Judd... where'd that get us? Sure we improved, but we didn't even make a prelim let alone come close to winning a flag...

 

[Blue_Fusion]

In your opinion

Yeah, welcome to a footy discussion forum...

 

[KingCharles]

3rd -> 8th -> 11th says otherwise...

Different isn't always better either.

What we need now is patience. No matter which way you look at it, you don't lose TDK, JSOS and Charlie Curnow and get better unless you replace them with equal or greater players.

Draft picks are not that in their first few seasons.

I know what some are saying:

- TDK played shit anyway! Yeah well, as true as that is, relying on Pitto as main ruck hurts our midfield even more and Reidy is a 25yr old unknown at AFL level...

- JSOS was injured half the season. Again, true, but with the loss of HOF, losing Jack as well really kills our KPD depth. There's also the apparent shopping around of Gov (not that he's much chop anyway)... but we will be severely lacking in KPD options next year... if Weiters goes down expect to finish bottom 2.

- Charlie played shit! Again, another fact but a shit Charlie Curnow is still something that causes opposition to plan for and at the very least, he takes the opponent's best key defender every week. This burden will now be placed on Harry and he hasn't even played 1 full season since we drafted him...

- Then there's the fact that our midfield is one-paced and one dimensional among a host of other issues with it...

- Then there's the lack of small and medium forward talent.

Add to that the core group that are 30+ that we still have an unhealthy reliance on and it's very hard to see where the improvement will come from next year.

I know it's tough to hear, but we are years away from having a side that can win a flag.

Coaching, standards and culture more than list.