Rumour Bluemour Discussion XL - ‘Silly Season’ in full swing 😱

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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[sweethoney]

West Coast won 1 game and Starcevic and Robertson want to go there...

Can't see Voss staying post 2026, new coach, new direction, I doubt players will want to leave. Walsh could but that might happen regardless of 13th or 18th finish....

Much rather end up with pick 1 then remain in no man's land with a pack of pretenders, then end up bottoming out while Tassie have all the power at the draft for the next few years...

Anyway, like I said, we can revisit this end of next season..

Robertson could only manage 4 games this year will probably find it just as hard to get a game at Brisbane next year. No surprise his gone back to his home state.
Starcevic has been offered 5-6 years also to return home. Be silly not to take that especially if he could be one concussion away from being medically retired

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Robertson could only manage 4 games this year will probably find it just as hard to get a game at Brisbane next year. No surprise his gone back to his home state.
Starcevic has been offered 5-6 years also to return home. Be silly not to take that especially if he could be one concussion away from being medically retired

I know why they left Brisbane...

Point still stands... it's a major overreaction thinking that we'll have a mass exodus if we finish last next year.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Humphrey wants to come back home!

 

[Rosscoe 17]

I reckon keeping CC and recruiting Humphrey is the best possible result.

 

[blueblooded]

3rd -> 8th -> 11th says otherwise...

Different isn't always better either.

What we need now is patience. No matter which way you look at it, you don't lose TDK, JSOS and Charlie Curnow and get better unless you replace them with equal or greater players.

Draft picks are not that in their first few seasons.

I know what some are saying:

- TDK played shit anyway! Yeah well, as true as that is, relying on Pitto as main ruck hurts our midfield even more and Reidy is a 25yr old unknown at AFL level...

- JSOS was injured half the season. Again, true, but with the loss of HOF, losing Jack as well really kills our KPD depth. There's also the apparent shopping around of Gov (not that he's much chop anyway)... but we will be severely lacking in KPD options next year... if Weiters goes down expect to finish bottom 2.

- Charlie played shit! Again, another fact but a shit Charlie Curnow is still something that causes opposition to plan for and at the very least, he takes the opponent's best key defender every week. This burden will now be placed on Harry and he hasn't even played 1 full season since we drafted him...

- Then there's the fact that our midfield is one-paced and one dimensional among a host of other issues with it...

- Then there's the lack of small and medium forward talent.

Add to that the core group that are 30+ that we still have an unhealthy reliance on and it's very hard to see where the improvement will come from next year.

I know it's tough to hear, but we are years away from having a side that can win a flag.

I agree I don’t think we’re going to be much chop next year. A few key injuries and we could very well slide into the bottom 4. Bottom 3 with west coast Essendon is not out of the question. If we have a good run with injuries (which doesn’t happen to us so not holding my breath) we could make sneak into the 8. But with the changes forecast I see us finishing 10th - 14th all things considered.

However I don’t think it’s going to take long to bounce back. A midfield in 2029/2030 of Walsh, Cerra, Jagga, Walker and whoever else we can prize out will be all 30 or under and pretty formidable … backline of HOF Dean and weiters if he can hold on is pretty good as well. The forward half is where there needs to be investment in the next 3-4 seasons in free agency or trade with another gun key and X factor small forward but we might get Hayward out of the Charlie deal this year.

I don’t think all is lost in the medium term

 

[Blue__Balls]

I get that, but if I'm Sam Walsh, I'm getting big offers from multiple clubs...

Then I see Carlton giving someone else a massive offer...

And coming to me with a lot less (because we need to take less for success)

But you want me to be the captain...

I'm thinking, well **** you... I've given my all since I got here, and other clubs clearly value me more...

It's def a risk when it comes to getting Butters... are we willing to accept that?

Yeah, would be the Nasiah situation all over again. Quality player, out of contract, suitors offering big money. Current club offers X, but then goes fishing for a free agent offering X+$500k. We'd either have to break the bank and pay Walshy something comparable, or potentially see him walk.

 

[Shambolic]

I think the point with Walsh is if he stays fit and healthy he will get those offers anyway. So keeping us good to very good plus captaincy plus dollars is all part of the requirement. A year of doing nothing and waiting for Cody doesn’t help.

 

[Treesloth]

I get that, but if I'm Sam Walsh, I'm getting big offers from multiple clubs...

Then I see Carlton giving someone else a massive offer...

And coming to me with a lot less (because we need to take less for success)

But you want me to be the captain...

I'm thinking, well **** you... I've given my all since I got here, and other clubs clearly value me more...

It's def a risk when it comes to getting Butters... are we willing to accept that?

Could be way off the mark here but I’m not sure the Walsh offers will be that huge from others. Unless they are idiots like saints.

His body hasn’t been great last few years and he’s not as damaging as plenty of other mids.

Like objectively, Butters should command a lot more from the open market.

 

[Garters]

I'll be honest I don't even know where that is

Prob best for your general well being you keep it that way.

 

[RPCB]

Today: “We are bringing in Zak Butters

9

Zak Butters

Age

25

Ht

181cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.8

3star

D

14.7

4star

K

8.9

4star

HB

5.9

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.1

3star

D

17.0

5star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

and he will be added to a gun midfield of Walsh, Jagga and Walker in 12 months.”

Next week: “Zak Butters

9

Zak Butters

Age

25

Ht

181cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.8

3star

D

14.7

4star

K

8.9

4star

HB

5.9

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.1

3star

D

17.0

5star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

has gone to Hawthorn. Sam Walsh

18

Sam Walsh

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.1

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

26.2

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

10.8

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

4.8

5star

is not re-signing and has said he’s going to Tasmania. And the AFL has just announced it will take three 1st round picks to match a 1st round FS bid.”

 

[Shambolic]

from watching Jagga reels I’d say he plays like Butters - lots of agility and zig zag / cut through traffic. Is that fair?

 

[NavySteel]

I get that, but if I'm Sam Walsh, I'm getting big offers from multiple clubs...

Then I see Carlton giving someone else a massive offer...

And coming to me with a lot less (because we need to take less for success)

But you want me to be the captain...

I'm thinking, well **** you... I've given my all since I got here, and other clubs clearly value me more...

It's def a risk when it comes to getting Butters... are we willing to accept that?

Ah yes… the SOS list management strategy. Watch all his emerging talent leave the club within the next couple of years!

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Could be way off the mark here but I’m not sure the Walsh offers will be that huge from others. Unless they are idiots like saints.

His body hasn’t been great last few years and he’s not as damaging as plenty of other mids.

Like objectively, Butters should command a lot more from the open market.

Even if they aren't, point still stands, we offer Butters way more and it might tick him off

 

[NavySteel]

I reckon keeping CC and recruiting Humphrey is the best possible result.

If that happened and we didn’t lose player, Austin will be bronzed in the IKON car park…

 

[RPCB]

If that happened and we didn’t lose player, Austin will be bronzed in the IKON car park…

Nick Austin in a week walking into Princes Park.

 

[carlton_99]

 

[JustaBattler]

Even if they aren't, point still stands, we offer Butters way more and it might tick him off

If Walsh leaves it will because he reckons his fellow players are rubbish. If I am a younger player and looking at some of the behaviours and performances of so called stars who are leaving- I am thinking "good riddance".

Players are moving for money and whatever they say to justify/explain/account for their move that avoids talking money is a load of absolute crapola.

You have to understand that blokes like curnow who are twice the player that TDK is on 1/3rd of what TDK is now earning are very very pizzed orf.

Curnow wants to move to get paid more money
TDK moved for more money.
Silvagni moved for more money.

The only way to manage this reality is to be absolutely ruthless with players and that is perform or FOFF. You need to pour resources into fast tracking developing players so that they can contribute whilst still not commanding enough BS money and they leave - or have accumulated enough older talent and depth that you are play the we play finals every year card.

The list that Silvagni built missed the midfield repeatedly for 3 years in a row - that is why the Club has lacked the depth to really contend- that and extremely poor mental leadership. There is no way a decent team concedes a 40 point start in a final and loses - the flag was there for the taking in 2023 and Russell was 100% correct when he stated recently - Carlton senior players were as a a collective - mentally weak. Walsh and cripps playing with a mattress on his ribs - were the only 2 who stood up.

Voss may be unpopular with some players- because he calls it out. No coach wants to come into a team with an inherited imperfect list and cop the crapola Voss has copped - he has actually outperform given the list he has had to work with.

This is why he hasnt been sacked. If Carlton make finals next year- he is going nowhere.

As for tanking - that is the worst thing you can put your players through - what a disgraceful way to build 'culture'.

 

[CJMB]

I reckon keeping CC and recruiting Humphrey is the best possible result.

I'm not so sure as it probably means giving up Walker and/or Dean.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Aren’t they trying to get two players who are in contract?

 

[carlton_99]

Aren’t they trying to get two players who are in contract?

Doesn't mean their own contracted players are available for a trade

 

[carlton_99]

Craig Cameron mentioned that they are comfortable for Ben Ainsworth

12

Ben Ainsworth

Age

27

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

6.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

12.8

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

13.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.6

3star

to explore his options. Also, said Carlton have reached out through Robbie D'Orazio and he expects there may be talks in the coming days

 

[Treesloth]

Aren’t they trying to get two players who are in contract?

Think it’s best for all of us to just accept there’s a level of hypocrisy with the public statements made about contracted players, particularly during the first week of trade period. The comments mean nothing

I start to pay attention to the narrative from next Monday onwards.

 

[thechef95]

Mick Agresta and Glenn Luff spotted boarding a plane to Sydney this morning.

 

[Bluebag13]

What are peoples thoughts on Wade Derksen, Melbourne isnt going to pick him up anymore

 

[skadoosh]

Mick Agresta and Glenn Luff spotted boarding a plane to Sydney this morning.

Were the paper bags in check-in or carry on?