Rumour Bluemour Discussion XL - ‘Silly Season’ in full swing 😱

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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[agro]

I've always found the % of posts about St Kilda on this board to be unusually high. The amount of attention, and slander, given to them is odd.

Only slander if it isn’t true.

 

[Pablito]

I thought Swans ruled out Hayward in the past couple of days?

I'd rather Florent and second rounder/different player anyway.

 

[Blue and Silver]

I thought Swans ruled out Hayward in the past couple of days?

I'd rather Florent and second rounder/different player anyway.

And we ruled out Charlie.

It's all posturing

 

[Bee Vee]

I still think that Swans first pick (10) which will get pushed back, their 2026 first pick which will be in the teens next year, Hayward and Florent is a HORRIBLE deal for Charlie.

I really really hope we don’t cave in and accept that deal.

Don't judge it on the single deal. Make assessments on the outcome at the end of trade period. We wont be going to the draft with those picks. TDK compo, Swans 1st and future first plus our full complement in 26/27 gives a lot of top end bargaining power.

 

[carlton_99]

Jeremy Cameron was a restricted free agent and still got 3 first round picks.

Charlie is contracted for 4 years and if true we are accepting 2 picks in the teens and Hayward who is a good player.

We have been adamant the whole way thru we want A grade talent back if we were to even entertain any deal for Charlie so if we accept that deal we have caved and capitulated in my opinion.

Cats also gave back two second rounders in that deal. This would be a better deal than that imo

 

[tarczonandjane]

Jeremy Cameron was a restricted free agent and still got 3 first round picks.

Charlie is contracted for 4 years and if true we are accepting 2 picks in the teens and Hayward who is a good player.

We have been adamant the whole way thru we want A grade talent back if we were to even entertain any deal for Charlie so if we accept that deal we have caved and capitulated in my opinion.

Can you please tell me where we have been adamant we want A Grade talent as a trade for Charlie? And by that, I don’t mean Chinese whispers stuff on trade radio and the like. I mean a public statement from any of Graham Wright, Chris Davies, Michael Voss, or Robert Priestly that we will only trade Charlie Curnow if we get A Grade talent back.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Don’t they become free agents after 3 years? Furthermore who is going to want to burn a pick on a player with his heart set on another club.

Definitely risky but not as ridiculous as suggested.

So your whole argument is built around free agency being a fictitious 3 years?

Have a read of this:

https://www.aflplayers.com.au/app/uploads/2020/12/AFL_FREE_AGENCY_EXPLAINED_2019.pdf

 

[lukep_86]

Realistically, what do we think Charlie is worth? Looking at a lot of the big trades in recent years, 2 picks and a player (give or take), are the going rate. https://www.zerohanger.com/evaluating-the-biggest-trades-of-the-last-decade-92578/

IMO, it also depends what we can do and what Austin has planned for the picks coming in.

Charlie's best is obviously very, very good but he's also shown that his worst is pretty bad. I'm wondering if this is slightly impacting our bargaining power.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Can you please tell me where we have been adamant we want A Grade talent as a trade for Charlie? And by that, I don’t mean Chinese whispers stuff on trade radio and the like. I mean a public statement from any of Graham Wright, Chris Davies, Michael Voss, or Robert Priestly that we will only trade Charlie Curnow if we get A Grade talent back.

That’s what all the journos have reported. Can you please tell me where we have publicly stated that we are willingly to trade Charlie? And I don’t mean Chinese whispers stuff on trade radio and the like.

Our public statements from Voss who said we won’t be trading him. Chris Davies, Graham Wright and Nick Austin have all publicly stated the same.

 

[Rosscoe 17]

So your whole argument is built around free agency being a fictitious 3 years?

Have a read of this:

https://www.aflplayers.com.au/app/uploads/2020/12/AFL_FREE_AGENCY_EXPLAINED_2019.pdf

No my argument is based around keeping CC and getting Humphrey. Not entirely impossible if we make tough decisions.

 

[ctwenty1]

Realistically, what do we think Charlie is worth? Looking at a lot of the big trades in recent years, 2 picks and a player (give or take), are the going rate. https://www.zerohanger.com/evaluating-the-biggest-trades-of-the-last-decade-92578/

IMO, it also depends what we can do and what Austin has planned for the picks coming in.

Charlie's best is obviously very, very good but he's also shown that his worst is pretty bad. I'm wondering if this is slightly impacting our bargaining power.

Any trade needs to be valued against what he would dleiver within Sydney and Geelong.

Charlie in either of those teams propels them to premiership contention

They need to pay for it

 

[ctwenty1]

That’s what all the journos have reported. Can you please tell me where we have publicly stated that we are willingly to trade Charlie? And I don’t mean Chinese whispers stuff on trade radio and the like.

Our public statements from Voss who said we won’t be trading him. Chris Davies, Graham Wright and Nick Austin have all publicly stated the same.

I think our statements are defintely posturing but its vital that it is our public position because if a deal doesnt happen, CC remains a carlton player and it alos mainatins our bargaining power

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I've always found the % of posts about St Kilda on this board to be unusually high. The amount of attention, and slander, given to them is odd.

Mate, they’ve got a 10 fold interest in us and for some silly reason even though they’ve won 2 bits of fk all this century, love to lay into our ineptness more than any other club.

This bottom feeding, Multi century and generational failures are the club our players go to top up their super. This year, nothing has changed…

 

[lukep_86]

Can't believe we have another week of this crap..wish it was all over tomorrow. Surely a week is enough to get all these deals sorted.

 

[tarczonandjane]

That’s what all the journos have reported. Can you please tell me where we have publicly stated that we are willingly to trade Charlie? And I don’t mean Chinese whispers stuff on trade radio and the like.

Our public statements from Voss who said we won’t be trading him. Chris Davies, Graham Wright and Nick Austin have all publicly stated the same.

Most of the journos I’ve heard are speculating. They’re going, “this is what I think it will take to get a deal done.”

Now, I’m not naive. Of course the club can feed journos. And of course things can be happening behind the scenes. But until someone at the club publicly says what they are prepared to take as Charlie’s price, I’d be pretty reluctant to place much weight on what the journos are spinning as the price. I’m pretty confident that Davies and Wright are not doing anything to weaken their bargaining position.

 

[carlton_99]

 

[carlton_99]

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Jeremy Cameron was a restricted free agent and still got 3 first round picks.

Charlie is contracted for 4 years and if true we are accepting 2 picks in the teens and Hayward who is a good player.

We have been adamant the whole way thru we want A grade talent back if we were to even entertain any deal for Charlie so if we accept that deal we have caved and capitulated in my opinion.

We can say NO and walk away, we hold all the power. Not the swans and not Charlie and his manager.

With two 2nd rounders coming back

 

[Bletch]

Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[ESKIE]

cal twomey reporting that Geelong have offered Carlton3 first round pics for Charlie

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I still think that Swans first pick (10) which will get pushed back, their 2026 first pick which will be in the teens next year, Hayward and Florent is a HORRIBLE deal for Charlie.

I really really hope we don’t cave in and accept that deal.

I think you need to get some perspective, history says it’s right at the very top end of what’s happened before.
Who’s gone for more than that? Judd, yeah I’ll give it but he’s top of the tree generational Brownlow medallist multi BnF before traded at age 24
Who else?

 

[carlton_99]

We should not be accepting that deal from the Cats. Three picks in the late teens/early 20s is not significant enough

 

[Gointocarlton]

And where do these first rounders come from may I ask?

 

[ESKIE]

Need more details thanks Cal

 

[carlton_99]

And where do these first rounders come from may I ask?

I assume 2025, 2026 and 2027 1sts.