Autopsy Collingwood Past Trades Circular Discussion

[gerryg400]

Why is it that Collingwood never seem to win a trade deal? Schultz, Henry, Stephenson, Treloar, Grundy, Beams (trade back) to name a few......

The last was Pick 5, 25 and Crisp for Dayne Beams but that was cancelled out a few years later when Beams returned for 2 first rounders.

I couldn’t care less if we never win a trade deal. Flags are the goal.

 

[Anzacday]

I couldn’t care less if we never win a trade deal. Flags are the goal.

I responded on the MB to a post about our “diabolical” trade of our 2021 1st rounder.
The Saints supporter didn’t reply and they all seem to have gone quiet for some reason…

Callaghan - GWS pick 3.
Daicos - Collingwood pick 4.
We traded it out to bring in youth a year earlier, knowing it would’ve been eaten by ND points.
If either of those 2 players had kicked on it or we didn’t crash on the ladder it’s a non issue.
More context, it was the same year we dumped players to fix our salary cap.
Quite remarkable we won a flag 3 years later

 

[Jen2310]

Best and worst of future trading per HS

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[stormskye]

Best and worst of future trading per HS

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Past trades thread Jen. Don’t want the doomers starting this again in here please. I much prefer reading about which delisted potatoes we should get

 

[Jen2310]

Past trades thread Jen. Don’t want the doomers starting this again in here please. I much prefer reading about which delisted potatoes we should get

Ive heard Lochie O'Brien is a chance
he may have been delisted 12 months ago, but same same yeah? lol

 

[TradeDraft]

I responded on the MB to a post about our “diabolical” trade of our 2021 1st rounder.
The Saints supporter didn’t reply and they all seem to have gone quiet for some reason…

Callaghan - GWS pick 3.
Daicos - Collingwood pick 4.
We traded it out to bring in youth a year earlier, knowing it would’ve been eaten by ND points.
If either of those 2 players had kicked on it or we didn’t crash on the ladder it’s a non issue.
More context, it was the same year we dumped players to fix our salary cap.
Quite remarkable we won a flag 3 years later

North would of Bid on Nick at Pick IF we kept Pick 2

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

North would of Bid on Nick at Pick IF we kept Pick 2

We would have traded it out on the night probably for North's future 1st which would have been pick 1 (2022).

 

[Jelly Bean]

North would of Bid on Nick at Pick IF we kept Pick 2

Why?

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Good thing that didn't happen then

Agree to disagree on that one. It is what it is now but you’ll never convince me we didn’t pay overs

 

[gouki88]

Agree to disagree on that one. It is what it is now but you’ll never convince me we didn’t pay overs

2023 Trade for Lachie Schultz - Draftguru

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Really?

 

[Seedsfan]

If we burn a first round pick on Jy ****ing Simpkin FMD. Why are we even looking at him, he will not improve is one iota

 

[Seedsfan]

2023 Trade for Lachie Schultz - Draftguru

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Really?

So we could have had Murphy Reid and kept Ginni or had Schultz. We paid well overs. Also look at what we got for Ginni who is a better footballer and is younger

 

[gouki88]

So we could have had Murphy Reid and kept Ginni or had Schultz. We paid well overs. Also look at what we got for Ginni who is a better footballer and is younger

LOL. Ginni the better player

He does not suit our system at all. Be serious. What indication do you have that we would have picked Reid? No way Hine goes with him IMO

 

[Seedsfan]

LOL

You have NFI

 

[gouki88]

You have NFI

Good one! I edited my post to add a bit more, but think I'm wasting my time with you (yet again)

 

[satty]

So we could have had Murphy Reid and kept Ginni or had Schultz. We paid well overs. Also look at what we got for Ginni who is a better footballer and is younger

Given Hines record we probably would have stuffed that first rounder if we had it .

 

[Seedsfan]

LOL. Ginni the better player

He does not suit our system at all. Be serious. What indication do you have that we would have picked Reid? No way Hine goes with him IMO

Get back to me when Schultz manages 40 in a year.

Schultz is probably done in 4 years while Ginni will still be playing good footy for the Hawks

Hine was a lot more likely to take Murphy Reid the small forward over Jonty Faull. When was the last time Hine used a first round pick on a tall forward?

 

[Seedsfan]

Given Hines record we probably would have stuffed that first rounder if we had it .

That is always a possibility

 

[gouki88]

Get back to me when Schultz manages 40 in a year.

Schultz is probably done in 4 years while Ginni will still be playing good footy for the Hawks

Hine was a lot more likely to take Murphy Reid the small forward over Jonty Faull. When was the last time Hine used a first round pick on a tall forward?

Ah well, you're right - goals are the be-all and end-all! Why didn't I think of that...

Schultz retiring at 31 because reasons? Sure thing!

 

[Seedsfan]

Ah well, you're right - goals are the be-all and end-all! Why didn't I think of that...

Schultz retiring at 31 because reasons? Sure thing!

Yeah remind me what is the objective of the game? To out score your opponents.

Ginni has a greater goal, disposal and score involvements per game average over his career than Schultz. Literally the only statistical category Schultz is ahead of him is tackles per game.

Schultz is already starting to pick up a lot of soft tissue injuries and you don’t see too many pressure forwards playing deep into their 30s

 

[No SPIN]

Yeah remind me what is the objective of the game? To out score your opponents.

Ginni has a greater goal, disposal and score involvements per game average over his career than Schultz. Literally the only statistical category Schultz is ahead of him is tackles per game.

Schultz is already starting to pick up a lot of soft tissue injuries and you don’t see too many pressure forwards playing deep into their 30s

who's spot is Ginnivan taking in our team?
He was out sprinted by Sidey in the first game against the Hawks. Lacks the work ethic and application of Schultz.
This season Schultz had more score Involvements, total tackles and I50 tackles per game than Ginnivan.

 

[Seedsfan]

who's spot is Ginnivan taking in our team?
He was out sprinted by Sidey in the first game against the Hawks. Lacks the work ethic and application of Schultz.
This season Schultz had more score Involvements, total tackles and I50 tackles per game than Ginnivan.

And went at less than a goal a game

 

[No SPIN]

And went at less than a goal a game

So you're getting excited about the fact Ginnivan scored 1.2 compared to Shooters 0.8.
Sorry - but that's wholly unconvincing.

 

[Seedsfan]

So you're getting excited about the fact Ginnivan scored 1.2 compared to Shooters 0.8.
Sorry - but that's wholly unconvincing.

It’s 50% more. He played higher up the ground winning more of the ball and still managing more goals.

If the market price for Schultz was right we got unders for Ginni

If the market price was right for Ginni we paid overs for Schultz

 

[No SPIN]

It’s 50% more. He played higher up the ground winning more of the ball and still managing more goals.

If the market price for Schultz was right we got unders for Ginni

If the market price was right for Ginni we paid overs for Schultz

Per other stats I've shown that Shooter is a more rounded player, and that goal difference is completely irrelevant in that context.
You still haven't told us who Ginnvan replaces in our best 23 - because its not Shooter