Remove this Banner Ad

Racing Melbourne Cup 2025

Who wins?


  • Total voters
    77
  • Poll closed .

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

1. AL RIFFA: I think he is probably the classiest raiders we have had come down for the Cup and he ticks all the boxes you want. He was a 2000m-2400m horse in Europe until only recently when he improved when they tried him over a trip so you know he has the turn of foot required to be competitive out here.

His form over the last year or so is incredibly strong for a handicap out here. Finishing behind Rebels Romance, City of Troy and Shin Emperor is a lot better than the staying form we generally see and he has improved even further since stepping out in distance.

Don't want a heavy track for him but a soft would be perfect.

2. BUCKAROO: A poor mans Sir Delius bringing in those WFA form lines but its the proven formula in recent years. Im not worried about the distance after his run we have already talked about from last year and they are going to ride him for luck with cover this year and if he gets the gaps will be very hard to hold out. Feel like we could be looking back afterwards and thinking it was very obvious with Sir Delius, Via Sistina and TTM form lines.

Like Al Riffa a soft track would be perfect but don't want it too heavy.

3. ARAPAHO: Has shown the ability in the past at this class, distance and form on wet tracks but when an 8yo puts in back to back shockers and is weighted above his current level ill be leaving it out of everything.

4. VAUBAN: I dont think he runs out a strong 2 miles and hard to back a horse who has flopped twice in the race already. Not in great form anyway flopping twice in his last 3 runs.

A soft track would help but has to make up too much on the Caulfield Cup horses alone to be any chance.

5. CHEVALIER ROSE: Pointless going too in depth into his form because if we even get a soft track he will finish near the tail.

6. PRESAGE NOCTURNE: One of the hardest to beat. Great Cup trial in the Caulfield Cup where only Valiant King and Half Yours had better late sectionals and he meets them both better off at the weights. You know he will run the trip out
with most of his form being at 3000m in France and he has drawn perfectly to lob a good spot early.

I dont buy into him being some mudder who will love endless rain though. His best 3 performances have come on a firm track in Saudi, a good track in the CC and synthetic track in France. A soft should be just fine but the last time he saw a heavy track he could barely pick his legs up and was eased out of the race.

7. MIDDLE EARTH: Bit of an enigma who could go huge at 2 miles with the blinkers on but won't be getting any of mine if he does. Purely just #guessing if you back him because his form does not read up to it at all and then he also wants a good track which he likely won't be getting o should be able to be left out of everything.

8. MEYDAAN: Went looking for the milk saucer as soon as the heat went on around the bend at Caulfield. He looked ok the last furlong but that's because he threw the towel in when everyone else was trying to win the race.

Nothing suggests he will run 2 miles and he doesn't go on wet tracks so in the bin you go.

9. ABSURDE: Seen this story enough already to know he just isn't good enough and he isn't going any better this year than previous years. The 2 miles is still a concern as is the wet track. Leaving out of everything.

10. FLATTEN THE CURVE: It has been racing in the European version of the Murtoa handicaps against absolute camels so Ill be leaving out of everything. Goes fine on wet or dry so that shouldn't be an issue. If I had to squint hard to try to make a case the 2 miles won't be an issue and the horse he beat by 5 last time came out and beat home Nations Pride in a Canadian G1 before finishing out the back at 100-1 in the Breeders Cup the other day.

11. LAND LEGEND: Decent chance of making it three last finishes in a row. Going awful.

12. SMOKIN ROMNANS: 9yo, not racing well, not a 2 miler. Has none.

13. CHANGINGOFTHEGUARD: Had an easy run up front in the Geelong Cup and was comfortably beaten by Torranzino and co. Doesn't bring in any sort of form at all, is a distance query and is a wet track query. Has none.

14. HALF YOURS: Great run in the Caulfield Cup and only Valiant King had stronger closing sectionals so no reason to think the trip will be an issue although he obviously still has to prove it. Any rain should only assist and its hard to find too many negatives but does meet everything out of the Caulfield Cup worse at the weights and has been up for a long time.

Ill probably risk him because I have to risk something at the top of the market but has a strong Ethereal feel to him and could easily be too good again.

15. MORE FELONS: I really want to like him as a roughie because he has closed off really well in his last couple races in Sydney, likes wet tracks and was showing some middle distance WFA form last year before going amiss. But I have really strong doubts on him at 2 miles.

He did no work in the race in 2023 and got the dream run up the rails but then his legs just went to jelly at the 300m. He had looked very weak late on in a number of European staying races too before coming out here so ill probably be risking him.

16. ONESMOOTHOPERATOR: Was going a lot better last year and wasn't good enough. Moonee Valley Cup form is very average even for the second tier here. Doesn't go on rain affected tracks anyway.

17. FURTHUR: Definitely not one of the better Euro 3yos we have had come out here but probably about on par with an Il Paradiso who arguably should have won so has to be in the mix still.

St Leger run was a bit flat but only 4 lengths off Scandinavia there is decent enough form and previously put away Epic Poet who is a horse who was far superior to Presage Nocturne when they met in Saudi so it all ties in ok to be in the mix here. Getting out to a bit of a ridiculous price now and will be in the mix for me somewhere.

Don't think he wants a wet track though so that would be an issue if we get too much rain.

18. PARCHMENT PARTY: Dirt horse. You just could not back him on turf. He would be 100-1 in the Heritage on the same day for me so has none in the Cup. Good last place candidate.

19. ATHABASCAN: We already know he isn't up to being competitive at this level even at his best and he is a long way from that at the moment. Leaving out of all exotics.

20. GOODIE TWO SHOES: Absolute plodder. Would genuinely fit in well in a Jericho Cup down here. She goes over the steeples back home in very average races. I cant even think of a steeplechaser to come out here and do anything off the top of my head and she is a slow average one at that. Her only benefit to being out here is to keep the big boy Al Riffa company on his trek.

21. RIVER OF STARS: Real 2 miler who has been working up to this slowly and her run in the Caulfield Cup was brilliant. Wet tracks are no issue and bigger track/further will only help.

She was going around against Presage Nocturne and co in France last year and starting favourite for a rough idea of her level compared to them in France.

22. ROYAL SUPREMACY: Another one who put in a great Cup trial at Caulfield picking his way through the field up the straight and finishing off very well. All is form this prep has been great to be honest and apart from being a question at the 2 miles im not sure why he is such long odds. He is a roughie who will be going in all of my bets.

Whether its wet or dry will make no difference he has great form on all surfaces.

23. TORRANZINO: Great roughie. He is just one who screams 2 miles to me especially being by Tarzino. His run in the Bart Cummings behind Valiant King was great and the form out of that race has been very strong so have to trust it here and he meets Valiant King 1.5kg better off from that race. Showed good speed winning the Geelong Cup off a slow tempo as well.

Wet track will be no issue.

24. VALIANT KING: Couldn't get better Cup trials than his Bart Cummings and Caulfield Cup runs leading in just screaming home off hot tempos with great late sectionals. Those two races are clearly the form races leading in of our local races and he was the run of the race in each so really just picks himself.

The wet track however is a worry for me with him. They avoided wet tracks with him when he was trained in Europe and on breeding he is a dry tracker so I wouldn't want to see too much rain.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ill be playing my exotics through these runners weighting more heavily to the A runners on a win line

A: Al Riffa / Valiant King / Presage Nocturne / Buckaroo
B: Royal Supremacy / River of Stars / Furthur / Torranzino
 
Me too. That weight rise is brutal. I don't think it was a vintage CP and he hasn't won beyond 1800m. Prestige Nocturne is the one if they bet double figures, Grows a leg in the wet. Willie Mullins will win this race one time and Absurde will go well, while Torranzino is a mad roughie

Was absolutely legless the last time he raced on a heavy track though which you dont love to see
 
Was absolutely legless the last time he raced on a heavy track though which you dont love to see
He was pulled up with 300m to go with the jockey looking back at his action. He was spelled after that and then won first up. His overall record says he's a mudlark - and he's a grey!
 
He was pulled up with 300m to go with the jockey looking back at his action. He was spelled after that and then won first up. His overall record says he's a mudlark - and he's a grey!

Yeah because he couldnt pick up his legs in the slop. He wasnt injured. All of his best performamces have come on firm and the better side of slow.

He probably will handle it but his form also isnt that of a mudlark
 

Log in to remove this Banner Ad

With rain coming maybe the barriers will be not so important? Some will struggle with the wet and others will relish it.
 
Favs winning all the majors so far although did have nice win on a place multi with Deal Done Fast Derby and Sepals Golden Eagle the place at 40/1.


Will the trend continue, I think if BOM is accurate we are looking at a slow track probably not heavy unless the track gets the upper end of the range. This will probably make it more of a staying test and I am leaving out Al Riffa and Buckaroo with 59 and 57.

So, my top chances are Valiant King, Pressag Nocturne, Meydaan and Half Yours with the best roughie Torranzino.
 
al riffa trading at 12-13 atm, if he starts longer than that, i don't know much about the game. too much class. has to be the starting point. i get relative weight concerns, and there's every chance a low weight grows wings and zooms past; but the way he won at curragh suggests he will be fine in these conditions. not too too concerned with 19, might get back in last third, but there will be enough donkeys under riding at 800m from home, zahra will ease his way through and hopefully come storming home. he won't be my only bet in the race, but just a silly price rn imo.
 
al riffa trading at 12-13 atm, if he starts longer than that, i don't know much about the game. too much class. has to be the starting point. i get relative weight concerns, and there's every chance a low weight grows wings and zooms past; but the way he won at curragh suggests he will be fine in these conditions. not too too concerned with 19, might get back in last third, but there will be enough donkeys under riding at 800m from home, zahra will ease his way through and hopefully come storming home. he won't be my only bet in the race, but just a silly price rn imo.

goat cup jockey to ride the big weights in the last few years and he's on fire in general right now
 

Remove this Banner Ad

goat cup jockey to ride the big weights in the last few years and he's on fire in general right now
yep 100%. he's been there done that, and way he spoke after trackwork on him just gives me more confidence; said big horse and can carry the weight and liked his work. tick tick tick. people will be spending next three days yapping about barrier and conditions, and of course thats essential part of the form; but sometimes you just go J O'brien, m zahra, irish st leger winner, the horse oozes class, that is just the magic stuff right there
 
That Valiant King/Torranzino formline.. Pretty decent price differential when you'd think Torranzino would handle the wet better and gets a 1.5kg weight swing. One is $31 and the other is $7.50.

They put Flatten The Curve up at $81 today, into $35.

I guess one does have a Melbourne Cup winning rider.
 
Will be hard to make up ground in the Cup if coming from behind in wet track conditions. There might be some speed in the race before passing the post the first time.
 

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Goodie Two Shoes - barrier 20. Last winner to win from barrier 20 was Empire Rose in 1988.
 
There has to be something there if Jmac is sticking surely? 🤔 Can't see it myself yet but won't rule it out until I have gone through the form.
The imported imbecile jock from HK slaughtered it in the Caulfield Cup. Big difference with a quality senior rider on board here.
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Racing Melbourne Cup 2025

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Back
Top