Unsolved The Family Murders * BREAKING! Von Einem is dead

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The Who's Who List

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed? Reportedly deceased.

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed

LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella

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[InstinctivelyAlert]

They rather liked their clairvoyants, back in the 1970s.

Have come to learn my grandmother was consulted as a clairvoyant/psychic on the Beaumont abductions and Adelaide Oval. Just a fun history tidbit

 

[CD Xbow]

Have come to learn my grandmother was consulted as a clairvoyant/psychic on the Beaumont abductions and Adelaide Oval. Just a fun history tidbit

Clearly not an accurate one.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Clearly not an accurate one.

Good one!

In fairness, her ‘findings’ on the AO case did lead to Yatina, and I’m not certain that lead is dead.

 

[Alpinetree86]

Yes to the Zoom meeting. How he came to be in contact I don’t understand.

 

[squawk]

A lot going on in here lately!

Regarding Saffron - I have mentioned him a fair bit throughout this thread. I have even hypothesised that the Hotel Australia could have been used as a “holding location” for victims. Further, with Saffron owning the Elephant and Castle, that was right across the road from the old Mortuary at the West Tce Cemetery. And as per my own research, there are a number of different pine trees adjacent the old Mortuary and pine needles were found with Muir’s body parts.

I also wonder whether a certain Sauna in the city may have been a holding location and potentially a place where “events” took place. Lots of wet areas there too.

And yes, the recent arrest of a well known Lawyer in town is certainly very curious timing. The matter was adjourned to “January” - does anyone know of a specific date?

 

[Kind18]

Very surprised Mr R actually spoke to him at all in those phone recordings.

Why? History would suggest Mr R makes lots of poor decisions.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Why? History would suggest Mr R makes lots of poor decisions.

Agreed if only based upon wardrobe.

 

[diorama]

Agreed if only based upon wardrobe.

that would be the ruby red dress

 

[Vino44]

Surprised he actually spoke.

Me too, surprised he’d take the call

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Me too, surprised he’d take the call

More than anything, it just adds to the question of how they came to be on such a ‘friendly’ basis - personally, at least.

 

[Hope1]

Probably should be careful putting that information up under the circumstances. Also, a business doesn't have to be registered for GST if they make/take less than $75,000 a year.

It’s publicly available on google

 

[nothing001]

More than anything, it just adds to the question of how they came to be on such a ‘friendly’ basis - personally, at least.

Seems like it was the first time they ever spoke. I think Mr R has a penchant for younger male strangers, which is why he was so friendly. He clearly doesn’t like females by the way he spoke to Debi Marshall even though she was being polite.

 

[johnymac1]

I’d be interested to know more about ‘Steve’ the whistleblower. Can anybody speak to experiences with him, or validity of any of his statements? I haven’t given the time to exploring Facebook as I no longer use it.

never heard of him, what he do?

 

[vicariously_i]

I’d be interested to know more about ‘Steve’ the whistleblower. Can anybody speak to experiences with him, or validity of any of his statements? I haven’t given the time to exploring Facebook as I no longer use it.

Steve wouldn’t be Steve Williams by any chance?

 

[ClarityInChaos]

So she's out to ensure none of the victims can ever get justice in court, just so she can make money for herself?

You’d be surprised. Publishing those names has brought forward so many people with details that bring this closer toward more convictions than ever before.
The chemical used to clean the victims? Guess who was working as a doctor at the hospital now known to have this exact chemical disappearing in 5L bottles, repeatedly at the time of the murders…

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Steve wouldn’t be Steve Williams by any chance?

Seeing as this phone call with DR and his Zoom meeting with BvE were very recent, no, it couldn't be Steve Williams.

 

[Wombat64]

Publishing those names has brought forward so many people with details that bring this closer toward more convictions than ever before.

Nonsense. Another 220 pages of speculation, theories, hunches & wild guesses along with any number of recorded phone conversations is going to solve this. Neither is publishing the suppressed names as anyone remotely connected with them knew about their suspected involvement a long time ago.

The scenario that would advance the knowledge of these murders is the unlikely event of DR developing a conscience on his deathbed. As he has said nothing for 40 years I'm not going to bet on it. And in the unlikely event that he does spill the beans a number of people are going to be greatly disappointed as it would debunk their much cherished belief that "influential people" were involved & hampered the initial investigation.

 

[Tanned]

Nonsense. Another 220 pages of speculation, theories, hunches & wild guesses along with any number of recorded phone conversations is going to solve this. Neither is publishing the suppressed names as anyone remotely connected with them knew about their suspected involvement a long time ago.

The scenario that would advance the knowledge of these murders is the unlikely event of DR developing a conscience on his deathbed. As he has said nothing for 40 years I'm not going to bet on it. And in the unlikely event that he does spill the beans a number of people are going to be greatly disappointed as it would debunk their much cherished belief that "influential people" were involved & hampered the initial investigation.

The fact that there are so many unknowns illustrates why there was a cover up by influential people on both sides. The punters have no business with this and are thrown little scraps via the media now and then to keep them happy enough not to question too much.

 

[Angus Young]

Lewis Turtur pis probably the only one that has ever said something publicly.

For those who didn't see it earlier.

 

[Defeat Evil]

That's speculation. Looking at the facts, BVE was locked up and the killing stopped.

Who says the killing stopped? Who said they were only male victims. Don't forget we have NEW words, like pansexual. Back then you were with ****y or lesbo or straight. If you actually think about it. Who says they weren't actually pans??

 

[nominal_port_supporter]

Who says the killing stopped? Who said they were only male victims. Don't forget we have NEW words, like pansexual. Back then you were with ****y or lesbo or straight. If you actually think about it. Who says they weren't actually pans??

You don't need to "actually think about it" - instead you can just read the 220 pages of this thread to see there's zero evidence that anyone other than teenage boys and young men were targeted.

 

[Anonjym]

You’d be surprised. Publishing those names has brought forward so many people with details that bring this closer toward more convictions than ever before.
The chemical used to clean the victims? Guess who was working as a doctor at the hospital now known to have this exact chemical disappearing in 5L bottles, repeatedly at the time of the murders…

bruh..

Not only could potentially see criminal defamation and/or contempt of court charges.
If charges were laid (on the suspect/s) and the case went to trial, it may be impossible to find jurors who have not been tainted by the information of certain names being published especially in South Australia being such a small place and how many know of the case. They could argue that the accused cannot get an impartial jury, and they could apply for the trial to be postponed indefinitely.
Then also a high chance of a mistrial or any conviction would be overturned on appeal. The court could potentially struggle to show that a jury’s guilty verdict was based on trial evidence rather than the stories within your book. Hence why authors like Debi take the time to ensure her work would not interfere with the judicial process in this exact way. Justice isn’t about blurting these names across the internet for clout.
I’d say majority of people who were either directly or indirectly affected by this case would have eventually stumbled across the names of certain suspects, as for the general public who would make up the Jury, they more than likely don’t have information to come forward with regarding these people so making it known through this manner just compromises future convictions.

tl;dr
If anything it works in the suspects favour their names being made public in any other means than a legal lift.
Not a rant but I just don’t understand how people do not think this way. If I’m wrong about any of the above, someone.. feel free to school me.

Edit:
Don’t get me wrong, the guilty suspects are aging and I couldn't care less if they lived the rest of their pathetic lives in fear, pain or otherwise. The one thing I would not want is to be a reason they were not convicted.

In regard to the missing chemicals, you say that but provide no insight to where, how, who or what evidence there is to support this. Did the publishing of names provide evidence for this?

 

[Peter Doherty]

In regard to the missing chemicals, you say that but provide no insight to where, how, who or what evidence there is to support this. Did the publishing of names provide evidence for this?

There's only 3 doctors rumoured to be members of The Family that I'm aware of (1 not even mentioned in this thread).

Unless there's more?

 

[nothing001]

Lewis Turtur pis probably the only one that has ever said something publicly.

For those who didn't see it earlier.

What a revolting thing,that thing is that she interviewed. Revolting I hope it’s mom is proud.

 

[johnymac1]

Steve wouldn’t be Steve Williams by any chance?

Steve Williams was one of the earliest researchers on the Family. Most of his research unfortunately was in his head.
He gathered a fair bit of info, some he shared with others. I learn a bit from him, but it's been 35 years.

The other Steve they refer too, is someone totally different based in QLD