Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[faible]

One peaceful march out of how many? It's the rhetoric that is fueling hatred. not saying they are rioting.
If we don't curb this, it will not end well. I've been saying this for months.

Just heard on the radio this morning that the Jewish people and supporters want to march in Melbourne and are not allowed for obvious reasons.

I think you'll find the vast majority of pro-Palestinian protests, and protestors, were peaceful.

 

[blue boy]

This discussion is pointless.

The jewish community, the victims here, in a clear majority fashion, for 2 years and now, stated this government is failing them.

What are you all even arguing? They literally have told you the issue. Its not a real debate

 

[blue boy]

The IDF is committing war crimes en masse. Any Australian who looks at what the IDF is doing and says 'yep this is for me' should be a worry. Same as any who see what ISIS is doing and think 'yep that's for me'.

I also fully support charging any and all ADF members involved in committing war crimes, crimes against humanity or violations of IHL.

Once again, at least 10 times more civilians died in iraq/afghan wars. Let me guess, this was just “a result of war” and not war crimes?

 

[faible]

Once again, at least 10 times more civilians died in iraq/afghan wars. Let me guess, this was just “a result of war” and not war crimes?

Highly likely war crimes were committed and/or international law violated, those guilty should have been investigated.

I fully support Ben Roberts-Smith being investigated for war crimes.

 

[DapperDon]

This discussion is pointless.

The jewish community, the victims here, in a clear majority fashion, for 2 years and now, stated this government is failing them.

What are you all even arguing? They literally have told you the issue. Its not a real debate

Are you the spokesperson for all Australian Jews?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Well at this point I’m just trying to avoid becoming the top contributor in the thread so let’s just leave it there. You think it’s dumb, I think it’s honest and brave. That’s not going to change.

Have you written to Albo and Wong with your Australia- The Mouse That Roars!! plan yet?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Once again, at least 10 times more civilians died in iraq/afghan wars. Let me guess, this was just “a result of war” and not war crimes?

The Bondi terrorists subscribed to ISIS, the creation of which is directly relevant to iraq/afghan wars.

 

[ElectricG]

Have you written to Albo and Wong with your Australia- The Mouse That Roars!! plan yet?

What do you hope to achieve with this comment?

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Wow defending the PM who went on holiday overseas while his country literally burned and was forced back home in shame.

I'm a great believer that the political health of a country is often dictated by the health of its opposition party, as much as its incumbent. It would be of great benefit to Australia to have a healthy, functioning shadow cabinet, who can engage responsibly and maturely in political machinations. Apply cross-checking and impose accountability upon the sitting party in all of their decision making - "keep the bastards honest", as they say.

Far from being a rusted-on member of any political party - I've voted Labor or Coalition at least a couple of times each over the last 30 years - I'm amazed at the capacity of our contemporary Liberal Party to find a way to shit the bed, even when it looks like they may be clawing their way back towards relevance.

eg. nominating Dutton as the leader prior to the last election was a classic example of mis-reading the room, and now just as they seem to have addressed their single largest issue with the Australian voters (i.e. failure to acknowledge the importance of female voters) by nominating a female leader, former senior members of the party suddenly weigh in to undermine them once again. Susan Leys must be furious.

Political point-scoring by attempting to put Albinese in the crosshairs of blame for this tragic event may work well with their already-rusted-on constituency (although it possibly risks pushing these folks even further to the right and into the hands of One Nation), but will undoubtedly alienate a whole lot of fence-sitters that would have been crucial to their chances at the next election.

Once again, I think they've misread the Australian voting populace.

 

[_Cerberus_]

Full of people carrying terrorist flags, slogans and images, but yeah, peaceful

200k plus people at once march, but people sure like to hang on to a couple of dozen bag eggs in the crowd. ALL rallies have them, no matter what they are for, and who they are by. It's a very lazy attempt to try and smear the whole thing and discredit the message. On the other hand, you had 500 rock up at the last, "I hate Muslims march". Shows well and truly how many Australians by far, reject and call out genocide. When it should be our politicians doing that instead.

For the 100th time in the thread. There were many prominent Jewish groups and figures in those marches. The ones who the Liberals, Nationals and One Nation politicians are blocking on facebook currently. When they post a comment saying that they are Jewish, and found their point scoring this week gone as disgraceful and delbate. A coalition of Jewish groups that represent a large chunk of the Jewish community in Aus, who have been silenced from having a voice in the debate. Only the pro war, divisive, lobby group funded, caught intimidating Muslim shop owners to try trick them into fake antisemantic reactions, post degrading comments about Palenstians on their page, group has been allowed all the coverage and involvement in the governments envoy. Yep, the Libs, Nats, One Nation, all claim to be massively against antisemantism, but for some reason are dodging non Zionist Jews.

 

[Festerz]

Police have said there is no known connection between the dramatic arrest of a group of men in Sydney’s south-west and the police investigation of the Bondi terror attack.

Police have now changed their position..



“We don’t have definitive links between the individuals who committed these atrocities on Sunday and this yesterday apart from potential commonality in some thinking, but no associations at this stage.”

When asked “It does sound like these people apprehended had a similar sort of ideological adherence to Islamic extremism?”

Hudson replied: “That’s our belief at this stage, yes.”

He continued: “One of the locations that we believe they may have been attending was Bondi, and that caused us some concerns, obviously … We certainly wouldn’t like to take that risk.

“We haven’t found weapons in the car, apart from, I think, a knife. And that, I think, justifies our decision to go early before they really do obtain any further capability.”

 

[blue boy]

The Bondi terrorists subscribed to ISIS, the creation of which is directly relevant to iraq/afghan wars.

Exactly. Its likely these attacks have nothing to do with israel. Isis are in fact enemies of both hamas and hezbollah. Its pure islamic jihad targeting a minority group

 

[faible]

This discussion is pointless.

The jewish community, the victims here, in a clear majority fashion, for 2 years and now, stated this government is failing them.

What are you all even arguing? They literally have told you the issue. Its not a real debate

I think we're arguing about the same usual cohort coming in with their same usual Islamophobic commentary, taking the opportunity of this tragedy to once against push their Islamophobic views.

Since it really won't 'fix' anything, but they don't actually care about that. Same way the LNP kept trying to water down things like racism discrimination laws, but now are blaming the ALP for not having tougher racial discrimination laws. They just want to be able to say hateful things about Muslims.

 

[blue boy]

I think we're arguing about the same usual cohort coming in with their same usual Islamophobic commentary, taking the opportunity of this tragedy to once against push their Islamophobic views.

Since it really won't 'fix' anything, but they don't actually care about that. Same way the LNP kept trying to water down things like racism discrimination laws, but now are blaming the ALP for not having tougher racial discrimination laws. They just want to be able to say hateful things about Muslims.

Maybe those you deem islamophobic are just labelling the problem what it is.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Police have now changed their position..


View attachment 2498530
“We don’t have definitive links between the individuals who committed these atrocities on Sunday and this yesterday apart from potential commonality in some thinking, but no associations at this stage.”

When asked “It does sound like these people apprehended had a similar sort of ideological adherence to Islamic extremism?”

Hudson replied: “That’s our belief at this stage, yes.”

He continued: “One of the locations that we believe they may have been attending was Bondi, and that caused us some concerns, obviously … We certainly wouldn’t like to take that risk.

“We haven’t found weapons in the car, apart from, I think, a knife. And that, I think, justifies our decision to go early before they really do obtain any further capability.”

One of them was “under active ASIO investigation”. Another was “known to ASIO”.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

They genuinely must just browse Bigfooty and Facebook and think there is this massive contingent of the Australian population that will nod their heads along with what they are saying.

As if that worked the last election.

You have a higher opinion of the Australian electorate than I do. Had this tragedy occurred in Dec 2024 instead of 2025 who knows what the impact on the federal election would've been.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Yep. And he rightly highlights the measured intelligent statement put out by the Jewish Council of Australia that I linked a few days back not long after the tragedy and which it has now expanded on to include these observations:

“Responses to this terrorist attack should be squarely focused on keeping Jewish people and all communities safe, not fulfilling a pro-Israel wishlist.”

“Jewish people, and people from every single racialised group, deserve safety, and we deserve solutions that truly deliver it. Our safety and the safety of every other marginalised group go hand in hand. We need to be strengthening connections between communities and cultivating grassroots efforts to tackle racism at its core.”

"The Jewish Council urges the Prime Minister to ensure that the Government’s response remains grounded in evidence, focused on prevention, the widest possible consultation and committed to unity."

If our media, including the ABC, are serious about getting an understanding of the response to this tragedy from those most affected and providing the Australian community with a proper understanding of the facts of the situation then why are they not quoting those sources instead of the likes of former politicians like Josh Frydenberg and John Howard?

To labour the point - why do they play the role of the Pavlov's Dogs (get my dog whistling reference) whenever John Howard is rolled out by conservatives want to light up their ageing and dwindling supporter base? What possible relevance does he have in 2025?

View attachment 2498280


The answer is of course - their interest is in promoting clicks and division for their feeds and TV news services and not one bit interested in informing.

We can sadly expect this from the commercial Nine and Seven media networks and, of course, the bilious Murdoch press. But to see the taxpayer funded ABC play the same game, with a few noted exceptions, is completely unacceptable.

In defence of the beleaguered ABC, they’ve been victimised by the Murdoch press for so long now, that if they don’t report on the fossilised talking turd spotted at Bondi Beach, they’ll have to weather weeks of pile-on from Murdoch’s rabid dogs for not being “balanced”.

This is exactly how Murdoch wants it.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Remind me how many people wanted Abbott gone after Sydney Cafe?

Quite a few in forums such as this TBH.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Exactly. Its likely these attacks have nothing to do with israel. Isis are in fact enemies of both hamas and hezbollah. Its pure islamic jihad targeting a minority group

And the West in general.

 

[Saint]

We don't need to just look after them, we need to stamp it out and try and reduce it as much as possible.

The example of the 2 Jewish bakers in Sydney who shut their doors the night AFTER the shootings, not because of the shootings itself, but because they offered free food in the wake of the event and got inundated with death threats, hate messages and a concerted effort of 1 star reviews....

Like seriously...


Whatever you think of racism in general, it's pretty clear we just need to sort out this one particular minority for the immediate future.

There's a problem.

Apart from this attack, Islamophobia is just as much a problem, or 3x worse if you look at general Australian attitudes according to studies (and posters on this board).

I completely reject singling any single religion or belief system out by law. The special treatment requested by the Envoy made things worse, not better. WHy should Israel be protected from criticism if Iran isn't?

 

[blue boy]

I think we're arguing about the same usual cohort coming in with their same usual Islamophobic commentary, taking the opportunity of this tragedy to once against push their Islamophobic views.

Since it really won't 'fix' anything, but they don't actually care about that. Same way the LNP kept trying to water down things like racism discrimination laws, but now are blaming the ALP for not having tougher racial discrimination laws. They just want to be able to say hateful things about Muslims.

What has anyone said in here thats actually islamophobic? No one has said to stay away from muslims or that they are all bad. Its all just saying, the data overwhelmingly states most terror attacks are done by one particular religion, so lets address the trend and try to solve the issue.

 

[Bloods86]

Just like my Indonesian Muslim friend is not a Syrian ISIS fighter.

If someone racialy abuses my friend and kills his family, should we just take a moment to acknowledge what ISIS did in Syria to the general population over there as some sort of validation and excuse to the rise in Islamophobia?

By extension, do we start making excuses for Islamic racial persecution absolutely everywhere because Islamic Extremists are killing members of the general public? I would have thought not….

I'd question your definition of "validation" and "excuse".

A potential explanation of why a bad thing is increasing isn't necessarily a validation or excuse for the bad thing.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Some epic virtue signalling in this thread.

?

 

[DapperDon]

Quite a few in forums such as this TBH.

How about media and political opposition?

 

[_Cerberus_]

This discussion is pointless.

The jewish community, the victims here, in a clear majority fashion, for 2 years and now, stated this government is failing them.

What are you all even arguing? They literally have told you the issue. Its not a real debate

They are indeed the victims here.

But if you actually paid attention. Why are you ignoring the massive coalition of Jews, who called out the Liberals and Murdoch medias actions this week as disgraceful. Who attended pro Palestine marches. Who sent an open letter, led by about nine major Australian Jewish groups, backed by almost 50 non Jewish/Semi Jewish groups. To the government on November 15th, asking to be included in the envoy, and for a greater representation of Jews in the envoy.

And to combat antisemitism in a non divisive way. Address rampant Islamophobia. Call out the war in Gaza, point out that Netanyahu is the leading threat to their own well beings world wide. I mean no s**t, just like all those so called wars on terror, put a target on Australias back and created more terror cells. And that the current Envoy led by Segal, is pushing harsh laws on behalf of the Israeli goverment as an attempt to silence people calling out the genocide.

I mean, seems to be a trend by you right wingers. Seen plenty insulting, calling names, and blocking those Jewish individuals, when they post on social media. Why does the views of only morally corrupt Zionist lobby only matter? Even Lib, Nat and One Nation politicians are refusing to reply to them when challenged on social media.

I mean it makes sense since its the Zionist Lobby that are in bed with Advance Australia, who finance the rights election campaigns. Gotta go where the money is I guess.