Bluemour Discussion Thread XV - Facts Not Welcome

[DirkDiggler]

You do also need someone quick, disciplined, niggly and agile to take on those nippy smalls.
If we have to watch poor old Plowman mis-matched on these guys again............angry face.

Garlett is the player some of us here have been talking about for some time, as someone who may be that missing link for our back-line.
Polson is busy though and always on the move. He wouldn't make for that exit player, but may be that shut-down player when needed.

EDIT: Just noticed some other posts. When exactly did Polson become Ben Cousins-like? When exactly did this happen?

It is because some player assessments from posters here are based purely on potential. Unfortunately player potential does not translate to capability.

 

[Soapy V]

It is because some player assessments from posters here are based purely on potential. Unfortunately player potential does not translate to capability.

Why not?

Most people's comment are based on potential. Of course they are. We in the middle of a rebuild and most of our talent is under 22 and aren't close to being the players we hope they will become

 

[Soapy V]

This is in no way meant to be anti-Polson and I didn't want to come back to this discussion but.......
You want one pure pressure player in the forward line? Fine, but not two and not three pure pressure players, as someone has to kick the goals.

Not saying this is possible but if it was and we can attain Gresham and someone like Hayward/Rozee/Stephenson/Billings...you get the idea, then all of a sudden we seem to have something to work with;

Gresham CCurnow Hayward/Rozee/Stephenson/Billings
Polson McKay McGovern...

......but to just stack on players that can't effectively kick over 40 meters, can't seperate, aren't dual-sided, aren't lightning quick, aren't great kicks etc etc, you know......we'll struggle and if Polson does become a Milne-type, well that would be something unbelievable.

Polson is 20 years old with 13 games and this is his first pre season. Missed most of his final school year with injury. Hasn't had a proper run at it yet.

I really struggle to understand the criticism of young players that haven't had a decent go yet. Not easy playing small forward (when you've never played it) and in a poor side.

Bloody hell people, give them a chance

 

[Soapy V]

You need good decision-making and composure to make it as a defender, and unfortunately Polson has neither of these traits. The only position for Polson in our best 22 is pressure forward.

Wrong

 

[HARKER]

Polson is 20 years old with 13 games and this is his first pre season. Missed most of his final school year with injury. Hasn't had a proper run at it yet.

I really struggle to understand the criticism of young players that haven't had a decent go yet. Not easy playing small forward (when you've never played it) and in a poor side.

Bloody hell people, give them a chance

Let's not discuss players at all then if we haven't something wonderful to adorn upon them.....Sorry, not me.

Polson isn't a particularly good nor long kick and his marking hasn't improved on what I saw in recent weeks.
(Fumbled, then dropped a few marks in a matter of minutes, that many here would have swallowed up)

Who isn't giving them a chance? I'll give every player a chance but when we're talking positions not every square peg fits into the round hole.....no matter how much 'hope' we have.

 

[Soapy V]

Yep we're certainly lacking a Neville Jetta, Dylan Grimes type. This is where the loss of Docherty & Williamson hurts even more.

As small/medium options we have Docherty Williamson Schumacher Cuningham Garlett Plowman Newman Silvagni Thomas Pickett on our list I reckon we are fine. Start winning the midfield ball and we will look very different

 

[Soapy V]

Let's not discuss players at all then if we haven't something wonderful to adorn upon them.....Sorry, not me.

Polson isn't a particularly good nor long kick and his marking hasn't improved on what I saw in recent weeks.
(Fumbled, then dropped a few marks in a matter of minutes, that many here would have swallowed up)

Who isn't giving them a chance? I'll give every player a chance but when we're talking positions not every square peg fits into the round hole.....no matter how much 'hope' we have.

No. People are making assessments on players ability that are young, inexperienced, nervous, don't yet believe and aren't yet fit enough to compete and in a poor side. Polson is a very good kick and is smart with ball in hand. His training this pre season has been first class. I've seen Cripps & Simpson fumble and make mistakes at training. Are they no good?

Reminds me of comments that McKay has a bad attitude, Weitering has no heart or Fisher is too small or Dow is a poor kick. FFS

 

[Jabba73]

It is all in the midfield people.

Defenders can’t defend if the opposition has time and space to do as they please.

Forwards can’t score if the midfield kicks are hurried and not to the advantage of their team mates.

Check any game for the last two seasons, we have proven this time and again.

We have enough at both ends to be dangerous, just need to link it all together through the middle.

 

[Mr_Plow]

I mean, we're sort of here to make our assessments of players' abilities.

It's why my starting midfield isn't TDK, Cottrell, Polson and LeBois.

 

[Soapy V]

It is all in the midfield people.

Defenders can’t defend if the opposition has time and space to do as they please.

Forwards can’t score if the midfield kicks are hurried and not to the advantage of their team mates.

Check any game for the last two seasons, we have proven this time and again.

We have enough at both ends to be dangerous, just need to link it all together through the middle.

100%

We now have depth and options and key players that are just starting to mature. Do well in the midfield with pressure both ways and we will see a very different side

 

[Big_Luch]

No. People are making assessments on players ability that are young, inexperienced, nervous, don't yet believe and aren't yet fit enough to compete and in a poor side. Polson is a very good kick and is smart with ball in hand. His training this pre season has been first class. I've seen Cripps & Simpson fumble and make mistakes at training. Are they no good?

Reminds me of comments that McKay has a bad attitude, Weitering has no heart or Fisher is too small or Dow is a poor quick. FFS

It's a forum though... we are meant to make assessments off what we have seen.

 

[Soapy V]

I mean, we're sort of here to make our assessments of players' abilities.

It's why my starting midfield isn't TDK, Cottrell, Polson and LeBois.

That’s not the point. We all have ideas of where they might play etc.

What is frustrating and I believe near sighted is people virtually writing off a player based on limited performances especially when very young in a poor side. It’s been happening since this rebuild started.

I’ve read people writing off McKay Weitering Charlie Dow Plowman Marchbank Fisher SPS O’Brien etc. based on very little evidence.

Amazes me

 

[Soapy V]

It's a forum though... we are meant to make assessments off what we have seen.

Yes. Nothing wrong with assessing but let’s base it on some solid evidence with an understanding of what it takes and what young players go through.

People writing young inexperienced players off IMO really shows a lack of understanding of what it takes

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

No. People are making assessments on players ability that are young, inexperienced, nervous, don't yet believe and aren't yet fit enough to compete and in a poor side. Polson is a very good kick and is smart with ball in hand. His training this pre season has been first class. I've seen Cripps & Simpson fumble and make mistakes at training. Are they no good?

Reminds me of comments that McKay has a bad attitude, Weitering has no heart or Fisher is too small or Dow is a poor quick. FFS

Of course that’s what people are doing. People do the same about draftees they have never seen, atleast people have seen Polson so can make a judgement on him.

 

[thylacine60]

It is because some player assessments from posters here are based purely on potential. Unfortunately player potential does not always translate to capability.

 

[Curnivore]

Polson pretty much much came out of high school as a bottom ager didn’t he??

Granted he’s a bit of a headless chook, but he’s gone up the ladder pretty quick.

He’s got a decent skill set, reminds me of a young Ben Cousins tbh.

Sticking with him.

Cousins played and moved with the grace and composure of an iceskater. I like CamPol for what he brings to the table, but he is as graceful as a newborn bambi on the piss.

 

[Big_Luch]

Yes. Nothing wrong with assessing but let’s base it on some solid evidence with an understanding of what it takes and what young players go through.

People writing young inexperienced players off IMO really shows a lack of understanding of what it takes

The most solid evidence would be AFL matches in which he hasn't shown much at all hence the criticisms.

The odds of a pick 59 making it are rather slim also.

Everyone hopes he makes it but they can only comment on what they have seen.

 

[HARKER]

No. People are making assessments on players ability that are young, inexperienced, nervous, don't yet believe and aren't yet fit enough to compete and in a poor side. Polson is a very good kick and is smart with ball in hand. His training this pre season has been first class. I've seen Cripps & Simpson fumble and make mistakes at training. Are they no good?

Reminds me of comments that McKay has a bad attitude, Weitering has no heart or Fisher is too small or Dow is a poor quick. FFS

Everyone is entitled to question players about their attributes, good and bad, if indeed there are any bad ones there.

People are making assessments on young players' abilities you say?
Isn't the club not treating young players differently just because they're young any more? Is this true or not and if true, why should the public not be in a position to do so either?

Of course we understand that development has to go into a players before the full potential is realised but along the way........

You want people to not rubbish players - I'm behind you.
You want people not to discuss anything remotely not favourable - Not going to happen.

 

[Soapy V]

The most solid evidence would be AFL matches in which he hasn't shown much at all hence the criticisms.

The odds of a pick 59 making it are rather slim also.

Everyone hopes he makes it but they can only comment on what they have seen.

Not sure what Pick 59 has to do with it.

What I am saying is people are making an assessment on a player that he isn’t good enough, can’t mark or fumbles to much etc based on a couple of games.

He is 20 and hasn’t had a pre season, hasn’t played much football in the last 4 years and isn’t yet fit enough in a poor side. Amazing what happens with fitness, experience, belief and good teammates.

Hard to really judge a player like Polson until he gets a good run at it.

I saw Polson at VFL last year get 28 possessions in the middle and didnt fumble and used the ball impressively. Was all class. Doesn’t mean he’s going to make it either

 

[Soapy V]

You want people to not rubbish players - I'm behind you.
You want people not to discuss anything remotely not favourable - Not going to happen.

Not what I said at all

 

[HARKER]

Anyway, the start point was about our possible forward set-up this year and there's a valid reason for that discussion in that we (me at least) don't know what shape it will take after dropping in the three talls.

I feel it may be something like this to get us going for round 1:

Murphy CCurnow SPS
McGovern McKay Polson (Polson maybe because Fasolo isn't available)

If anyone knows better, we're all ears.

 

[BuxbaumBixby]

Yes. Nothing wrong with assessing but let’s base it on some solid evidence with an understanding of what it takes and what young players go through.

People writing young inexperienced players off IMO really shows a lack of understanding of what it takes

Evidence? On a discussion forum purely designed for people to share their opinion?

.... sounds like we're only a couple of steps away from people starting to accuse others of 'fake news' every time something is put forward that doesn't fit with their own world view.

Love the positivity Soapy - but we're all here to share our views - right or wrong.

 

[HARKER]

Evidence? On a discussion forum purely designed for people to share their opinion?
.... sounds like we're only a couple of steps away from people starting to accuse others of 'fake news' every time something is put forward that doesn't fit with their own world view.
Love the positivity Soapy - but we're all here to share our views - right or wrong.

Even the most considered view may ultimately be proved wrong, but most of the player discussions I've come across, have reasons for them being expressed.
(Player A is shit, or player B is a spud don't count for a considered opinion. They're just emotional on the negative scale)

People will always discuss players, coaches, teams, boards etc. This won't stop but if one wants to enter the discussion, it's good to follow ones point with a 'because.' That makes all the difference.

 

[Aphrodite]

I'm in a bikie club.

 

[Opine]

I would have liked to see Polson transferred off the main list, and onto the Rookie list. Afford him more time to develop without pressure from expectation of immediate performance to validate a primary list spot.