Bluemour Discussion Thread XV - Facts Not Welcome

[Eiffel 65]

Maybe it explains the different growth levels of younger players too,for example Fishers development exudes confidence and belief where Weitering and Cuningham don’t ( although I’m fairly confident Cuningham will turn it around).

Might not explain the different rates of development but might explain why some are spending time in the VFL when fans are crying out for them to be named in the starting 22.

Weitering has struggled when the ball has been turned over on a fast break and Cuningham really hasn't had a lot of continuity.

 

[Ald Gardiner]

If it is indeed his back again rather than Crohn's, I am stoked.

He still has issues in this regard too

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

It's Crohn's unfortunately.

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

Crohn's should not prevent him from playing football in the long term. It is an unpredictable and difficult condition to live with but when he finds a way to manage it he'll be fine. My sister has it. It will just take him time to develop an eating plan and medication strategy. It's not over for Willo by any stretch. His recurring back issues worry me more to be honest. The back is a nasty enemy to have.

 

[barass70]

Crohn's should not prevent him from playing football in the long term. It is an unpredictable and difficult condition to live with but when he finds a way to manage it he'll be fine. My sister has it. It will just take him time to develop an eating plan and medication strategy. It's not over for Willo by any stretch. His recurring back issues worry me more to be honest. The back is a nasty enemy to have.

Back is fine and will play footy this year

 

[gardiner stand]

Did your source give any idea on what was being done to strengthen that aspect?

No he didn’t really elobrate in detail

Might not explain the different rates of development but might explain why some are spending time in the VFL when fans are crying out for them to be named in the starting 22.

Weitering has struggled when the ball has been turned over on a fast break and Cuningham really hasn't had a lot of continuity.

I know last year that players asked to play twos because the pressure for seniors was too much....kerridge was one of them

 

[JuddgementDay]

Back is fine and will play footy this year

That's great to hear!

 

[Blue__Balls]

I'm so confused.

It's Crohns.
It's a travel virus.
It's his back.
It's Crohns and his career is over.
It's not Crohns, he's just being rested.
It's his back, not Crohns.
It's Crohns, his back is fine.

I'm just gonna assume he's done, and if he makes a comeback in the next couple of years I'll be ecstatic.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Okay, so apparently it's not his back.

Club going to great lengths to hide a Crohn's diagnosis. There really isn't any stigma attached to it, but whatever.

Hope to see you out there in 2019, Tommy.

 

[Blue and Blue]

I dont like the way the players get spoken about like they are only a commodity. Actually they are flesh and blood.
I dont believe we have a right to every detail about them.

 

[Mr_Plow]

I dont like the way the players get spoken about like they are only a commodity. Actually they are flesh and blood.
I dont believe we have a right to every detail about them.

Certainly, if Williamson doesn't want his health information in the public realm, that is absolutely fine.

The Marchbank and Macreadie ones are really unusual though.

 

[Laphroaig]

One little piece of info I did get though is that one of Russell’s first impressions of our playing group is that he thought there was a mental fragility amongst some of the younger and senior players. Not sure what that means though.

I interpret that as a lack of inner drive and ability to deal with adversity.

The simpler, and therefore more likely assumption is that getting beaten every week - and often flogged - is corrosive.

Our older players have a decade of losing more than they win behind them, and the experience that the few times the side has a decent year it is followed by a crash.

It's likely that some of our second and third year players will have NEVER played in a win. All of them certainly have plenty of experience of defeat, to the point that it will be difficult to run onto the ground and not expect to lose.

None of this acquired negativity represents faulty motivation, or lack of will, or personal shortcomings. It is situational, and working through it is at this point the major challenge facing the club - as it was for Melbourne a few short years ago. In fact, a case could be made that the Melbourne side still suffers from a deeply buried lack of belief.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Certainly, if Williamson doesn't want his health information in the public realm, that is absolutely fine.

The Marchbank and Macreadie ones are really unusual though.

Macwho?.....yes he especially is the forgotten man indeed.

 

[Eiffel 65]

No he didn’t really elobrate in detail

I know last year that players asked to play twos because the pressure for seniors was too much....kerridge was one of them

Really feel for him if that's the case and I can see why he would feel that way.

Kerridge, Lamb, Thomas, Mullet and O'Shea to name a few were ravaged by the media on a regular basis.

It's easy for us supporters to sit in the stands with a tinny and Four N Twenty whilst judging performances but I think we really need to remember these guys are human and they're trying their guts out for the club.

 

[Red Bull]

Really feel for him if that's the case and I can see why he would feel that way.

Kerridge, Lamb, Thomas, Mullet and O'Shea to name a few were ravaged by the media on a regular basis.

It's easy for us supporters to sit in the stands with a tinny and Four N Twenty whilst judging performances but I think we really need to remember these guys are human and they're trying their guts out for the club.

 

[TooBlue14]

If it’s too much pressure in the seniors you’ve probsbly chosen the wrong career. Pressure is only going to get bigger from here. Surely the reason O’Shea mullett graham and Kerridge are no longer on our list if they were regularly asking to play VFL. surely you can’t take your pay check home each week knowing you’re sending a kid out then in place of a seasoned player like Kerridge. Glad he’s not on our list anymore if that’s the case. What does attitude say to Dow and O’Brien if it’s too much for the 25 year old.

 

[Metalcrusher]

The simpler, and therefore more likely assumption is that getting beaten every week - and often flogged - is corrosive.

Our older players have a decade of losing more than they win behind them, and the experience that the few times the side has a decent year it is followed by a crash.

It's likely that some of our second and third year players will have NEVER played in a win. All of them certainly have plenty of experience of defeat, to the point that it will be difficult to run onto the ground and not expect to lose.

None of this acquired negativity represents faulty motivation, or lack of will, or personal shortcomings. It is situational, and working through it is at this point the major challenge facing the club - as it was for Melbourne a few short years ago. In fact, a case could be made that the Melbourne side still suffers from a deeply buried lack of belief.

Top post …. you lose week in week out, you pitch up to a match expecting to lose. Its a bloody significant hurdle to overcome.

Or you pitch up to a match and are competitive until the tide turns then you fold …….

 

[Blue and Blue]

I find it rather strange to think any of them actually asked to play VFL at least in the context suggested. It goes against every aspiration for footballers and sportspeople.
I take the rumour with a grain of salt.

 

[spry]

If it’s too much pressure in the seniors you’ve probsbly chosen the wrong career. Pressure is only going to get bigger from here. Surely the reason O’Shea mullett graham and Kerridge are no longer on our list if they were regularly asking to play VFL. surely you can’t take your pay check home each week knowing you’re sending a kid out then in place of a seasoned player like Kerridge. Glad he’s not on our list anymore if that’s the case. What does attitude say to Dow and O’Brien if it’s too much for the 25 year old.

It may be subjective, but I saw a real defiant resolve grow in O’Brien and Dow in the final rounds last year when we were belted through and through. I’m glad our recruiting preferences hard work over flair. (Walsh v Rankine) I think it actually may be a strategy for our list management to target rural kids. How many farmers sons do we have in our midfield!?


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[Eiffel 65]

If it’s too much pressure in the seniors you’ve probsbly chosen the wrong career. Pressure is only going to get bigger from here. Surely the reason O’Shea mullett graham and Kerridge are no longer on our list if they were regularly asking to play VFL. surely you can’t take your pay check home each week knowing you’re sending a kid out then in place of a seasoned player like Kerridge. Glad he’s not on our list anymore if that’s the case. What does attitude say to Dow and O’Brien if it’s too much for the 25 year old.

I don't agree with that.

O'Shea, Mullett, Graham and Kerridge were unfairly maligned for Carlton's short comings on a regular basis.

It was unfair on them. Graham was a back end pick, Mullett was delisted from his original club, O'Shea came from the VFL and Kerridge was only a fringe player at best in his time at the crows.

These guys were unfairly placed in the spotlight because we decided to trade out our most talented senior players in the likes of Tuohy, Gibbs, Betts, Waite etc.

 

[TooBlue14]

I don't agree with that.

O'Shea, Mullett, Graham and Kerridge were unfairly maligned for Carlton's short comings on a regular basis.

It was unfair on them. Graham was a back end pick, Mullett was delisted from his original club, O'Shea came from the VFL and Kerridge was only a fringe player at best in his time at the crows.

These guys were unfairly placed in the spotlight because we decided to trade out our most talented senior players in the likes of Tuohy, Gibbs, Betts, Waite etc.

I don’t really care if their in too much spotlight. You can’t seeioisly condone a player wishing to play vfl when he knows full well the person replacing him is an 18/19 year old. Anyone that’s taking that line at Carlton can **** off to the northern blues. In fact they can go further maybe Frankston can take them. Heaps less pressure there.

 

[Soapy V]

Top post …. you lose week in week out, you pitch up to a match expecting to lose. Its a bloody significant hurdle to overcome.

Or you pitch up to a match and are competitive until the tide turns then you fold …….

I don’t think it’s that simple Crush. The quality of the people involved means much more.

I’m of a strong belief that this group are driven to take us back to the top. They know it will take time BUT if they keep persisting and improving it will happen. They really believe they are building something and so does the club. They are all on the same page. The addition of Russell has possibly taken it to a new level.

It’s hard to put into words but they understand their position and what it will take. The pre season has shown it after such a tough year. The tougher it gets the harder the resolve to improve and make it to the top

I really believe that once they get the experience and win a few games they will take off. GWS went through a worse period and then took off. Our culture is as good, probably better.

Walsh is the classic example. Nothing phases him and he will trust himself to keep pushing until he gets there. Our group is much like that

 

[Red Bull]

I don't agree with that.

O'Shea, Mullett, Graham and Kerridge were unfairly maligned for Carlton's short comings on a regular basis.

It was unfair on them. Graham was a back end pick, Mullett was delisted from his original club, O'Shea came from the VFL and Kerridge was only a fringe player at best in his time at the crows.

These guys were unfairly placed in the spotlight because we decided to trade out our most talented senior players in the likes of Tuohy, Gibbs, Betts, Waite etc.

Cant recall any of these blokes being conscripted to play AFL.

They were played.
They were judged.
They were flicked.

 

[Arr0w]

I don't agree with that.

O'Shea, Mullett, Graham and Kerridge were unfairly maligned for Carlton's short comings on a regular basis.

It was unfair on them. Graham was a back end pick, Mullett was delisted from his original club, O'Shea came from the VFL and Kerridge was only a fringe player at best in his time at the crows.

These guys were unfairly placed in the spotlight because we decided to trade out our most talented senior players in the likes of Tuohy, Gibbs, Betts, Waite etc.

Only winners want the ball Eiffel

 

[ESKIE]

I thought I’d have something definitive on Willo today but donuts....sorry..I’ll keep prodding.
One little piece of info I did get though is that one of Russell’s first impressions of our playing group is that he thought there was a mental fragility amongst some of the younger and senior players. Not sure what that means though.

Thanks for your info gs, it’s appreciated