Preview Rnd 2 - Carlton V Port Adelaide Saturday 30th March 5.10PM @ Adelaide Oval - TEAM - Post #727

[bmaurizio]

Garlett, Ed, Gibbon, Phillips and Cuningham will all be replace as better oppotions are available . We need patience another 4 to 5 weeks to get the balance right. Most teams are in the same position.

 

[Macca43]

Garlett, Ed, Gibbon, Phillips and Cuningham will all be replace as better oppotions are available . We need patience another 4 to 5 weeks to get the balance right. Most teams are in the same position.

Cuningham is going nowhere if he keeps this vein of form. He has been terrific in every game we have played so far.

 

[Benaly28]

Garlett, Ed, Gibbon, Phillips and Cuningham will all be replace as better oppotions are available . We need patience another 4 to 5 weeks to get the balance right. Most teams are in the same position.

Cunners is now best 22.Not going anywhwre,Gibbons way too early to tell,the others yes.

 

[thylacine60]

Garlett, Ed, Gibbon, Phillips and Cuningham will all be replace as better oppotions are available . We need patience another 4 to 5 weeks to get the balance right. Most teams are in the same position.

seriously......

 

[JustaBattler]

Ed ended up with 25 possessions and 12 marks on the weekend - I think your may not understand what he is being asked to do.

I agree I probably dont understand what he is being asked to do - but I am guessing it includes distributing the ball to forward's advantage and maybe kicking a goal or two himself - Ed was a rabbit in spotlights on too many occasions against richmond and his JLT 'form' playing that role was no better. Would prefer to see him get his 25 possessions in the middle and give off to blokes who know how to kick the ball into forward fifty better than he can. Butchered two easy goal set ups - can't afford that type of execution from a senior player in a developing team and hope to win games. Same for Garlett a fish out of water in defense atm - places unnecessary pressure on his team mates who have to cover for him and then recover from execution errors when he has the ball. As for Phillips - if he cant play 85% time on field and keep up running with an average runner in Nankervis and positions himself badly in defense when he does get there x3 goals - he is a liability in a developing side- may as well be playing TDK for development time (sadly he is now injured). Gibbons is a nice debut 'story' rah rah - where are the goals where are the tackles and turnovers and pressure? Sorry not good enough fella.

 

[Macca43]

unfortunately 20 of those disposals ended up in the hands of players wearing yellow and black. To indecisive, had the ball twice knowing he couldn't make the 40m journey and held on to it for too long.

DE of 72% & 8 score involvements suggest this isn't the case. He had 6 turnovers.

And I agree his decision making needs to improve but I think it will if we persevere.

 

[thylacine60]

macca, your offensive work is less so when you are defending.........

 

[Macca43]

I agree I probably dont understand what he is being asked to do - but I am guessing it includes distributing the ball to forward's advantage and maybe kicking a goal or two himself - Ed was a rabbit in spotlights on too many occasions against richmond and his JLT 'form' playing that role was no better. Would prefer to see him get his 25 possessions in the middle and give off to blokes who know how to kick the ball into forward fifty better than he can. Butchered two easy goal set ups - can't afford that type of execution from a senior player in a developing team and hope to win games. Same for Garlett a fish out of water in defense atm - places unnecessary pressure on his team mates who have to cover for him and then recover from execution errors when he has the ball. As for Phillips - if he cant play 85% time on field and keep up running with an average runner in Nankervis and positions himself badly in defense when he does get there x3 goals - he is a liability in a developing side- may as well be playing TDK for development time (sadly he is now injured). Gibbons is a nice debut 'story' rah rah - where are the goals where are the tackles and turnovers and pressure? Sorry not good enough fella.

8 score involvements out of 19 scoring shots isn't good enough for you?

 

[CJMB]

We scored 64 points!!!!!

So more than Melbourne, North, Eagles, Crows and * and not far off Swans, Pies & Cats....

 

[F_therest]

Gotta trust the forwards in a one-on-one. That should be the message to the mids this week. If Harry or Gov or Charlie or Fas has a defender isolated, pull the trigger. Of the possible results - we mark, we win a free, we halve the contest, we lose possession - I'll take three out of the four. Good odds.

Normally i would agree, except Faz and Charlie lost pretty much every contest they were in.

Our mids got burned from kicking it to them, as it just resulted in a Richmond rebound. Those 2 need to lift considerably this week.

 

[JustaBattler]

8 score involvements out of 19 scoring shots isn't good enough for you?

I'm a huge Ed fan buddy - always have been -- even when he was a punching bag on here years ago - I knew he value to the side was his gut running and ability to shut players down - if he had even average kicking and hand balling skill he would have been AA years ago. Fact is Bolton is playing to is weaknesses right now trying to engineer him into something Ed can't be consistently good at doing.

Anyway my player comments in this thread are about what will work against us in the coming port game - no comments on the rest of my observations in context of the Port game I see. 4-5 players not working well is a huge load for the rest to carry - not rocket science to figure out likely outcome.

Since you like to use stats - consider this - base don most stats that shoudl have been a 1-3 goal game maximum between the sides- but it wasn't. Ask yourself why?

Richmond game showed massive improvement in running power for the side- but it all showed up the fact that if you don't take your chances you are just running hard with no reward - skill execution not effort lost the game against Richmond and skill execution comes down to who is playing in what position and can they handle it or not.

My points are about structural set ups and skill execution. This year we should expect to see much better two way running but if execution doesn't improve- we wont win many games at all and we might lose games that we looked like we were on top for 4 quarters as well.

 

[Macca43]

I'm a huge Ed fan buddy - always have been -- even when he was a punching bag on here years ago - I knew he value to the side was his gut running and ability to shut players down - if he had even average kicking and hand balling skill he would have been AA years ago. Fact is Bolton is playing to is weaknesses right now trying to engineer him into something Ed can't be consistently good at doing.

Anyway my player comments in this thread are about what will work against us in the coming port game - no comments on the rest of my observations in context of the Port game I see. 4-5 players not working well is a huge load for the rest to carry - not rocket science to figure out likely outcome.

Since you like to use stats - consider this - base don most stats that shoudl have been a 1-3 goal game maximum between the sides- but it wasn't. Ask yourself why?

Richmond game showed massive improvement in running power for the side- but it all showed up the fact that if you don't take your chances you are just running hard with no reward - skill execution not effort lost the game against Richmond and skill execution comes down to who is playing in what position and can they handle it or not.

My points are about structural set ups and skill execution. This year we should expect to see much better two way running but if execution doesn't improve- we wont win many games at all and we might lose games that we looked like we were on top for 4 quarters as well.

Go and have a look at the clearance stats for round 1 2018 and compare them to round 1 2019 and you will see what Bolton is doing. It isn't about pushing Ed down it is about raising others up. It isn't about the here and now but the next decade.

But again, Ed made mistakes but he got plenty of the ball, his 12 marks indicate he presented well, and the was involved in close to half our scores - there is something to build on going forward.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Go and have a look at the clearance stats for round 1 2018 and compare them to round 1 2019 and you will see what Bolton is doing. It isn't about pushing Ed down it is about raising others up. It isn't about the here and now but the next decade.

But again, Ed made mistakes but he got plenty of the ball, his 12 marks indicate he presented well, and the was involved in close to half our scores - there is something to build on going forward.

If this position is going to be a long-term thing (and Ed is mostly bloody good at it, aside from moving the ball inside 50), our mids need to be there for the handball receive after he marks it.

Looking at guys like Fisher, SPS, Cuningham, Setterfield, Walsh, Murphy, etc.

 

[Macca43]

If this position is going to be a long-term thing (and Ed is mostly bloody good at it, aside from moving the ball inside 50), our mids need to be there for the handball receive after he marks it.

Looking at guys like Fisher, SPS, Cuningham, Setterfield, Walsh, Murphy, etc.

I was just thinking that myself. I look at it in a similar vein as Earl Spalding.

Ed clearly presents really well, just help him out on the decision making by making it easy, look for handball and let them choose the option.

 

[F_therest]

8 score involvements out of 19 scoring shots isn't good enough for you?

In his first game in that position, playing with new forwards like Faz and Gibbons. Against Richmond.

Decent start if you ask me, just needs to get better cohesion with the other forwards to move the ball on quicker.

 

[JustaBattler]

Go and have a look at the clearance stats for round 1 2018 and compare them to round 1 2019 and you will see what Bolton is doing. It isn't about pushing Ed down it is about raising others up. It isn't about the here and now but the next decade.

But again, Ed made mistakes but he got plenty of the ball, his 12 marks indicate he presented well, and the was involved in close to half our scores - there is something to build on going forward.

"Ed works well enough to get the ball" is your insight and my observation is "he doesn't know what to do with it when he does get it". However wot about the other three ( again) you are silent about - how many 'experiments' for future can a side handle before it all becomes a silly mess and (again) my point is the coming game against Port....

 

[ESKIE]

We scored 64 points!!!!!

Collingwood 65
Melbourne 61
Adelaide 55
Swans 65
Eagles 58
Essendon 40
North 59

Edit: the average score for Round 1 2019 was 76 points, the lowest in 64 years

 

[Blue and Silver]

Thoughts after some contemplation:

1) the performance against was competitive, but patchy

2) we need to put some faith in the forwards and leave them unchanged. Cohesion is key, and we won't get that chopping and changing.

3) the Power midfield is unlikely to be as strong as Richmond, we may expect a stronger performance here.

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[Soapy V]

This. He's not a defender. Its like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

Give him a chance. Still young and inexperienced and in a new role at Carlton. Shown good signs and it’s amazing what some confidence and experience can do. His opponent was quiet as well.

Only 29 games in 4 seasons.

 

[Macca43]

"Ed works well enough to get the ball" is your insight and my observation is "he doesn't know what to do with it when he does get it". However wot about the other three ( again) you are silent about - how many 'experiments' for future can a side handle before it all becomes a silly mess and (again) my point is the coming game against Port....

Again a DE of 72% and 8 score involvements suggest otherwise.

As for the other 3, I was pretty strong in saying that I wold take JSOS (before he got injured) or Kennedy (if his shoulder was right) over Gibbons as I wasn't overly impressed in the JLT but with those two out it is him or Polson so why not give Gibbons a couple of weeks. Phillips is clearly just a place holder until Kreuzer is right to go, it is tempting to go with TDK after his performance in the 2's last week but I can see why they would go with a more mature body and with Docherty, Marchbank, Williamson and MacReadie injured and Schumacher still raw it leaves us with few options other than Garlett at half back. He has some qualities that make it worth trying until one of the others is right to go.

So basically of your 4 that need to go, I think you are being to harsh on Ed and not considering the reality of injuries making the others the most logical alternative as short term solutions.

 

[F_therest]

Give him a chance. Still young and inexperienced and in a new role at Carlton. Shown good signs and it’s amazing what some confidence and experience can do. His opponent was quiet as well.

Only 29 games in 4 seasons.

Did i watch a different game live and on replay? Garlett wasn't even that bad, didn't get involved much but neither did his opponent...not like he got 5 kicked on him.

Can't really recall any big mistakes to warrant people saying that he's 'not good enough as a defender'.

 

[Soapy V]

Did i watch a different game live and on replay? Garlett wasn't even that bad, didn't get involved much but neither did his opponent...not like he got 5 kicked on him.

Can't really recall any big mistakes to warrant people saying that he's 'not good enough as a defender'.

Different players become the focus at different times. Is Garlett starring? Nope but there are positive signs along with a lot to work on. Last year people were saying he was soft. I’d suggest he’s addressed that.

Like with Cuningham, give him a chance, allow him some time and we might just have another piece in the puzzle [emoji6]

 

[cfc4life]

One other thing that was frustrating(and has been an issue for a couple of years) is our forwards being too unselfish and not pinging a shot. It happened at least three or four times this week. Back yourselves.

 

[Macca43]

One other thing that was frustrating(and has been an issue for a couple of years) is our forwards being too unselfish and not pinging a shot. It happened at least three or four times this week. Back yourselves.

Watching on TV I noticed this but wondered if they actually had more pressure in front of them (and less space) than it appeared on the screen.

 

[La Dispute]

Not sure how much creedence you can't put into round 1, WRT Port's form. They've clearly drafted some good players, with skill and pace, but they're kids and wont play to the same level each week. All of Butters, Duursma and Rozee played well, but they'll have some down games too. Have to remember Melbourne were deplorable, and possibly played their worst game round 1. Essendon beat them in Round 2(?) 2016 with their top-up team, and clearly there is still some mental fragility there.

I think we're a pretty good shot if we provide the same intensity we've shown over the JLT and against Richmond.