Oppo Camp Jaidyn Stephenson (Traded to Nth Melb. 2020)

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about ?

About him single-handedly costing us 5 goals and the game. Laughable.

 

[jathanas]

Not a balanced appraisal, and yet you essentially agree with me?

He's clearly struggling, and might need to find some form in the VFL - not going to hurt him.

Of course the senior players need to shoulder plenty of responsibility. But they have the runs on the board to bounce back off a poor week.

I agree with you 100% that he didn't set the world on fire on Saturday night and that his mistakes were atypical. I disagree that he lowered his colors as much as some of our senior players or that he should be dropped (this week anyway).

A more balanced balanced appraisal IMO would take into account (a) the broader view of the team situation, does he go and Greenwood stays? and (b) do we have a ready made speedster to replace him with? Our team looked slow on Saturday night, do we remove one of our fastest? Only if WHE was ready and there was nobody else that deserved to be dropped more than Stephenson would I consider it this week.

 

[sr36]

I wrote in the game day post. that unfortunately for the kid he literally cost us the game. he had 2 joe the gooses over the top which last year he would have kicked those 2 goals. and then he kicked 2 out on the full which results in the next play goals to WC and the 50 metre penalty. so he directly cost us 5 goals ( 30 points ) in a game that we lose by 22. he is certainly lacking a bit of confidence atm. i'd love the coached to mix it up just a little bit more. play him off half back perhaps and break the lines. especially against wc as kicking through their zone does not work. so get him the ball in hand and take them on.

I reckon they are so good at covering exits that you've got no alternative. I think we should target the zone itself. Give MacGovern the treatment that we used to give Travis Cloke. Kick it on top of his head, with Mihocek bodying up on him, someone flying over the top and a few midfielders hitting the ball drop.

 

[domin8tors]

About him single-handedly costing us 5 goals and the game. Laughable.

but he did cost us 5 goals. so how is this laughable ? so rather then LOL.. how would you have interpreted those 5 passages of play ?

 

[domin8tors]

I reckon they are so good at covering exits that you've got no alternative. I think we should target the zone itself. Give MacGovern the treatment that we used to give Travis Cloke. Kick it on top of his head, with Mihocek bodying up on him, someone flying over the top and a few midfielders hitting the ball drop.

yeah i guess in hindsight was dropping Varcoe the right call he does play front and square well and his tackles stick. even mixing things up a little more as varcoe can play off HB. so i would have loved to see someone like Maynard or Crisp thrown on the wing. especially given that Crisp struggled to get involved in the game.

 

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but he did cost us 5 goals. so how is this laughable ? so rather then LOL.. how would you have interpreted those 5 passages of play ?

By the same token, if he wasn't playing, we'd probably have had no one running over the top to link up, and wouldn't have scored anyway. You surely can't blame a second year player on a loss against the reigning premier.

 

[sr36]

yeah i guess in hindsight was dropping Varcoe the right call he does play front and square well and his tackles stick. even mixing things up a little more as varcoe can play off HB. so i would have loved to see someone like Maynard or Crisp thrown on the wing. especially given that Crisp struggled to get involved in the game.

My take is I think the Richmond game made us over confident in our ability to hit passes around and through the WCE zone. We thought we'd be able to do it against WCE. Varcoe's attacking game is to buzz around the spillage of long kicks to a contest, he doesn't spread well and he doesn't hit up to provide a short passing option. He was bypassed and useless against Richmond because we didn't have to kick long to the contest. I think we thought we'd be better off with another bloke who could spread, present and make themselves a short pass option. However, we needed him against WCE. We separated too much to try to spread their zone, which meant that when WCE forced us to go long to a contest, we didn't get as many blokes to the spillage as they had.

In his early years as coach, Bucks seemed pretty inflexible and unwilling to change an idea even when it was obvious he was flogging a dead horse. I really hope this doesn't happen again and we don't make chipping the ball around a zone our transition A game.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Stevo had a shocker the other night, but I would back him in again.

He seems to spending a lot of time on the wings, and I think we need to bring him back closer to goal. I don't think he is ready to play that far up the ground yet.

 

[Aishole]

I wrote in the game day post. that unfortunately for the kid he literally cost us the game. he had 2 joe the gooses over the top which last year he would have kicked those 2 goals. and then he kicked 2 out on the full which results in the next play goals to WC and the 50 metre penalty. so he directly cost us 5 goals ( 30 points ) in a game that we lose by 22. he is certainly lacking a bit of confidence atm. i'd love the coached to mix it up just a little bit more. play him off half back perhaps and break the lines. especially against wc as kicking through their zone does not work. so get him the ball in hand and take them on.

I'm just going to assume you are new to watching AFL and aren't aware that its a team game. You know... how theres 22 collingwood players vs. An opposing 22 players. Yeah, i'm just going to go with that.

 

[rand corp]

He wouldn't be that pleased with how his year has started out and I think he would have to consider himself fighting for his place at the moment. Has enormous talent and will no doubt be a great player - just a good kid in his second season who has plenty of work to do.

 

[jathanas]

Stevo had a shocker the other night, but I would back him in again.

He seems to spending a lot of time on the wings, and I think we need to bring him back closer to goal. I don't think he is ready to play that far up the ground yet.

Agreed, when we get the hyphen back on the wing, that will free him to roam the forward 50.

 

[Aishole]

I wrote in the game day post. that unfortunately for the kid he literally cost us the game. he had 2 joe the gooses over the top which last year he would have kicked those 2 goals. and then he kicked 2 out on the full which results in the next play goals to WC and the 50 metre penalty. so he directly cost us 5 goals ( 30 points ) in a game that we lose by 22. he is certainly lacking a bit of confidence atm. i'd love the coached to mix it up just a little bit more. play him off half back perhaps and break the lines. especially against wc as kicking through their zone does not work. so get him the ball in hand and take them on.

But, But, But langdon missed 5 targets in this game!! if he had hit those targets, it could've started a scoring chain and resulted in 5 goals!! I blame Tom Langdon for this loss. It is all Toms fault !!!

 

[sr36]

He wouldn't be that pleased with how his year has started out and I think he would have to consider himself fighting for his place at the moment. Has enormous talent and will no doubt be a great player - just a good kid in his second season who has plenty of work to do.

Has looked likely but just seems a bit too indecisive and wanting to share it around too much rather than just taking it on. He'll get it right and become a star.

 

[jackcass]

I don't think Stevo has been playing any worse than the vast majority of his 2018. He was always hot and cold. It's the small-medium forwards curse. Major difference is that he's playing further up the ground more often this year.

 

[DaVe86]

He had a shocker.

It happens.

Still a gun player. He plays on instincts and isn't afraid to take the game on. So you are going to get the odd mistake, particularly while he is young. You wouldn't want to coach it out of him though.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Atu is quicker then Stevo and more physically developed.

I wouldn't be against swapping the 2 and see how it goes.

Please do not take this the wrong way, but what’s the deal with Atu Bosenavulagi? I don’t get the whole thing about him, granted from the little I’ve seen.

Then onto Stephenson, the guy has that X factor. Really should have kicked that goal instead of passing to Cox.
Wanted to do the team thing.
He’s the real deal in my view.

 

[domin8tors]

By the same token, if he wasn't playing, we'd probably have had no one running over the top to link up, and wouldn't have scored anyway. You surely can't blame a second year player on a loss against the reigning premier.

But, But, But langdon missed 5 targets in this game!! if he had hit those targets, it could've started a scoring chain and resulted in 5 goals!! I blame Tom Langdon for this loss. It is all Toms fault !!!

Firstly no i'm no new to the game and suffice to say probably got further towards the highest then yourself good sir. perhaps my mistake in writing the word "literally ". as it appears to have created a stir and taken the point out of context.. whilst yes Langdon Could've impacted the scoring. Stephenson did. in that what would usually be a regulation goal in the goal square by his direct next possession he either missed the kick in Elliot decision or gave too much hang time with the cox handball. ditto out on the full, on the WC 50 metre line. the inbound kick resulted in the next WC goal. Do i blame stephenson for the loss no. but like it or not some moments in games have a greater impact. look at scarlett toe pock to Ablett back in 2009. or the bounce of stephen milnes kick back in 2010.. i reckon ask any st.kilda supporter about that game and can almost gurantee they will all go back to that single moment.

 

[Buckley is my hero]

I don't think Stevo has been playing any worse than the vast majority of his 2018. He was always hot and cold. It's the small-medium forwards curse. Major difference is that he's playing further up the ground more often this year.

We were beaten by the best team in the competition in west Coast. The Geelong game could have gone either way as we were leading with 5 minutes to play. We've beaten the 2017 premiers. That summarises the first 3 games of the season, yet people think the sky has fallen in and we have to drop players like Stephenson. Stephenson, as you say is playing further up the ground this year. So what's Stephenson done to deserve being dropped?

 

[Markfs]

there's only one conclusion to make...... trade him. We might be able to get a second round pick from hawthorn

 

[Buckley is my hero]

Firstly no i'm no new to the game and suffice to say probably got further towards the highest then yourself good sir. perhaps my mistake in writing the word "literally ". as it appears to have created a stir and taken the point out of context.. whilst yes Langdon Could've impacted the scoring. Stephenson did. in that what would usually be a regulation goal in the goal square by his direct next possession he either missed the kick in Elliot decision or gave too much hang time with the cox handball. ditto out on the full, on the WC 50 metre line. the inbound kick resulted in the next WC goal. Do i blame stephenson for the loss no. but like it or not some moments in games have a greater impact. look at scarlett toe pock to Ablett back in 2009. or the bounce of stephen milnes kick back in 2010.. i reckon ask any st.kilda supporter about that game and can almost gurantee they will all go back to that single moment.

You rightly name a few incidents from previous grand finals but you overlook that football is a team sport and at the pace it's being played there are mistakes going on all the time that only the coaches can see and the bit you see is the player at the end of the chain who executes the the final delivery of the ball. You remember Milne not getting his hands to the ball and it going through for a point but do you remember the player who kicked the ball towards Milne? The only real blame you can attach to a player is when they have a regular shot at goal, which they would nail 9 times out of 10 at training and they miss one they should have kicked. Down the other end of the ground if the defender goes to ground and the opposition run it through for a goal, that's another obvious mistake. Other than that good luck pinpointing the errors going out on the ground. It makes you better than the rest of us.

 

[Markfs]

i think people who get overly frustrated by mistakes should probably turn to basketball which is played in an indoor court with a round ball on a perfectly flat court. The players make passes usually over a few metres and easy scoring requires them to jump up in the air and place a ball in a basket and they get a bonus point for managing to throw a ball 5 metres accurately.

 

[TradeDraft]

He looks like a Player who is Lacking lot of Confidence

 

[Aishole]

i think people who get overly frustrated by mistakes should probably turn to basketball which is played in an indoor court with a round ball on a perfectly flat court. The players make passes usually over a few metres and easy scoring requires them to jump up in the air and place a ball in a basket and they get a bonus point for managing to throw a ball 5 metres accurately.

Are you trying to say basketball is an easy sport? that is laughable. If it is that easy, why aren't you in the NBA making millions? Have a go trying to score anything 1on1 against a 6'10" 115kg freak of nature.

Some people need to take a step back ... So easy to say stuff like this from the comfort of your living room.

 

[Markfs]

Are you trying to say basketball is an easy sport? that is laughable. If it is that easy, why aren't you in the NBA making millions? Have a go trying to score anything 1on1 against a 6'10" 115kg freak of nature.

Some people need to take a step back ... So easy to say stuff like this from the comfort of your living room.

Did I say it was easy? Yes, I agree that NBA basketballers are outrageously tall - in fact a lot taller than the guys who originally played basketball. In those days, it took reasonable skill to throw a 2 pointer. They didnt just put it in.

At any rate, if someone made a bet with me to make a 3 pointer or to kick a 65 metre goal like Paul Seedsman did on the weekend, I know which one I would pick.

 

[legendstatus]

To slender to play as a forward target, just get him on the wing and tell him to play his nature game!


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