Player Watch #5: Brandon Ellis - off to GC pick 39 as compo

[TigerImposter]

And the best of the players around them were Sam Lloyd and Dan Butler (apols to Nathan Drummond but you have get on the park mate). You would hope than in any five year period you might get a couple of beauties. Vlossy and Macca were our best over that five year period 2010-14

Did you end up cleaning up on that bet?

 

[THE_GUN]

Every one bar Astbury i could live with. But your kidding yourself if you think they have currency imo.

Astbury free agent 2nd rounder
Ellis free agent 2nd rounder
Castagna - Late 2nd 3rd
Butler - 2nd rounder

 

[TigerImposter]

Maybe it is time to consider a rebuild of sorts

Richmond players like Ellis,Astbury,Butler,Castagna have some currency and perhaps might be an idea to cash in and recruit the next gen.

A $9 four pack of Lemon and Ginger kombucha at Coles

 

[Phar Ace]

Exactly,

I have lost faith in Ellis, but I still don't think he is soft. He isn't, this is just people who want him as their whipping boy calling him every name under the sun. He hesitates with the ball and panics under pressure, but without the ball he is and can be as tough as nails.

Agree ND, it's a phrase that satisfies a certain form of abuse is all. Rarely backed up with anything substantial. He has repeatedly admitted he has to challenge himself with being one of the first at training to do contested work, and usually the last.

"One coach throws a footy at his feet. Another pushes a tackling bag into his path. Brandon Ellis hits the bag, charges at the Sherrin, scoops it lightly and handballs it back. Again he charges, and again the swinging heavy sack hits him, and the blond back flank makes a sound like gas escaping a pressurised tank –ish! – with every contact. Ish! Ish!
“Nice, Brando!” yells Damien Hardwick, supervising the drill. “Spend time over the ball. Good, good, good. Yes!”

Ellis has spoken before of his need to be first in line for this particular drill. For the 23-year-old cog in the Richmond defence, it has become an almost superstitious part of improving his contested game – to do better at fielding all those pivoting, twisting ground balls that bobble around in the backline like leather chaos. Ellis never leaves a session at Punt Road without making sure he has done the drill 10 times because, he says, defence is like “life and death”, and the drill offers perfect preparation for that crucible – a kind of trained clarity."

Not suggesting he is any sort of panacea. He has considerable flaws in decision making, but like you ND, it disappoints me when keyboard warriors suggest someone doing the work to improve is somehow soft, but sitting talking untruths is somehow OK.

 

[Phar Ace]

Did you end up cleaning up on that bet?

Nah, Tiger1229 didn't respond. Either he found betting agency willing to offer under 10 disposal bets (and lost his coin doing it), or had a bit of a rethink about his suggestion that Markov was unlikely to get 10 disposals but them managed 20. I tried to help him and of course help myself to some of his coin

 

[TigerImposter]

Agree ND, it's a phrase that satisfies a certain form of abuse is all. Rarely backed up with anything substantial. He has repeatedly admitted he has to challenge himself with being one of the first at training to do contested work, and usually the last.

"One coach throws a footy at his feet. Another pushes a tackling bag into his path. Brandon Ellis hits the bag, charges at the Sherrin, scoops it lightly and handballs it back. Again he charges, and again the swinging heavy sack hits him, and the blond back flank makes a sound like gas escaping a pressurised tank –ish! – with every contact. Ish! Ish!
“Nice, Brando!” yells Damien Hardwick, supervising the drill. “Spend time over the ball. Good, good, good. Yes!”

Ellis has spoken before of his need to be first in line for this particular drill. For the 23-year-old cog in the Richmond defence, it has become an almost superstitious part of improving his contested game – to do better at fielding all those pivoting, twisting ground balls that bobble around in the backline like leather chaos. Ellis never leaves a session at Punt Road without making sure he has done the drill 10 times because, he says, defence is like “life and death”, and the drill offers perfect preparation for that crucible – a kind of trained clarity."

Not suggesting he is any sort of panacea. He has considerable flaws in decision making, but like you ND, it disappoints me when keyboard warriors suggest someone doing the work to improve is somehow soft, but sitting talking untruths is somehow OK.

I think you’ve emphasised your point , but I think posters mean more with the term soft. I was once in your line of thinking , but in terms of the football world scale of hardness Brando would rate soft. We’re not comparing him to everyday living like putting out the bins or washing the dishes when your wife’s sitting on her arse watching Married. Its is level of aggression and testerone released when he’s on the park and imho its soft.

 

[TigerImposter]

Nah, Tiger1229 didn't respond. Either he found betting agency willing to offer under 10 disposal bets (and lost his coin doing it), or had a bit of a rethink about his suggestion that Markov was unlikely to get 10 disposals but them managed 20. I tried to help him and of course help myself to some of his coin

You don’t need it you entrepreneurial yuppie.

 

[THE_GUN]

I think you’ve emphasised your point , but I think posters mean more with the term soft. I was once in your line of thinking , but in terms of the football world scale of hardness Brando would rate soft. We’re not comparing him to everyday living like putting out the bins or refusing to wash the dishes when your wife’s sitting on her arse watching Married. Its is level of aggression and testerone released when he’s on the park and imho its soft.

Heyy i just watched that , What a b!tch Jess is and she's gonna get her's soon

But I'd do Martha 100%

 

[Phar Ace]

I think you’ve emphasised your point , but I think posters mean more with the term soft. I was once in your line of thinking , but in terms of the football world scale of hardness Brando would rate soft. We’re not comparing him to everyday living like putting out the bins or refusing to wash the dishes when your wife’s sitting on her arse watching Married. Its is level of aggression and testerone released when he’s on the park and imho its soft.

There is a difference through between bad and soft. Brando is many things, bad at some things, but he is not soft, nor is he hard in footballing terms (and isn't it high time you washed the dishes AND watched your favourite show just before Q&A.

 

[TigerImposter]

Heyy i just watched that , What a b!tch Jess is and she's gonna get her's soon

But I'd do Martha 100%

Martha is a plastic dog and that little wog boy is going to get pussy whipped by her. Jessica and Dan are both losers and deserve to die in each other’s arms.

 

[NaturalDisaster]

Am I the only human on this planet who has not seen a single minute of that trash?

 

[Phar Ace]

You don’t need you entrepreneurial yuppie.

LOL, entrepreneurial perhaps, a yuppie I have never been and never will be now at my age. You have yuppie all over me mate

 

[Phar Ace]

Am I the only human on this planet who has not seen a single minute of that trash?

Sometimes you have to see the trash in order to put the trash out!

 

[THE_GUN]

Martha is a plastic dog and that little wog boy is going to get pussy whipped by her. Jessica and Dan are both losers and deserve to die in each other’s arms.

This little Wog boy would do her no problemo - Doggy n all

 

[TigerImposter]

There is a difference through between bad and soft. Brando is many things, bad at some things, but he is not soft, nor is he hard in footballing terms (and isn't it high time you washed the dishes AND watched your favourite show just before Q&A.

PMSL mate,but I disagree as even the Periodic Table of elements has soft and hard metals. Nope in the football world as much as I love Brando he’s soft.

 

[parmy2balmey]

it’s a great story it really is and he’s a wonderful clubman, i just hope we can talk the opposition into wearing pads so he finally feels comfortable enough to keep his head over the ball 8 years into his career

Am I the only human on this planet who has not seen a single minute of that trash?

you are not alone

 

[NaturalDisaster]

PMSL mate,but I disagree as even the Periodic Table of elements has soft and hard metals. Nope in the football world as much as I love Brando he’s soft.

it’s a great story it really is and he’s a wonderful clubman, i just hope we can talk the opposition into wearing pads so he finally feels comfortable enough to keep his head over the ball 8 years into his career



you are not alone

Is he soft or does he just lack confidence?

 

[Phar Ace]

PMSL mate,but I disagree as even the Periodic Table of elements has soft and hard metals. Nope in the football world as much as I love Brando he’s soft.

In your opinion (which is all good), but doesn't make it a fact for universal consumption.

 

[TigerImposter]

Is he soft or does he just lack confidence?

I was discussing this with a good friend of his at Coburg on Saturday and his opinion is confidence, but I reminded him that he’s shown these small steps since his junior years. So we were at locked horns on who was right. Surely he couldn’t be down in confidence for nearly a decade was my argument?
Brando’s gut running and fitness was the key to his survival, but in the modern game you need to have more than these basics. The pack has caught up with him and his skills under pressure and physical commitment are both being tested.

 

[TigerImposter]

In your opinion (which is all good), but doesn't make it a fact for universal consumption.

I agree , but see my post to ND.

 

[theflea]

Astbury free agent 2nd rounder
Ellis free agent 2nd rounder
Castagna - Late 2nd 3rd
Butler - 2nd rounder

i think your kidding yourself about these. Astbury yes, but the others no. In fact imo Ellis wont go because no one will pay that amount.

 

[Phar Ace]

I agree , but see my post to ND.

Brando might not be the strongest and bravest that you want, but he isn't soft either. Bad at it? Probably. Soft to me describes constant avoidance. Every footballer has to practice discernment else they would all be our injured on a regular basis. It's such a fine line. Give me a game, define each of his at the ball acts and we can discuss the facts of that game. He's not the best, he and not the worst - in my opinion (see I apply the same standards)

 

[Phar Ace]

i think your kidding yourself about these. Astbury yes, but the others no. In fact imo Ellis wont go because no one will pay that amount.

Agree, Brando has become a dime-a-dozen player sadly

 

[parmy2balmey]

Is he soft or does he just lack confidence?

who knows what the square root is, but he’s had a long time to fix it

 

[THE_GUN]

i think your kidding yourself about these. Astbury yes, but the others no. In fact imo Ellis wont go because no one will pay that amount.

Yeah well we shall see , Who would have thought Conca was wanted