Autopsy Rd 4 - Massive choke - Bottomed out again.

[thylacine60]

I haven't posted here for years. If you sack the coach, it will be the same shit again. How's Pagan, Ratten, Malthouse gone? Stick far with Bolton and go support the bummers if you think otherwise. Umpiring cost us the game.

you were going so well......

 

[bourbons]

The 3 talls need to learn to play together. Having Charlie miss a game and Casboult in for 2 changes the dynamic completely. So they have still only played 1 full game together as the lineup that will take us into the future. Need continuity with just those 3 together.

Playing Gibbons deep doesn't help either, even though he isn't the desired target he is too much of a non factor deep that his man can sag off him completely and double team one of the talls. He needs to lead up at the footy to create space and then turn and crumb with pace if the deep entry is made, same can be said for all our small forwards but it was noticeable yesterday with Gibbons.

Regarding the mids, the names are there they're just a young bunch. Cripps and Kennedy will be the brutes on the front line, Dow the explosive burst clearance player, Setterfield I believe is possibly the most purely talented mid we have but has a lot of work to do to reach that level. O'Brien and Fish to become those link up players generating run (will be a big part once we start taking it on through the middle), SPS is SPS (******* gun). Walsh has future skip all over him. Would like to add another couple pure all around mids with good run and disposal. All in all I worry about our mids winning this season, but when we are competing, not at all.

Re: Gibbons, I'd say time to give him a run in the midfield and see if he can perform at AFL level - he was a mid in the VFL wasn't he? Trying to mold him into a small forward isn't really working I think.

Hmmm I like your optimism but no way we can be so confident re: the midfield IMO. Kennedy yeah potential is there, not sure he'll be a world beater. Dow's kicking is terrible, hope he can sort it out but no guarantees I would have thought. Setterfield yeah like the look of him but 6 games, need to see more before you can make a call. Fisher I reckon is good, O'Brien not so much. SPS I know a lot of our supporters like, I just can't see it at all, bloke has now played 46 and plays about 1 good game out of every 5.

IMO, we're looking at Cripps and Walsh as our only A graders with Kennedy and Dow as serviceable 2nd stringers (hopefully Setterfield too) with Fisher on the outside. I don't think that'll get it done.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

15 from 70 from old Bolts in his stint at the Blues

Sandy Roberts voice....'what more can you say!'

Sad so many deluded fans in here think 'we are on the right path' and 'time will fix it'.

It won't club is the same rabble its been for the last 20 years

Definitely not deluded. Clearly on the right path

 

[Gethelred]

I don't think it was a cheap gotcha. I think it exposed your hypocrisy. Sort of like a knock out punch in boxing or dare I say Dom Sheed's goal to ice the pies in the GF!

My inconsistency, maybe; consistency's for the feeble of mind.

But then, hypocrisy alone does not make one wrong. I'm perfectly willing to be hypocritical and right, where you can claim the moral high ground all you like.

 

[Arr0w]

Serious Arrow? The same guy that has played 2nd Ruck for us the previous games and last year.

Dane we took in 2 tall forwards with injury concerns and wanting to leave Harry forward

Not sure why people struggle to comprehend the strategy

 

[chunkylover53]

The two sets of bolded are incompatible.

And I've said to you before that the gameplan itself is theoretical for a significant number of the players. Harry McKay missed nearly one and a half years to his stress fractures/turf toe, and Charlie appears - at least to me - not to be a deep thinker about the game. It could simply be that the leading patterns required are indeed complex, and the only one able to play to them - albeit for a short amount of time at the moment - is Gov.

Sorry what has Harry's injury got to do with it? He's breaking records with his marking this year and is performing well. Charlie looks confused and frustrated as he finds himself marking up the ground more than anything and running 12kms a game for 10-15 ineffective disposals. If he's not a deep thinker and you need to be a 'deep thinker' to play the current game plan then should we trade him for a much deeper thinker who can replicate the patterns required?

That patch in the second term where he kicked his goals, the talls structure functioned as intended, before it fell away again. It's flashes like this that signify that a) there is a plan and b) when the side actually begins to play to it, we are capable enough. It's for the coaches to ensure that those flashes grow ever longer, and for the players to keep learning and to keep the level of effort across 4 quarters up!!!

Our run in the 2nd had nothing to do with the forwards. Momentum comes from the midfield and we got on top because of Cripps and Walsh - and of course our VFL standard opposition.

Gov got 1 goal from a burst out of the centre square to a marking lead, 1 from the ball falling between his legs in a crowded F50 and being called a mark, and 1 after him and Gibbons were the only ones in the F50. There was nothing game-plan orientated about any of those where we could replicate for 4 quarters; just footy players trying to get it through the sticks.

 

[Cripps2Curnow]

Given Game of Thrones starts in 15 minutes can we run a poll - who eats their own more? White Walkers or Carlton fans on this board versus each other? Mmmm winter is coming! Perhaps our boys are like Aria Stark, look beaten, sneak along quietly and then end up on the iron throne. One can only hope!

 

[DangerousD]

Just got home after celebrating my wife's birthday in the city and did not see any of the second half.

What the hell happened at the end? Did Dow cost us the game?

Unfair to signal him out for the loss but he did make some horrendous mistakes throughout the game, some were poor decisions from a kid under pressure and others were skill based, which is a serious concern.

There were a lot of really dumb decisions made repetitively in the 3rd and 4th quarters that cost us.

When we constantly bomb the ball long to Gibbons one out in the forward line (5-6 times), when we are playing 4 taels was pathetic.
In the dying seconds in the play leading up to Bowes goal Mcgovern and daisy were both 15m from the goal line and were caught in no mans land.
Dow hand balling back in board in to traffic with 40 seconds on the clock when he (according to commentators) had multiple options down the line.
These really make me question whether we are listening to the coaching staff.


Jones not being awarded a mark in the last 50 seconds which he held for an eternity which he would have slowed up the game was another turning point

 

[Robertio]

Please explain.? Getting dragged thru this process and watching us lose so much has become so mind numbingly painful I cannot tell you. I will never accept it. As much as we look like a circus i see a glimmer there. I see something. I feel like we've come to the end of band aids and excuses. We can't do that anymore. Bolts needs this year. That's all there is to it.

Funny i'm talking to you today as yesterday my wife found out she's related to the real Brighton Diggins spelt Bryton at birth. PS I wasn't aiming my machine gun at you.

 

[iluvparis]

Why do people bring up the last 2 -3 years as though it has a bearing on what we are doing this year?

Did you want him sacked at the end of last year? We were 15 from 66

We all know where we are at, we cut the list severely and hence we were 15 from 66. Last year copping beltings.

This year 0-4 but been competitive and in every game up to 3/4 time or later. The wins will come. We should have won yesterday but we ballsed it up. Move onto next week. The amount of crying over a 0-4 start is bewildering and says a lot about people's actual lack of knowledge of football.

Will they? There is no evidence that this is the case - in fact all the evidence available says the EXACT OPPOSITE. I would have had no issue had Bolton been shown the door at the end of last year - he has shown virtually no improvement this year while the other celler dwellers have come on leaps and bounds.

Take out his Hawthorn gift wins and he is close to the worst coach from a W/L perspective IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME. No matter how bad your list is that is completely unacceptable to anyone who isn't looking through the most rose tinted glasses imaginable.

The lack of crying at the fact we have 3 wins from our last 35+ games is bewildering and says a lot about people's actual knowledge of modern football.

 

[Gethelred]

Sorry what has Harry's injury got to do with it? He's breaking records with his marking this year and is performing well. Charlie looks confused and frustrated as he finds himself marking up the ground more than anything and running 12kms a game for 10-15 ineffective disposals. If he's not a deep thinker and you need to be a 'deep thinker' to play the current game plan then should we trade him for a much deeper thinker who can replicate the patterns required?

In your initial post, you stated that "They've spent 4 seasons together", with the implication being that the time spent was enough to drill them on an AFL level gameplan. My corresponding argument was that no, they hadn't spent that time learning the gameplan on the field - which is the only place it matters - and regardless of individual achievements/development, when they adhere to the gameplan it is productive at the moment.

It isn't that someone who is not a deep thinker about the game cannot learn to play to a gameplan, just that it takes longer for it to get through, and there's still an element of instinct in their play that you don't quite want to dampen. Would you be the person telling Buddy not to be a ball hog, when it's been demonstrated repeatedly that on his day he can kick 10+ goals by not releasing the ball to a better position?

Our run in the 2nd had nothing to do with the forwards. Momentum comes from the midfield and we got on top because of Cripps and Walsh - and of course our VFL standard opposition.

Gov got 1 goal from a burst out of the centre square to a marking lead, 1 from the ball falling between his legs in a crowded F50 and being called a mark, and 1 after him and Gibbons were the only ones in the F50. There was nothing game-plan orientated about any of those where we could replicate for 4 quarters; just footy players trying to get it through the sticks.

... and the forward structure worked far better, because the talls didn't fly for the same ball.

I disagree with you here.

 

[Curnivore]

Dane we took in 2 tall forwards with injury concerns and wanting to leave Harry forward

Not sure why people struggle to comprehend the strategy

Because we seemed very top heavy. I get the strategy, didn't like it prior to the game and hate it now, but that's what a loss will do.

 

[Robertio]

I am not spinning at all buddy. Anybody that reads the posts will see you lack basic comprehension skills. I just don't want to get distracted in point scoring and destroy the reading experience for all others. Have a great day!

A cheeky newcomer.

 

[Faz 2000]

... and the forward structure worked far better, because the talls didn't fly for the same ball.

I disagree with you here.

The talls didn't fly for the same ball many times cos we kicked it to the short VFL midfielder.

 

[Blue Pulse]

SPS was good today

Should be part of our game plan, give SPS the ball, he just uses it so well.

 

[iluvparis]

Definitely not deluded. Clearly on the right path

 

[Gethelred]

So you have no issue being inconsistent, a hypocrite and wrong. Nice. Look when we get to 17 I will buy you a beer and have a man cuddle. Hopefully that happens under Bolton.

So we're all going for the cheap gotchas now, is that it?

I'm perfectly content being inconsistent and hypocritical; it is only ever when I'm wrong that I have an issue. Perhaps you should try such a mindset on for a tick, it might actually improve your repellent and standoffish personality.

I really do wonder about people sometimes.

 

[Arr0w]

A fair number of posts suggesting umpires played a part in our loss

We, our poor execution lost the game. We had a number of chances all day to either extend a lead or retain it

 

[Gethelred]

I am not spinning at all buddy. Anybody that reads the posts will see you lack basic comprehension skills. I just don't want to get distracted in point scoring and destroy the reading experience for all others. Have a great day!

You're fun, you know that!

You should write and illustrate children's novellas.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I'm sitting here on a monday morning, and I am just bereft of all joy. How can we not win that game? Being a mid-twenties supporter, i've endured a lot of pain throughout my life as a supporter but this is slowly becoming the nadir. The worst part though, I thought last year was the nadir, i thought the first docherty knee was the nadir. Yet, we keep going deeper down the rabbit-hole of joyless, win-less performances. If someone gave me the option to freeze myself and awaken when we have a fit Sam Docherty and the club was a further 40 games progresssed, i'd take it, because my weekends just aren't enjoyable with the current state of things. Although that option presents a cloud of doubt in itself, what if that never occurs? Knowing our luck over the past five years i'm hesitant to hope that Sam Docherty ever even plays again. Wher once there was light, I cannot see. I hope it is momentary blindness caused by corrupted passion in the face of a truly tragic end to yesterdays game, as I could not handle if we have plummeted through the floor, abandoning the tunnel entirely and descending into the caverns below.

 

[Blue Chip Pass]

A few points I want to make.
Firstly, can we all please get off the 66 game rebuild thing. I think we can only judge this team from this year now that most of the pieces have been assembled. Can you imagine how much better this side would be with a fit Docherty, Willo & Kruezer. Easily in our best 18.
At the start of the season we would have only penciled the Suns game as a certain win. The fact that we seriously challenged for a win in all 4 games, only to fall a bit short, is clear indication we are an improved side. Last year we would of got smashed.
It's a very even comp, with better composure, skill execution and the best side in, we will be on the winning ledger.
We win next week.

 

[LemmingMaster]

A fair number of posts suggesting umpires played a part in our loss

We, our poor execution lost the game. We had a number of chances all day to either extend a lead or retain it

A few basic errors late cost us the game.

1. Dow handball into the middle.
2. McLoving running off the line for no real reason, looked like he was ball watching.
3. Basic skill errors.

I just looked back at my Dow draft year notes and I was worried about his kicking skills each time I watched him. Looks like those concerns are still showing at AFL level. I kind of wish we picked up my love in Cerra.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Are you a supporter of the club?

 

[thylacine60]

I don't think it was a cheap gotcha. I think it exposed your hypocrisy. Sort of like a knock out punch in boxing or dare I say Dom Sheed's goal to ice the pies in the GF!

ah, no

 

[DangerousD]

Dane we took in 2 tall forwards with injury concerns and wanting to leave Harry forward

Not sure why people struggle to comprehend the strategy

I think its pretty simple, if the two guys are under such a cloud that you need to play 3 key talls, plus Mcgovern and plus a ruck, then one of them shouldn't play. You simply can't play that tall in the AFL on the back of a, what if a tall gets injured mid game. Mcgovern hurt his knee in the last, not his hip/hammy from last week so i don't think thats relevant to yesterdays game.

Can you name any club that plays as tall as us (yesterdays game)? I was not surprised given how tall we went in, that we were ran over in the last.