Preview Rnd 6 - Carlton v Hawthorn Sunday April 28th 3.20PM @ UTAS - Team Post #1331

[FRUMPY]

Club would be stupid to bring Willo in. Give him 3 or 4 in the VFL (at least 1 more at a minimum). Not just for fitness/form but to get him back playing competitive footy and the body to handle the rigors of competitive footy. No need to rush him after a win either.

 

[HARKER]

Club would be stupid to bring Willo in. Give him 3 or 4 in the VFL (at least 1 more at a minimum). Not just for fitness/form but to get him back playing competitive footy and the body to handle the rigors of competitive footy. No need to rush him after a win either.

You're a little wrong in saying they'd be stupid. No more stupid than having brought Marchbank back in.

I doubt there would be many that watched him on Saturday that didn't think he was ready, should the need be there.
That's not to say he will come back to the main squad but I feel it's incorrect to suggest he couldn't, should the opening be there.

 

[BlueAbroad]

Trying not to get too ahead of myself but I have zero fear of the Hawks this week.

I'm hoping there is a follow-on effect from the round 5 win and if we can capitalise on the momentum we should come away with a win.

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[Mr_Plow]

You're a little wrong in saying they'd be stupid. No more stupid than having brought Marchbank back in.

I doubt there would be many that watched him on Saturday that didn't think he was ready, should the need be there.
That's not to say he will come back to the main squad but I feel it's incorrect to suggest he couldn't, should the opening be there.

I think many people are still of the old school of thought formerly at the club, which was to bring players back through the VFL system to actually gain fitness as well as touch.

This regime doesn't do that. Williamson may just play another game of VFL to gain touch and the confidence to run out a full game devoid of cramp. But that'll be it. Absolutely no need for a 3-4 week block in the VFL on top of an 8 week intense training block.

A thing of the past.

 

[The Bighouse]

I like it. Kennedy needs a solid run of games in the reserves with some proper form before he gets a look in.

A solid block of games only gets 2 more in before our next NB bye.

 

[Mr_Plow]

I like it. Kennedy needs a solid run of games in the reserves with some proper form before he gets a look in.

My reasoning isn't that, so much as I'm not sure whether there is a place for him in the team with the emergence of Samo, Fisher, Walsh and to a lesser extent Dow.

 

[Duigan Alley34]

No chance I'm playing Charlie in the 2's this week. If he doesn't make the 22 he is resting the knee and then re-assess the following week.

 

[Benaly28]

Listen to Russell with the injury update and you’ll see why this guy is highly regarded.He May also bring some intel this week to help nail the Hawks.

 

[kjr8]

In: Cuners Out: Polson

 

[Opine]

Listen to Russell with the injury update and you’ll see why this guy is highly regarded.He May also bring some intel this week to help nail the Hawks.

What is noticeable is his precision; ie player x had 93 mins, not 90 odd mins but 90 + 3, and player y had 94, not 90 odd mins but 90 + 4.

 

[Blue and Blue]

What is noticeable is his specificity; ie player x had 93 mins, not 90 odd mins but 90 + 3, and player y had 94, not 90 odd mins but 90 + 4.

What are you trying to say ? Can you be more specific ?......

 

[Opine]

What are you trying to say ? Can you be more specific ?......

That he narrows his player management to mins and recalls it with precision is not something we've been used to when it comes to injury updates. In the past player x was said to be about a week away which ended being 2 months. Although his precision in terms of mins spent on ground is obviously different from predicting length of absence through injury, his precision is kind of reassuring for a dumb asss supporter like me. Makes me feel that he is well on top of the micro stuff. I like it.

 

[Opine]

What are you trying to say ? Can you be more specific ?......

ah shite I just got it after seeing the wink lol

 

[Soapy V]

I think many people are still of the old school of thought formerly at the club, which was to bring players back through the VFL system to actually gain fitness as well as touch.

This regime doesn't do that. Williamson may just play another game of VFL to gain touch and the confidence to run out a full game devoid of cramp. But that'll be it. Absolutely no need for a 3-4 week block in the VFL on top of an 8 week intense training block.

A thing of the past.

Bit different with Williamson as opposed to others. Missed more than a year of football with a severe injury. None of the others have come from that far back. Now physically fit but getting games, match fitness, getting confidence, getting used to the knocks and recovery and the mental side is a good thing. He's also only played 15 AFL games. Not exactly a seasoned player.

Given how our defence is travelling easing him back is a positive for such a player IMO

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Either unchanged or...

OUT - Cameron Polson (Omitted)
IN - David Cuningham

FB - Liam Jones - Lachie Plowman - Kade Simpson
HB - Caleb Marchbank - Nic Newman - Jacob Weitering
C - Jack Silvagni - Sam Petrevski-Seton - Paddy Dow
HF - Sam Walsh - Harry McKay - Marc Murphy
FF - Levi Casboult - Mitch McGovern - Michael Gibbons
R - Matthew Kreuzer - Patrick Cripps - Zac Fisher
I - Dale Thomas - Lochie O'Brien - Ed Curnow - David Cuningham

E - Andrew Phillips - Matthew Kennedy - Cameron Polson - Patrick Kerr/Charlie Curnow

Can't really omit anybody else other than Polson after a performance like that.

Cuningham if fit and given the tick, is a must. He wouldn't necessarily require much match stimulation since it is just a bruised kidney. It's not like it's a fractured leg or ruptured AC joint.

 

[Mondyboy]

Bit different with Williamson as opposed to others. Missed more than a year of football with a severe injury. None of the others have come from that far back. Now physically fit but getting games, match fitness, getting confidence, getting used to the knocks and recovery and the mental side is a good thing. He's also only played 15 AFL games. Not exactly a seasoned player.

Given how our defence is travelling easing him back is a positive for such a player IMO

If we were comparing him to Setterfield who had a similar long lay-off then the equivalent of two JLT games is enough to get you back in the side. Is a VFL game the equivalent of 1.25 JLT games?


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[Mr_Walshy]

Either unchanged or...

OUT - Cameron Polson (Omitted)
IN - David Cuningham

FB - Liam Jones - Lachie Plowman - Kade Simpson
HB - Caleb Marchbank - Nic Newman - Jacob Weitering
C - Jack Silvagni - Sam Petrevski-Seton - Paddy Dow
HF - Sam Walsh - Harry McKay - Marc Murphy
FF - Levi Casboult - Mitch McGovern - Michael Gibbons
R - Matthew Kreuzer - Patrick Cripps - Marc Murphy
I - Dale Thomas - Lochie O'Brien - Ed Curnow - David Cuningham

E - Andrew Phillips - Matthew Kennedy - Cameron Polson - Patrick Kerr/Charlie Curnow

Can't really omit anybody else other than Polson after a performance like that.

Cuningham if fit and given the tick, is a must. He wouldn't necessarily require much match stimulation since it is a bruise kidney. It's not like it's a fractured leg or ruptured AC joint.

You said only one omission but you forgot casboult . Doubled up on charlie curnow by mistake. Other than that nice, is that howd you line up the team. Weitering HBF? Walsh HF. Perhaps walsh and silvagni change.

 

[Mondyboy]

Either unchanged or...

OUT - Cameron Polson (Omitted)
IN - David Cuningham

FB - Liam Jones - Lachie Plowman - Kade Simpson
HB - Caleb Marchbank - Nic Newman - Jacob Weitering
C - Jack Silvagni - Sam Petrevski-Seton - Paddy Dow
HF - Sam Walsh - Harry McKay - Marc Murphy
FF - Levi Casboult - Mitch McGovern - Michael Gibbons
R - Matthew Kreuzer - Patrick Cripps - Marc Murphy
I - Dale Thomas - Lochie O'Brien - Ed Curnow - David Cuningham

E - Andrew Phillips - Matthew Kennedy - Cameron Polson - Patrick Kerr/Charlie Curnow

Can't really omit anybody else other than Polson after a performance like that.

Cuningham if fit and given the tick, is a must. He wouldn't necessarily require much match stimulation since it is a bruise kidney. It's not like it's a fractured leg or ruptured AC joint.

Cuners will be fit. The question will be touch.

Personally I’d play him for Polson.


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[TeeJay Blue]

As for Williamson:

Whether he is or isn't best 22, I wouldn't be rolling out the red carpet for him at the moment. Especially having missed so much football. Plus I'm still not confident with his back right now.

The defence at the moment looks fine as it is and does not need any changes, but I'm sure that if any of them have a drop in form or get injured, then Willo is sure to be next in line.

 

[TeeJay Blue]

You said only one omission but you forgot casboult . Doubled up on charlie curnow by mistake. Other than that nice, is that howd you line up the team. Weitering HBF? Walsh HF. Perhaps walsh and silvagni change.

1. Bet you to the mistake.
2. This is just a starting line-up. Not many complain when the actual teams are named and you see players named in similar positions.
3. Silvagni should spend more time around the middle. He was great on the weekend. Not that he is tall or anything but he is close to it, and we can't be too top heavy up forward.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Bit different with Williamson as opposed to others. Missed more than a year of football with a severe injury. None of the others have come from that far back. Now physically fit but getting games, match fitness, getting confidence, getting used to the knocks and recovery and the mental side is a good thing. He's also only played 15 AFL games. Not exactly a seasoned player.

Given how our defence is travelling easing him back is a positive for such a player IMO

Agree, more than happy to ease him back in against a rubbish North Melbourne next week. No later, though.

 

[Mr_Walshy]

1. Bet you to the mistake.
2. This is just a starting line-up. Not many complain when the actual teams are named and you see players named in similar positions.
3. Silvagni should spend more time around the middle. He was great on the weekend. Not that he is tall or anything but he is close to it, and we can't be too top heavy up forward.

Hahah yes good point

 

[Macca43]

I think many people are still of the old school of thought formerly at the club, which was to bring players back through the VFL system to actually gain fitness as well as touch.

This regime doesn't do that. Williamson may just play another game of VFL to gain touch and the confidence to run out a full game devoid of cramp. But that'll be it. Absolutely no need for a 3-4 week block in the VFL on top of an 8 week intense training block.

A thing of the past.

They have been aiming for Williamson to play AFL this week from a long way out and I think you are dead right about the change in approach from the fitness staff.

That said the good win might just keep him out for another week and save O'Brien. The only change I see this week is Cuningham for Polson. Casboult did enough to allow Charlie another week to recover.

 

[AlecDuncan]

I think we're past rushing players back from injury, or hail-Mary hopes of form reversal.

There's a reason we have a second tier competition. Well, most weeks anyway.

 

[Bordertoon]

Let the selection wars of attrition commence!

Upon reflection, my two cents worth:

OUTS

Walsh - it’s too unsettling for a player to look so at home after 5 games, and it could damage the morale of our other youngsters

Crippa - we’re overly reliant on him, and others need to learn to carry their fair share of the load

SPS - Caro could do without the additional humiliation

INS

Charlie, Kerr, TDK - we’ll annihilate them with talls