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Review Good/Bad: Inaccurate Crows vs St Kilda

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Who played well against St Kilda?

  • Sam Berry

  • Luke Brown

  • Jordan Dawson

  • Tom Doedee

  • Darcy Fogarty

  • Will Hamill

  • Jackson Hately

  • Mitch Hinge

  • Chayce Jones

  • Ben Keays

  • Rory Laird

  • Shane McAdam

  • Ned McHenry

  • Lachlan Murphy

  • Nick Murray

  • Josh Rachele

  • James Rowe

  • Lachlan Sholl (sub)

  • Brodie Smith

  • Jake Soligo

  • Kieran Strachan

  • Riley Thilthorpe

  • Taylor Walker


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Nix will be getting as much continuity into what he sees as our best side and trying to make finals with that group. Rebuild is on hold until Nix is gone.

Sounds like a rebuild to me. Stick with the players you want to build around and let them gel.

That said, multiple things have indicated that's not Adelaide this year. Currently we are almost on an island when it comes to age/experience (after all, rebuilds are about playing kids) Top-four surprise packets: Which teams are youngest this season? indicating we've really unsettled our list comparing us to other rebuilders and are trying kids at a staggering click (not that we have much choice in the matter). Not only that, we're tied for fourth with the most players out of anyone this campaign (35) AFL Tables - 2022 Stats - Player Lists. Currently, only West Coast (43), Carlton and Dogs (36) are ahead. All of that is with a minimal injury list to boot.

I doubt we have much of clue what our best side is at this point.

Edit: meant to say fourth most.
 
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Doesn't have any listed despite taking out the Coleman. Though I think they did it differently in the 80s.

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Simon Beasley was a pure full forward - and a bloody good one too.

But Tex is much more of a CHF type too

AA in the 1980’s when it was awarded, was more a composite from state of origin games
 

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They key thing for me is that he doesn't stop at the tap. He hunts the ball after the tap as well and sometimes gets the clearance. He can get a ground ball and kicks well to position. None of the above is ROB.

Agree. He’s a bit Ben Hudson, hunts the body and the ball. Not afraid to lay his weight on the opposition
 
Dawson might have lined up on the wing a number of times, but he certainly pushed back into defence a lot more this week. Was often the loose man behind the Saints forwards, hell even the commentators picked up on this

Glad he was able to push forward a tad and make an impact, as well. Hopefully we see more of this
 
Good: First 3 quarters. Played well enough to have the game won. Berry and Hamill taking good strides forward.

Bad: The playing of that tacky intro highlights package from 25 years ago with the My Hero Foo Fighters song over the top of the didgeridoo as the players walked out.

Ugly: The goal kicking!
 
Agree. He’s a bit Ben Hudson, hunts the body and the ball. Not afraid to lay his weight on the opposition
How much does he weigh ? His upper body looks like it hasn’t seen a weight room

Apparently he’s a gun golfer though
 
IMHO the game was lost in the third quarter when the commentators stated that St Kilda couldn't move it quickly because [PLAYERCARD]Jordan Dawson[/PLAYERCARD] was set up behind the ball. St Kilda then proceeded to move it from half back to scoring range with a series of uncontested possessions without even getting near Dawson's supposed intimidating presence. (ultimately wasting the opportunity)

Take nothing away from the appalling accuracy of Adelaide's forwards. But I genuinely think St Kilda would have won comfortably if they'd been less accurate. A lot of their non-King entries were tentative and led to turnovers from poor passing options. If they'd "Blazed away" they would have got 2-3 extra goals even at low accuracy.

Also, Walker entering a strong "Way below his best but way better than any other forward" form patch.
 
Dawson might have lined up on the wing a number of times, but he certainly pushed back into defence a lot more this week. Was often the loose man behind the Saints forwards, hell even the commentators picked up on this

Glad he was able to push forward a tad and make an impact, as well. Hopefully we see more of this
Started on wing at centre bounces at times and sometimes at half forward then has a complete licence to place himself where he thinks will benefit team , quite often behind the ball as the +1 , didn’t take one of their forwards

He tried to help Murray out a few times flying in front of king

But his most damaging for mine is when he gets mid/ forward as he kicks goals ( remember that goal against port where he ran past wines and nailed it from 50m) and can help set them up with his I50 kick

How to define his position be played ? I’d say loose in defence mostly but often pushing thru wing and half forward
 
Started on wing at centre bounces at times and sometimes at half forward then has a complete licence to place himself where he thinks will benefit team , quite often behind the ball as the +1 , didn’t take one of their forwards

He tried to help Murray out a few times flying in front of king

But his most damaging for mine is when he gets mid/ forward as he kicks goals ( remember that goal against port where he ran past wines and nailed it from 50m) and can help set them up with his I50 kick

How to define his position be played ? I’d say loose in defence mostly but often pushing thru wing and half forward
In the second half he spent a lot more time in defence and we missed his attacking drive which helped set up our half time performance. This seemed more coach driven than license to do as he pleases and if it’s the latter Nicks needs to take control of that when it’s not working.
 
In the second half he spent a lot more time in defence and we missed his attacking drive which helped set up our half time performance. This seemed more coach driven than license to do as he pleases and if it’s the latter Nicks needs to take control of that when it’s not working.
Agree … nicks needs to use him up ground more often

He kicked a 2nd quarter and 4th quarter goal with marks I50 ?
 

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Started on wing at centre bounces at times and sometimes at half forward then has a complete licence to place himself where he thinks will benefit team , quite often behind the ball as the +1 , didn’t take one of their forwards

He tried to help Murray out a few times flying in front of king

But his most damaging for mine is when he gets mid/ forward as he kicks goals ( remember that goal against port where he ran past wines and nailed it from 50m) and can help set them up with his I50 kick

How to define his position be played ? I’d say loose in defence mostly but often pushing thru wing and half forward
Pretty much the bolded. He’s pretty much a utility, can plug him into any third of the ground and can make a high level impact

Once we become a higher quality side that’s able to lock the ball in the F50 well and is able to stifle quick link-up chains from the opposition, we should see Dawson play up the ground more. That Port game is the perfect example of how he can impact from that position
 
Pretty much the bolded. He’s pretty much a utility, can plug him into any third of the ground and can make a high level impact

Once we become a higher quality side that’s able to lock the ball in the F50 well and is able to stifle quick link-up chains from the opposition, we should see Dawson play up the ground more. That Port game is the perfect example of how he can impact from that position
I fear the safe and easy option is to play him loose in defence to sure us up

But ideally I’d only do that when a team has a run on to slow momentum or at end of quarter to protect a lead
 
Started on wing at centre bounces at times and sometimes at half forward then has a complete licence to place himself where he thinks will benefit team , quite often behind the ball as the +1 , didn’t take one of their forwards
Dawson is not just highly-skilled; he has an excellent footy brain.
I remember in his Presser that Nicks said (paraphrasing) Dawson started on a wing but when he sent a runner out to move him, Dawson had all ready moved himself.
Worked out the situation himself, and moved himself.
Smart.

Looking ahead, way ahead, he might develop into a good Coach. Meanwhile, he's our greatest asset, from a helluva deal.
Imo it compares to the Crows getting McLeod after Freo (I think) showed only lukewarm interest, well, except that Sydney wanted badly to keep Dawson.
 

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Also, Walker entering a strong "Way below his best but way better than any other forward" form patch.

We are clearly a better team with him in there but ideally Tex wouldn't be playing. The results would be worse but I think he has covered over some cracks and the forward line will have to completely rebuild once he's gone so a part of me wants that process to start now.
 
A lot has been said about the poor goalkicking, dominating this thread.
However, I don't remember anybody commenting on the Saints' final quarter.

They were 6.4 at 3/4 time, 40 points, then more than doubled that kicking 8.2, another 50 points in the last :eek: .
If the Crows were 10.9 at 3/4 time (acceptable goalkicking score), they'd still have lost the game by a point.

Doesn't that suggest that:
--- the Crows faded badly defensively in the last, even though they kicked 3.2, and
--- the game was lost in the last quarter?

Or did they lose it trying to win it by attacking more and leaving themselves open to an 8.2 onslaught (which I wouldn't mind)?
Anybody?
 
A lot has been said about the poor goalkicking, dominating this thread.
However, I don't remember anybody commenting on the Saints' final quarter.

They were 6.4 at 3/4 time, 40 points, then more than doubled that kicking 8.2, another 50 points in the last :eek: .
If the Crows were 10.9 at 3/4 time (acceptable goalkicking score), they'd still have lost the game by a point.

Doesn't that suggest that:
--- the Crows faded badly defensively in the last, even though they kicked 3.2, and
--- the game was lost in the last quarter?

Or did they lose it trying to win it by attacking more and leaving themselves open to an 8.2 onslaught (which I wouldn't mind)?
Anybody?
2 of those goals they kicked were in the last 2 minutes after we missed another easy sets shot which would have gotten us within a goal so no doubt the group dropped their head after all the misses and thought that was the game after that behind.
 
Looking ahead, way ahead, he might develop into a good Coach. Meanwhile, he's our greatest asset, from a helluva deal.
Imo it compares to the Crows getting McLeod after Freo (I think) showed only lukewarm interest, well, except that Sydney wanted badly to keep Dawson.

Hold on, let’s not gild the lily.

It wasn’t some great deal or masterpiece of negotiation. We just held all the leverage and used some of it.

We took him at gunpoint because the rules allowed us to do so. Somehow we wanted it to not be seen as too much banditry, so we gave them a late first

what I think was a great bit of work by us was identifying him early in the year as someone who might break out, and we put the work into him all
Year long
 
I thought Laird was poor last night.
Soligo was going great and it seemed an easy decision but our coaches are loath to make a change
Nick's loves Soligo. He may give him so mid time but he should switch with Keays instead of Laird. I won't be long before Taylor comes into the team as well imo.
 

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