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Player Watch #37 Corey Warner

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Nuggetz said:
Great news, hope it's a positive sign for chad extending too.
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It’s positive news either way. Even if Chad goes, Corey staying just shows the type of person he is. The easy option would be to follow big brother to wce on a mates rates sweet deal, but instead decided to stay and carve his own path.

A lot of respect for the bloke
 
Superstar swan said:
It’s positive news either way. Even if Chad goes, Corey staying just shows the type of person he is. The easy option would be to follow big brother to wce on a mates rates sweet deal, but instead decided to stay and carve his own path.

A lot of respect for the bloke
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Yeah I have a real soft spot for Warner Jr. Well not necessarily a soft spot, more just a touch of sympathy for him. I'm sure every athlete just wants to be recognised in his own right, and Warner Jr's probably found that more difficult to achieve than most.
 
Great news. Two moments from last week's match sim stood out for me.

The early mark, pause and then outstanding delivery inside 50 to the leading Heeney.
The strong mark in the final qr, play on and sensational finish from near 50.

Both moments were special - hope we get the chance to see more of them.
 

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ashep said:
Corey is the same age Bell was when he debuted, and a couple of years younger than when we delisted B. Jack.

Much, much too early to put him in that category.

Hope he gets a good crack at it this year.
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Both those two had hit their ceilings. Corey hasn't. We can see where the improvement can come for him and it's do-able. Plus he has both the hunger and the self-confidence.
 
So I saw the headline "C____ Warner re-signs with Sydney" and assumed it was Chad and my heart skipped a beat. I then read it properly and saw it was Corey. 🤦‍♀️

Really pleased for him.
 

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zyzzbruh said:
Your also judging McInerney on 2 post injury AFL games despite demonstrating previously exactly why he is an AFL starting wing.

Jmac has an outstanding footy brain, hence why he can get away being built like a string bean. High IQ player who knows when to go, how to get the overlap, and what he does adheres to our ball movement game plan whilst gelling with his teammates. It's his intensity and execution that falls off a bit when out of form. Might be frustrating when then happens but you're still better off having a player out there who has the ability to pull off those low % and linkup plays rather than a player who consistently burns your build up. Doesn't mean he's undroppable, but not for Corey.

When you look at Corey out there you can tell that not much is going on upstairs ball in hand other then just go to whoever you see first up the ground. The odd occasion that is going to be the right option, hence he might pull off what seems a good 1/4 plays, but it's so obvious that it's a wheeling around quickly habit rather than an intelligent play. Wheeling around quickly putting it onto Amartey's head 2 v 1 is not intelligent - take a moment, identify a player running into space, if not look for an option to switch the play and open up the forward line - that's literally our game plan streaming forward that 99% of our team adheres to. That's not something that only comes with AFL exposure, it's just general footy nouse. He's been in our system for a few years now, his decision making should be alot more thought out than what it is. Simply put, he's not on the same page as his teammates once he takes possession, that can absolutely burn the team. It's easy for fans to just see him crack in and get possessions thinking that's good enough without looking at the final product. Not doubting his application and ability to find the ball, but most youngsters we have blooded over the last decade have assimilated well from a decision making aspect, in fact it has been the cornerstone.

I look at someone like Hanily - Every time he got his finger on the ball he was purposeful with his movement, calm with ball in hand but also made quick intelligent decisions with silky execution in tight. That kick to Tmac 2 v 1 in the last whilst streaming into 50 was on an absolute dime, pure class. That's a 0 gamer who looked competent as ever. Sometimes you've either got it or you don't, even from game 1.

Not comparing him to his brother at all, in fact i think people are giving him a pass because of the romanticism around being Chad's brother. I guarantee if his name was Chad Smith we would not be giving him the same air. The reality is there has been absolutely no evidence so far that his end product is anything different to what James Bell was. Hype, hope, give him a run of games, but by the end resigned to the fact the end product was not there. All well and good giving him time and opportunity, but after the hype of his preseason he looks the same on the decision making front. I would be his number 1 supporter if he's picked round 0, but I don't see why he would deserve an opportunity ahead of other fringe youngsters who have literally just demonstrated better all round game infront of our eyes.
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It's hard to build a convincing argument purely around what you think might be happening inside a player's head. That's speculation, conjecture, a wild guess and perhaps a good helping of imagination. There's a reason why even coaches ask the question, "what were you thinking?"

I'm impressed that you claim to go even further than mere mind-reading. You claim to be able to judge a players IQ purely from observation, a remote non-interactive test by an untrained observer. Seriously? Infallible? "He looked smart" has never been a reliable basis for measurement. I'd love to be your fraudster $$ "Gee officer, he seemed trustworthy"

Sticking purely to facts over speculation. Since his extended injury last year, for whatever reason, McInerney is not playing well enough to deserve a place in the senior team.

Even allowing your fantasy that McInerneyy has, as you surmise, the IQ of a love child of Marie Curie with Albert Einstein. Even if I allow your insistence that he plays with incredible footy nous. Heck, I'll even allow that his parents had somehow concocted an elixir from the distilled sweat of both Skilton and Kels which young McInenery imbibed directly from his mother's breast, priming his endocrine system to release a constant drip feed of footy hormones into his rapidly enlarging brain.

Is McInerney a victim of acquired hydrocephalus? Or....could he really be the first true member of a whole new species?

Behold : Homo athletice cum magno cerebro

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Regardless of the magical qualities you ascribe to McInerney, if he can't execute the basics of senior football, such as hitting targets by foot or hand, kicking gettable goals, running hard for much of the game, pressuring or tackling opposition players, he's not currently performing at a senior level. This has been the case since the latter part of last year. Even the great Dr Brainiac couldn't manipulate a game with mind-power alone.

Corey has played only a small handful of AFL games. It's obvious he's still learning the senior game plan and getting a better feel for the way his teammates prefer to play.

You mentioned Hannily, whose game you morphed into a monument of instant perfection. Sure he did some very good things but he too needs game time and growth.

If McInerney can be given the lattitude to rebuild his game even as the club carried him through finals, Corey certainly deserves a chance to cement his own game. Besides, I'd like to see the club reward Corey's commitment with a similar commitment. It might even help Chad decide to stay with us for another couple of years.


* I did not intend to make light of hydrocephalus, either congenital or acquired. It is a serious and potentially life threatening disease that can thankfully be cured if treated early. It's not entirely uncommon, even in healthy communities. I hope I've raised some awareness.
 
RubbaDuck said:
It's hard to build a convincing argument purely around what you think might be happening inside a player's head. That's speculation, conjecture, a wild guess and perhaps a good helping of imagination. There's a reason why even coaches ask the question, "what were you thinking?"

I'm impressed that you claim to go even further than mere mind-reading. You claim to be able to judge a players IQ purely from observation, a remote non-interactive test by an untrained observer. Seriously? Infallible? "He looked smart" has never been a reliable basis for measurement. I'd love to be your fraudster $$ "Gee officer, he seemed trustworthy"

Sticking purely to facts over speculation. Since his extended injury last year, for whatever reason, McInerney is not playing well enough to deserve a place in the senior team.

Even allowing your fantasy that McInerneyy has, as you surmise, the IQ of a love child of Marie Curie with Albert Einstein. Even if I allow your insistence that he plays with incredible footy nous. Heck, I'll even allow that his parents had somehow concocted an elixir from the distilled sweat of both Skilton and Kels which young McInenery imbibed directly from his mother's breast, priming his endocrine system to release a constant drip feed of footy hormones into his rapidly enlarging brain.

Is McInerney a victim of acquired hydrocephalus? Or....could he really be the first true member of a whole new species?

Behold : Homo athletice cum magno cerebro

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Regardless of the magical qualities you ascribe to McInerney, if he can't execute the basics of senior football, such as hitting targets by foot or hand, kicking gettable goals, running hard for much of the game, pressuring or tackling opposition players, he's not currently performing at a senior level. This has been the case since the latter part of last year. Even the great Dr Brainiac couldn't manipulate a game with mind-power alone.

Corey has played only a small handful of AFL games. It's obvious he's still learning the senior game plan and getting a better feel for the way his teammates prefer to play.

You mentioned Hannily, whose game you morphed into a monument of instant perfection. Sure he did some very good things but he too needs game time and growth.

If McInerney can be given the lattitude to rebuild his game even as the club carried him through finals, Corey certainly deserves a chance to cement his own game. Besides, I'd like to see the club reward Corey's commitment with a similar commitment. It might even help Chad decide to stay with us for another couple of years.


* I did not intend to make light of hydrocephalus, either congenital or acquired. It is a serious and potentially life threatening disease that can thankfully be cured if treated early. It's not entirely uncommon, even in healthy communities. I hope I've raised some awareness.
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Lol it's not that deep, just a simple eye test. Footy IQ is just a flippant way of describing how a player looks to understand the game by the way they play it. It really isn't that hard to observe deficiencies in a players game, after all we are the ones watching the game unfold Infront of us. Otherwise why question any player if we don't have their exact brain power and athletic profile on hand? Corey could have the IQ of Aristotle, that doesn't mean he's going to be competent in picking the right option all the time. The right option in this case is what looks easy on the eye in accordance with what constitutes a brand of footy that we're used to seeing in a successful team. I just don't think Corey is currently fitting that mould, whilst Hanily looks to have a level of balance and skill that exudes the typical makeup of a solid AFL player. That's just my opinion on how it looks to the eye after decades of watching footy. And hanily looks to have that with limited time in the system compared to Corey who is still trying to find it.

You keep saying post injury McInerney, when that post injury is all but 2 games of footy despite knowing very well what he is capable of. A game of footy is bloody hard to win, so you play your best team. After a run of games you can then conclude if an established player is not up to standard and deserves to be dropped. And believe it or not some players are just better than others, and are still better than said others when considered not in form. So what do you do in that case? Pick a player who's current ceiling is barely as good as the lower output of an established player? No coach is going to risk weakening their team unless they are confident the latter will do a better job. If it came down to pure application, I could manage to get picked. McInerney on 1 leg would sill run rings around me.

Dropping a player like McInerney can be done tactically to try to ignite him into form, but a proven player is always going to be afforded time before doing so. An in form McInerney has a good balance of energy, hardness for his role and size, speed, decision making and execution, he's demonstrated all of that. A player like Corey, and any other fringe youngster is going to get a few handfuls of odd games to prove their worth, at some point in that they will need to play a game that cements the faith of the footy club. Players who are good enough to play at the highest level will do that at some point. Corey hasn't done that yet. Application during training is an ingredient that can make that happen, but ultimately its not what guarantees their spot. He can be the hardest nut in the AFL for all I care, if his decision making and execution doesn't live up to the standard or gel with a successful brand of footy then it is what it is. Hopefully I am proven wrong, but for the time being I'll stand by my opinion that constantly wheeling around to make a quick play that isn't even on - does not fit in with a good brand of footy. Footy nouse and IQ for me is that, call it whatever you want. If he keeps doing it, it won't change my view of him. And if he keeps doing it, I doubt he will get that consistent run of games that everyone wants to see so badly.
 
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RubbaDuck said:
It's hard to build a convincing argument purely around what you think might be happening inside a player's head. That's speculation, conjecture, a wild guess and perhaps a good helping of imagination. There's a reason why even coaches ask the question, "what were you thinking?"

I'm impressed that you claim to go even further than mere mind-reading. You claim to be able to judge a players IQ purely from observation, a remote non-interactive test by an untrained observer. Seriously? Infallible? "He looked smart" has never been a reliable basis for measurement. I'd love to be your fraudster $$ "Gee officer, he seemed trustworthy"

Sticking purely to facts over speculation. Since his extended injury last year, for whatever reason, McInerney is not playing well enough to deserve a place in the senior team.

Even allowing your fantasy that McInerneyy has, as you surmise, the IQ of a love child of Marie Curie with Albert Einstein. Even if I allow your insistence that he plays with incredible footy nous. Heck, I'll even allow that his parents had somehow concocted an elixir from the distilled sweat of both Skilton and Kels which young McInenery imbibed directly from his mother's breast, priming his endocrine system to release a constant drip feed of footy hormones into his rapidly enlarging brain.

Is McInerney a victim of acquired hydrocephalus? Or....could he really be the first true member of a whole new species?

Behold : Homo athletice cum magno cerebro

View attachment 2239763

Regardless of the magical qualities you ascribe to McInerney, if he can't execute the basics of senior football, such as hitting targets by foot or hand, kicking gettable goals, running hard for much of the game, pressuring or tackling opposition players, he's not currently performing at a senior level. This has been the case since the latter part of last year. Even the great Dr Brainiac couldn't manipulate a game with mind-power alone.

Corey has played only a small handful of AFL games. It's obvious he's still learning the senior game plan and getting a better feel for the way his teammates prefer to play.

You mentioned Hannily, whose game you morphed into a monument of instant perfection. Sure he did some very good things but he too needs game time and growth.

If McInerney can be given the lattitude to rebuild his game even as the club carried him through finals, Corey certainly deserves a chance to cement his own game. Besides, I'd like to see the club reward Corey's commitment with a similar commitment. It might even help Chad decide to stay with us for another couple of years.


* I did not intend to make light of hydrocephalus, either congenital or acquired. It is a serious and potentially life threatening disease that can thankfully be cured if treated early. It's not entirely uncommon, even in healthy communities. I hope I've raised some awareness.
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Unbelievable, all on the Corey thread
 
zyzzbruh said:
Lol it's not that deep, just a simple eye test. Footy IQ is just a flippant way of describing how a player looks to understand the game by the way they play it. It really isn't that hard to observe deficiencies in a players game, after all we are the ones watching the game unfold Infront of us. Otherwise why question any player if we don't have their exact brain power and athletic profile on hand? Corey could have the IQ of Aristotle, that doesn't mean he's going to be competent in picking the right option all the time. The right option in this case is what looks easy on the eye in accordance with what constitutes a brand of footy that we're used to seeing in a successful team. I just don't think Corey is currently fitting that mould, whilst Hanily looks to have a level of balance and skill that exudes the typical makeup of a solid AFL player. That's just my opinion on how it looks to the eye after decades of watching footy. And hanily looks to have that with limited time in the system compared to Corey who is still trying to find it.

You keep saying post injury McInerney, when that post injury is all but 2 games of footy despite knowing very well what he is capable of. A game of footy is bloody hard to win, so you play your best team. After a run of games you can then conclude if an established player is not up to standard and deserves to be dropped. And believe it or not some players are just better than others, and are still better than said others when considered not in form. So what do you do in that case? Pick a player who's current ceiling is barely as good as the lower output of an established player? No coach is going to risk weakening their team unless they are confident the latter will do a better job. If it came down to pure application, I could manage to get picked. McInerney on 1 leg would sill run rings around me.

Dropping a player like McInerney can be done tactically to try to ignite him into form, but a proven player is always going to be afforded time before doing so. An in form McInerney has a good balance of energy, hardness for his role and size, speed, decision making and execution, he's demonstrated all of that. A player like Corey, and any other fringe youngster is going to get a few handfuls of odd games to prove their worth, at some point in that they will need to play a game that cements the faith of the footy club. Players who are good enough to play at the highest level will do that at some point. Corey hasn't done that yet. Application during training is an ingredient that can make that happen, but ultimately its not what guarantees their spot. He can be the hardest nut in the AFL for all I care, if his decision making and execution doesn't live up to the standard or gel with a successful brand of footy then it is what it is. Hopefully I am proven wrong, but for the time being I'll stand by my opinion that constantly wheeling around to make a quick play that isn't even on - does not fit in with a good brand of footy. Footy nouse and IQ for me is that, call it whatever you want. If he keeps doing it, it won't change my view of him. And if he keeps doing it, I doubt he will get that coamensistent run of games that everyone wants to see so badly.
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We have a glut of posters who throw out hasty opinions entirely devoid of any argument. So it's always nice to enjoy a well-reasoned debate, even if it's not sufficiently compelling to alter my perception. For all McInerney's footy nous (the ancient Greek word for intuition), it's the hardness, desperation and determination to defend and turn a game around that we've lacked in the past two GF appearances. McInerney let us down heavily in both games. Cox is looking for more mongrel.

McInerney runs and links up well in attack but he's a downhill skier. He's quick to mouth off, to take a sneaky swing at an opponent (or his teammate in training) but he's not tough or determined. I'd trust Corey to run harder, tackle harder, fight harder and do whatever it takes to get in and win the ball back. His play in attack is improving quickly but that's just icing on the cake.

I hope we can agree that it's great to have this much solid competition for spots. This is going to be an interesting year to watch. We may not get that bit of luck to make another GF but if we do we'll be better prepared for it.
 

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RubbaDuck said:
We have a glut of posters who throw out hasty opinions entirely devoid of any argument. So it's always nice to enjoy a well-reasoned debate, even if it's not sufficiently compelling to alter my perception. For all McInerney's footy nous (the ancient Greek word for intuition), it's the hardness, desperation and determination to defend and turn a game around that we've lacked in the past two GF appearances. McInerney let us down heavily in both games. Cox is looking for more mongrel.

McInerney runs and links up well in attack but he's a downhill skier. He's quick to mouth off, to take a sneaky swing at an opponent (or his teammate in training) but he's not tough or determined. I'd trust Corey to run harder, tackle harder, fight harder and do whatever it takes to get in and win the ball back. His play in attack is improving quickly but that's just icing on the cake.

I hope we can agree that it's great to have this much solid competition for spots. This is going to be an interesting year to watch. We may not get that bit of luck to make another GF but if we do we'll be better prepared for it.
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I appreciate your excitement for Warner Jr., and I agree he should be in the side when the team's announced on Thursday. But it is fantasy to think that there's any competition between he & McInerney.

McInerney at one stage last year was rated a top 3 wingman in the competition. He was top 5 in the B&F at the time he got injured in round 18, only played three games after that and was underdone in all of them. He (wrongly, IMO) won the Most Improved award last year as voted by the coaches. Our captain Callum Mills named McInerney our most underrated player. And he has been cited by Dean Cox in multiple interviews over the summer as being one of the versatile players he plans on deploying throughout the season.

All of the above does not paint the picture to me of a player who is in any danger of losing his spot in the best 22 this year. I get that he is not without some very real flaws in his game that he needs to iron out, but geez it feels like his weaknesses are so disproportionately focused on compared to others who are consistently lauded for their strengths despite also possessing glaring weaknesses.

McInerney was our number two wingman last year and probably starts the year as our number one wingman this year with Gulden out. Warner Jr. is vying for a forward role and he himself said as much in his interview after re-signing. So not only are they on different levels as players at this stage, but their roles within the team aren't even that similar.
 
caesar88 said:
I appreciate your excitement for Warner Jr., and I agree he should be in the side when the team's announced on Thursday. But it is fantasy to think that there's any competition between he & McInerney.

McInerney at one stage last year was rated a top 3 wingman in the competition. He was top 5 in the B&F at the time he got injured in round 18, only played three games after that and was underdone in all of them. He (wrongly, IMO) won the Most Improved award last year as voted by the coaches. Our captain Callum Mills named McInerney our most underrated player. And he has been cited by Dean Cox in multiple interviews over the summer as being one of the versatile players he plans on deploying throughout the season.

All of the above does not paint the picture to me of a player who is in any danger of losing his spot in the best 22 this year. I get that he is not without some very real flaws in his game that he needs to iron out, but geez it feels like his weaknesses are so disproportionately focused on compared to others who are consistently lauded for their strengths despite also possessing glaring weaknesses.

McInerney was our number two wingman last year and probably starts the year as our number one wingman this year with Gulden out. Warner Jr. is vying for a forward role and he himself said as much in his interview after re-signing. So not only are they on different levels as players at this stage, but their roles within the team aren't even that similar.
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So many times I've heard fans rally against players getting games on reputation when their form has clearly dropped. We haven't seen anywhere near McInerney's best form since he came back late in 2024. His first game back was downright awful. He missed simple kicks to players 20m away. Optimism allowed him back too early. We needed players back but he really should not have played any more that year. His GF was a waste of a spot and helped to kill any chance of a rebound. I've been through his GF game in detail so I won't again.

I get that McInerney was playing very well, especially his attacking game. For most of 2024 I was one of his biggest fans. I understand why Cox is trying desperately to get him back into best form. And, of course Mills and Cox would pump him up publicly. Comments about a player are generally for the attention of the player themselves as much as for the general public. There's no way Mills or Cox wouldn't encourage a player who is struggling to recover best form. Imagine the opposite "What about Justin McInerney?" "McInerney? **** knows what's gone wrong with him". It's hardly an inspirational statement for Justin.

As I said earlier. I'd like to see McInerney regain his best form. I'd also like to see Corey get a chance to cement his spot.
 
RubbaDuck said:
So many times I've heard fans rally against players getting games on reputation when their form has clearly dropped. We haven't seen anywhere near McInerney's best form since he came back late in 2024. His first game back was downright awful. He missed simple kicks to players 20m away. Optimism allowed him back too early. We needed players back but he really should not have played any more that year. His GF was a waste of a spot and helped to kill any chance of a rebound. I've been through his GF game in detail so I won't again.

I get that McInerney was playing very well, especially his attacking game. For most of 2024 I was one of his biggest fans. I understand why Cox is trying desperately to get him back into best form. And, of course Mills and Cox would pump him up publicly. Comments about a player are generally for the attention of the player themselves as much as for the general public. There's no way Mills or Cox wouldn't encourage a player who is struggling to recover best form. Imagine the opposite "What about Justin McInerney?" "McInerney? **** knows what's gone wrong with him". It's hardly an inspirational statement for Justin.

As I said earlier. I'd like to see McInerney regain his best form. I'd also like to see Corey get a chance to cement his spot.
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The point is Corey isn't just going to cement his spot on application alone. He is yet to have an outstanding all round starting game. Lacked some in-game fitness at the highest level (despite having good off field fitness) and the decision making side probably the most obvious flaw. These things have to improve 10 fold before he cements a spot. The application is pointless if the end product is a liability, and the application alone isn't going to flip a GF result - that would just be replacing one deficiency with another. And in this caper general skill and fitness is the thing that's more likely to win you a game than just a dour slog toiling away at the contest without being able to finish. Players need to have both. Mcinerney has both in his locker, and yes in 2 games he wasn't up to par, but he has it we've seen it. And it's not like Corey is outstanding in that area either, he is still a lightly framed player - that's where i think Hanily is more solid based on current evidence.

Look how long it took someone like Harry to get a regular spot. He was the epitome of application, but it took a long while for him to improve the other other areas of his game. Corey may get there, but if you want to highlight Mcinerney's praccy game as a justification for not being at pre injury form, then you can't ignore Corey's deficiencies in that game either, because on the decision making front he was still raw.

At the end of the day the real stuff starts on friday - you need to select the team that is most likely to get you a result. Corey may make it in, but his short term challenge of keeping a spot will be dependant on bridging the gap between his strengths and deficiencies. His pass mark can no longer just be being energetic around the contest whilst being flippant about his ability to finish and gel with the team. That's what i'm judging him on from this point onwards, hence why i might be a bit harsh on him.
 
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