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[Tom14]

Smith and Reville would not hold any value in a trade for Harry McKay. Your first round pick this year will also likely push out to 20-25+ due to how compromised the draft is. That package would not be close to what I would accept if I was willing to let Harry go. Giving the Lions Harry would almost guarantee them the next three flags.

Love when people come onto other teams boards and offer up two VFL players plus a couple of bad draft picks for a good afl player lol.

 

[carlton_99]

Love when people come onto other teams boards and offer up two VFL players plus a couple of bad draft picks for a good afl player lol.

And I meant no disrespect to those players either. Just think the value is way off especially with Brisbane's first pick likely landing around 20-25.

 

[Tom14]

And I meant no disrespect to those players either. Just think the value is way off especially with Brisbane's first pick likely landing around 20-25.

I like both of them, but Bruce is 24 and isn't a regular senior player, and Henry has had two concussions this year and now has a serious foot injury. Like come on.

 

[Accidental genius]

I have been told by multiple connected types that “if Voss is coaching next year, Walsh won’t be here”.

Wow - I wasn’t aware.

Is this because Walsh doesn’t rate Voss or other way round?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Wow - I wasn’t aware.

Is this because Walsh doesn’t rate Voss or other way round?

Voss' game style is pretty much the opposite of what Walsh needs to thrive in. Teague suited Walsh much better with a much more spread attack and ball movement. He now has to work in congestion far more than he used to.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Makes total sense. The only player we have that can run and spread but we want to trade.
Any wonder this club can’t progress…..

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

I like both of them, but Bruce is 24 and isn't a regular senior player, and Henry has had two concussions this year and now has a serious foot injury. Like come on.

Bruce is also an out of contract Cat B rookie that'll have to be elevated to the senior list at some stage to stay on your roster. With all due respect to him, he's probably worth a 3rd rounder at best.

Henry I don't know too much about, but we just delisted 3 injury plagued players the end of last year, so there's little chance we'd even be slightly interested unless he's a DFA.

I agree that it'd take more than that to even entertain a potential trade....even moreso given Harry's contracted until 2030.

 

[HalloweenJack]

Voss' game style is pretty much the opposite of what Walsh needs to thrive in. Teague suited Walsh much better with a much more spread attack and ball movement. He now has to work in congestion far more than he used to.

Is it any wonder that we are going nowhere when Voss uses an elite player (as Walsh is) as he does rather than maximise his talents. It is beyond belief that a game plan is so intractable!

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

Probably missed the boat but would not blame TDK for taking the money. It's life changing.

Earning 200k a year is life changing for most of us! 1.7m a year is pie in the sky obscene!

 

[The Bighouse]

Voss' game style is pretty much the opposite of what Walsh needs to thrive in. Teague suited Walsh much better with a much more spread attack and ball movement. He now has to work in congestion far more than he used to.

Hold on, the same Garry Ayres Medalist style.
You don’t pick and choose.
Some skill improvement is required.

Contested footy and defence = 2 of the 3 pillars to succeed c/- J.Hird that we’re on top of. Not sure what the 3rd is (skills are pretty high up there IMO..).

 

[Coops93]

I don't think this play style is sustainable for Walsh, not that he can't play well in it. His body can't handle the load, which is why he's broken down most years under Voss. He's a natural runner, one of the best in the AFL. He was Nick Daicos in his first couple of years, let's not forget his first year or 2 was talked about as being the best first/2nd year ever by a player. In his 3rd year he got 30 Brownlow votes - the last yr pre-Voss. Since then, he's been injured frequently and only really had one great patch of form, which was probably the last 6 weeks or so of 2022.

He's good enough a player to play well in any system, but we certainly aren't getting close to the best out of him.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Sam McClure going with, TDKs manager meeting with StKilda power brokers and list team.

If TDK left:

Trade Target
Reid - Who’d pay $1-2m a year for a guy that averages 16 touches at HB (including kick ins). Do love his swagger.
Rowell - Absolutely, imagine a midfield of

C: Cerra Rowell Walsh
F: HOK Smith Walker

 

[Y Goat]

Prefer option 2. Cats & Pies method : put well targeted (for need) role players around some experienced solid/star players we have

Don’t think Option 1, going back to the bottom for (5?) years is the right way to go, and no guarantee to climb back up

 

[Crippa#9]

No more excuses…

Each year we’re getting worse… The 10 year rebuild has been a failure!

So many failed appointments in the football department didn’t help.

However, having so much cap invested in 6 players. Forcing us to have a strategy of drafting mid-late picks and failed delisted players, hasn’t worked.

Draw a line in the sand and build a new strategy.

1. Blow up the list and hit the draft (Richmond and North)
2. Double down for the now. Trade out some players and go hard at the trade/FA period. (Geelong, Collingwood and Hawks)

Untouchables
JSOS, Newman & Weitering

Tradable (Need to be a great deal)
McKay, Curnow, TDK, Cripps, Hewett, Walsh, Cerra

Untouchable Kids
Smith, HOF, HOK & E.Hollands

Senior Depth (Worth more to us. No Value)
Acres, Saad, McGovern, Haynes and Williams
All the Rest
On the table

Sam McClure going with TDKs manager meeting with StKilda power brokers and list team.

If TDK left:

Trade Target (Big Names)
Reid - Who’d pay $1-2m a year for a guy that averages 16 touches at HB (including kick ins). Do love his swagger.
Oliver - Massive long term deal
Rowell - Absolutely imagine a midfield of

C: Cerra Rowell Walsh
F: HOK Smith Walker

Trade Targets
Ryan, Fritsch, Butts

Heard we've had discussions with Miles Bergman's management. Not huge news as I would imagine every Vic club would have some level of interest in him.

 

[sweethoney]

Heard we've had discussion with Miles Bergman's management. Not huge news as I would imagine every Vic club would have some level of interest in him.

Saints seemed front runners a while ago. Hopefully they’ve got no money left to spend if they land Tdk and leek aleer

 

[DangerousD]

This is a good point and something that I've missed.

I was speaking to one of my old colleagues in the US (he's still scouting for Houston, tough playoff exit this year) overnight and part of what he said was:

"Modern sports science has revolutionized how we view aging in basketball. The old belief that players, especially small guards, are 'past it' by their early 30s is outdated. With advanced training and recovery methods, careers are extending well beyond traditional age limits. Significant injuries, not age, and change of life focus and better talent coming into the league is what typically end careers now."

Your Geelong and Collingwood examples are good pointers of the same happening in the AFL.

Regardless, list profile is important and I feel we've gone too far the other way this year -- too many unproven players on the list. It should sort itself out long-term though.

I think in the simplest terms, we have still been really poor at drafting and this has caused issues in the list make up. The drafting has been bad for some time, so i hope that we make changes in this space.

 

[DangerousD]

We were incredibly lucky to receive 2x1st rounders for Gibbs

Forgotten tge name of their list manager at the time but he got schooled big time

Not really, off the top of my head Shiel got 2x1st rounders, Beams 2x1st rounders, Rioli and Bolton just got 2x1st rounders.

Depending on where the 1st rounders fall, its not a huge price for a player that is a sure thing.

 

[Blue Pulse]

I hear you.
Bruce was playing qafl and working in a slaughter house 4 years ago comes from a rugby background
He has alot of improvement in him i think that needs to be taken into account as for Smith if 1 of the best rucks to ever play our game (Gawn) Has openly said this guy is the future and a beast to play against and rates him highly i think that alone carry some merit.
Bruce is 24 ready made and is a solid replacement for the aging Saad Docherty Acres.
Is Harry the best at his position in the afl?
When was he last AA
where has he finished in the bnf the last three years.
Btw I kid called Crisp was considered steak knives when we traded him didn't he win multi Copelands and has been AA and a premiership player since .
Smith and Reville both have high ceilings a first rounder and cap space could be a blessing.

I have enjoyed chatting about this with you RB I hope the blues go well with the current list and have some success in finals

Compare Harry's and Daniher's stats from last season, not too much difference.

Don't mind what you are suggesting, I'm not too familiar with those players you have recommended but I don't mind other suggestions as our current list managers are obviously not getting things right. If the guys you are suggesting have some mongrel and attitude, I'd consider it.

How's Luke Lloyd travelling?

Harry is a guy with huge potential and talent that should be busting games open, problem is, he doesn't realise it and at his age, he may never realise it.

 

[Accidental genius]

Not really, off the top of my head Shiel got 2x1st rounders, Beams 2x1st rounders, Rioli and Bolton just got 2x1st rounders.

Depending on where the 1st rounders fall, its not a huge price for a player that is a sure thing.

Yeah gibbs was good for us but dropped off badly when he crossed over to the crows - not sure if injuries played a part.

 

[Coops93]

Not really, off the top of my head Shiel got 2x1st rounders, Beams 2x1st rounders, Rioli and Bolton just got 2x1st rounders.

Depending on where the 1st rounders fall, its not a huge price for a player that is a sure thing.

Gibbs was a huge bust of a trade for Adelaide.

Fwiw so was Beams & Shiel really, though to a lesser extent. Gibbs was a disaster for Adelaide.

There's no such thing as a sure thing.

 

[Stamos]

Gibbs was a huge bust of a trade for Adelaide.

Fwiw so was Beams & Shiel really, though to a lesser extend. Gibbs was a disaster for Adelaide.

There's no such thing as a sure thing.

Mainly because the Crows cooked themselves with the camp, not Gibbs’ fault.

Beams was a much bigger disaster for Collingwood.

 

[DangerousD]

Smith and Reville would be playing senior football for the current champs who are sitting on top of the ladder they hold some currency i would have Reville starting for you next week if he was on your list.
Don't sleep on Smith ill try to find the article Gawn pumps him up the Kids is good and young has had a few years in the system and is finally physically ready.
We have picked up Wilmot Loman Morris and Starc with picks around what you would get with our first this year.
There are always a few that slip threw just need the scouts to identify the talent.
Cap space released to make a run at a free agent 26 trade FA period.
Yes Harry would make us flag favs untill the end of this decade.
But it would no doubt make the blues stronger long term.... in my opinion of course.

I see you pushing hard for Allan and im wondering if you’re doing this because Morris isn’t re-signing, you could be trading Morris and getting Allan for free.

In the event you get Allan or miss out and then come for Harry, i assume its because Morris wants to go home.

For me personally to entertain the idea of harry leaving, id be wanting a top 10 pick and a top 20 pick, I’ve seen Morris has continued solid development but im not sure if he’s top 10 worthy but for sure top 20.

We aren’t letting Harry go for picks in the 20s and you still needs points for academy players, we would need to think we are getting more back than what we are giving and you would get a player that would get you closer to another premiership or two.

 

[Blue Pulse]

I don't think this play style is sustainable for Walsh, not that he can't play well in it. His body can't handle the load, which is why he's broken down most years under Voss. He's a natural runner, one of the best in the AFL. He was Nick Daicos in his first couple of years, let's not forget his first year or 2 was talked about as being the best first/2nd year ever by a player. In his 3rd year he got 30 Brownlow votes - the last yr pre-Voss. Since then, he's been injured frequently and only really had one great patch of form, which was probably the last 6 weeks or so of 2022.

He's good enough a player to play well in any system, but we certainly aren't getting close to the best out of him.

You could apply that to most of our list. We really do not play our players to their own strengths. Walsh got smashed as an inside player against North last year and started to struggle after that. Instead of putting him onto a wing to ease the burden, we doubled down and played him inside more.

 

[Coops93]

Mainly because the Crows cooked themselves with the camp, not Gibbs’ fault.

Beams was a much bigger disaster for Collingwood.

Gibbs form was shocking of it's own accord, the camp cooked the club but Gibbs was cooked himself. He couldn't even get a game towards the end.

 

[Soapy V]

Wow - I wasn’t aware.

Is this because Walsh doesn’t rate Voss or other way round?

They just don't see eye to eye. This has been bubbling along for nearly 12 months. Common knowledge within the club. Confirmed by many people