Unofficial Preview Semi Final Saturday 7:35pm vs Gold Coast @ GABBA

[GenericUsername202]

I think it is time King reviewed some of his own games.

Or the fact that he cheated on his wife with a 25 year old.

 

[DERRINALPHIL]

yeah happy to have him as depth I just would not of had him infront of gallop or the fort/mcinerney duo, he should of only played when oscars back became a problem, he offered just about nothing and prevented games into gallop

The last bit is what annoys me. Smith also missed games for the same reason. Day was a bad mistake.

 

[KissKiss]

We were missing Kiddy & Linc last year too and won the Grand Final by 10 goals.

Realistically, I don't think Gardiner is a world away from what Payne was able to do last finals series (midway through the third quarter against the Giants, some Lions fans never wanted Payne to play again).

As for Noz, he's definitely a big loss, but the Grand Final last year was only his fourth or fifth game back in the side after being a fringe player for a long time. So it's not entirely accurate to call him a vital cog.

You're absolutely right about the forward line though. That is the biggest difference. Turning Joe & Eric into a battered Oscar and a very green Ty is an enormous downgrade. To make a dent in this finals series, we're going to need something very special from one or more of Logan, Kai, Charlie, Cam or Zac.

Above all else though, it would be humiliating to be knocked out by the Suns. They are a lot better, but they are not a great football side yet. Reckon Collingwood will demolish them if they get through.

I dont think I'd be too embarrassed by losing to the Suns now, they are turning into a good side as they finally experienced. I'd probably be more upset at being straight setted than who we lost to.

But I keep coming back to we have overperformed what most premiers recently have been able to do. Anything from here is just a bonus. If we win on we go as one of the best teams of this century so far. If we lose we get a bit longer to heal up and refocus on next year.

Im pretty happy sitting back and enjoying the ride still

 

[briztoon]

I'd give this post more credence if I'd seen it 6 weeks ago.

The doomer gimmick was fine in 2019-2022 where you'd pop up and accurately indicate we weren't a finished product and (less accurately) SHOULDN'T have done the neale trade.

I don’t see how saying we weren’t ready yet is doomer, nor do I recall saying we shouldn’t have traded for Neale. I did say Noble broke from his plan to go to 3 consecutive drafts.

Edit: turns out I did say it.

As I've said I think this year is done and we could well lose to Gold Coast but I'm not taking any serious criticism out of last week into this week or going forward.

Our way of play has been very, very successful and yeah Kingy can pull vision of things going badly last week and make very broad conclusions but frankly we were just beaten in fundamentals of contest and structure.

Its an overall aberration this season (the pies loss was as bad, the suns loss was purely built on ridiculous goalscoring from clearance so not comparable) and I don't think there's anything to take away longterm.

 

[twhowler]

The last bit is what annoys me. Smith also missed games for the same reason. Day was a bad mistake.

Day was terrible on the weekend.

But was he really a mistake when he played?

He has barely kicked a goal. But for most of his games he was what we needed - competed really well in the air, took some ruck minutes.

Gallop is a first-year key forward, thinking he was going to just blossom automatically is not realistic. Morris is the exception not the norm. I would have given Gallop more of a go when Day was injured - but not instead of Day at that point.

Hipwood struggled in the ruck - was in great form before he went in there - and possibly did his acl at turns out.

Oscar and Fort together looked terrible every time we did it, with Oscar struggling with injury all year.

We tried Gardiner as well as a key forward but once Payne was injured that was no longer an option

Smith missed a huge chunk of the season. If he were available we could have given him a good shot but he wasn't. Being a foot injury he lost a lot of condition. He came in and kicked 3 goals but didn't get much of it against the pies. Had a shocker against Sydney. He has some ability but needs a very strong pre season by the look of him.

Day looked like he was working out okay for what we wanted - a one-year stop gap to just keep the forward line functioning. By late in the season he has struggled. And that has been amplified by no Hipwood.

It's been much more bad luck than bad management IMO

 

[Tom14]

I don’t see how saying we weren’t ready yet is doomer, nor do I recall saying we shouldn’t have traded for Neale. I did say Noble broke from his plan to go to 3 consecutive drafts.

Edit: turns out I did say it.

 

[3KZ is Football]

I'm having concerns our season will end in whimper tomorrow night.

Lions are going to pull Suns apart.

 

[Darren Downunder]

Briztoon isnt phrasing it like that though

Hes baiting people into a conversation where he can set up "I told you so" when we lose

Briz baits people?
Briz?
Interesting… I haven’t noticed Briz baiting anyone.
I’ve seen plenty of others try to bait, Nathan.
Can you think of anyone else?

 

[briztoon]

Briztoon isnt phrasing it like that though

Hes baiting people into a conversation where he can set up "I told you so" when we lose

heck some people have a sh!tty way of reading things here. I rarely pull the I told you so card. Pretty sure I've got it reserved for one WC poster. I'm flat out remembering what I posted yesterday, let alone who knows how long ago, to pull out a "I told you so", and that's not even taking in to account I'd have to remember who the poster is I'd be saying "I told you so" to.

Nor do I bait people here. On the free for all trade baords, sure.

 

[briztoon]

Briz's doomer take is historical. Consistently from 2019-mid2023 he'd pop up bemoaning list deficiencies and us giving up on rebuilding through the draft by doing the Neale trade.

How many times? Seeing as I didn't even remember the one time you've already found.

 

[briztoon]

We're also capable with a full squad of playing significantly better footy than the Suns.

Yeah, that's the point I've been making though.

There's really no need to dwell on the negatives. We've had many incredible performances this season without relying on all of our best 22 to all fire at once

Plus it's a final, anything can happen. As Lions supporters we should know that better than most

 

[Elixuh]

heck some people have a sh!tty way of reading things here. I rarely pull the I told you so card. Pretty sure I've got it reserved for one WC poster. I'm flat out remembering what I posted yesterday, let alone who knows how long ago, to pull out a "I told you so", and that's not even taking in to account I'd have to remember who the poster is I'd be saying "I told you so" to.

Nor do I bait people here. On the free for all trade baords, sure.

You were absolutely bottling the spuds on the D&T board yesterday. It was beautiful to read.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Briz baits people?
Briz?
Interesting… I haven’t noticed Briz baiting anyone.
I’ve seen plenty of others try to bait, Nathan.
Can you think of anyone else?

heck some people have a sh!tty way of reading things here. I rarely pull the I told you so card. Pretty sure I've got it reserved for one WC poster. I'm flat out remembering what I posted yesterday, let alone who knows how long ago, to pull out a "I told you so", and that's not even taking in to account I'd have to remember who the poster is I'd be saying "I told you so" to.

Nor do I bait people here. On the free for all trade baords, sure.

Here, here! briztoon is alright. This is a tense situation and anything can happen in football. Watching the Geelong game play out was disheartening, even more so for those of us who were there. I have no problem with someone posting that they are worried we might lose. Their concerns are legitimate. On the flip side, there are people like me who believe the Suns are going to lose and lose big. It’s just a personal belief, or feeling, if you like. Hard to argue against someone’s feeling about how something will play out.

Lions by lots.

 

[M Malice]

heck some people have a sh!tty way of reading things here. I rarely pull the I told you so card. Pretty sure I've got it reserved for one WC poster. I'm flat out remembering what I posted yesterday, let alone who knows how long ago, to pull out a "I told you so", and that's not even taking in to account I'd have to remember who the poster is I'd be saying "I told you so" to.

Nor do I bait people here. On the free for all trade baords, sure.

Me too, sometimes I have to search back through my own posts to see if I am repeating myself ad nauseam.. and I still do it occasionally.

I can also never remember what other posters have posted, can think of a posting style/theme but anything else is way beyond my current cognitive ability.

 

[briztoon]

You were absolutely bottling the spuds on the D&T board yesterday. It was beautiful to read.

Yeah, I've got a case of man flu atm, and my meds really hit me in the evening sometimes.

 

[briztoon]

Here, here! briztoon is alright. This is a tense situation and anything can happen in football. Watching the Geelong game play out was disheartening, even more so for those of us who were there. I have no problem with someone posting that they are worried we might lose. Their concerns are legitimate. On the flip side, there are people like me who believe the Suns are going to lose and lose big. It’s just a personal belief, or feeling, if you like. Hard to argue against someone’s feeling about how something will play out.

Lions by lots.

I spent most of last week saying the two teams in the finals that don't scare me were Geelong and Collingwood. Been having to walk that back a fair bit this week.

 

[Tom14]

How many times? Seeing as I didn't even remember the one time you've already found.

Sadly for you Briz I remember way too much about Bigfooty arguments that I've had. I will say in a lot of spots you don't say that we shouldn't have traded for Neale.

But you sure do like to bring up the downside of not having a top end pick in the 2018 draft a lot!

2018:





2022:





(in fairness you don't say we shouldn't have traded for Neale here.. but you do say it was 'Unfortunate' that Noble deviated).

2022:

I don’t disagree with this.

But people had to realise this came at an opportunity cost, and put a time limit on our window.

Noble continually said we needed to go to three drafts, and accrue as much high end talent as possible.

We didn’t do this. We hit the 2016 and 2017 drafts. Sold our 2018 draft for Neale.

Then made finals which denied us the chance of adding more high end talent, and to make matters worse, we traded out of the first round of the 2019 draft in a deep draft, for a future pick in a weak draft (based on that drafts U16 championships).

Then we traded our two first round picks in the 2020 draft for a single pick in 2021, in another bad trade.

What that has left us with is a genuine talent gap between the Rayner/Bailey/Starcevich in the 2017 draft and last year’s draft of Wilmot and Lohman in 2021.


As has been mentioned in the Melbourne review thread, we have a lack of good to elite kicks out of defence and in the midfield.

This makes it easy for oppositions to focus on defending our better kicks, so it forces the ball to our poorer kicks and then oppositions rebound the turnover.


Wilmot, Lohman, Ashcroft and Fletcher won’t be coming in to compliment a winning team. They’ll be coming in to replace old, retiring players, or replacing less talented players.

And we’ll still have two main issues, lack of young developing KPP’s and no genuine midfield depth.

2023:

Also, a lot of that comes back to us going a year early on Neale.

I’m not criticising the trade, but we compromised on David Noble’s strategy of going to three consecutive drafts with strong hands.

We should have one more crop of players from the 2018 draft, which we don’t have.

 

[Tom14]

heck some people have a sh!tty way of reading things here. I rarely pull the I told you so card. Pretty sure I've got it reserved for one WC poster. I'm flat out remembering what I posted yesterday, let alone who knows how long ago, to pull out a "I told you so", and that's not even taking in to account I'd have to remember who the poster is I'd be saying "I told you so" to.

Nor do I bait people here. On the free for all trade baords, sure.

You were absolutely bottling the spuds on the D&T board yesterday. It was beautiful to read.

I will never criticise Briz on any other board. We keep our disputes in this house private.

 

[Elixuh]

Sadly for you Briz I remember way too much about Bigfooty arguments that I've had. I will say in a lot of spots you don't say that we shouldn't have traded for Neale.

But you sure do like to bring up the downside of not having a top end pick in the 2018 draft a lot!

2018:

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2022:


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(in fairness you don't say we shouldn't have traded for Neale here.. but you do say it was 'Unfortunate' that Noble deviated).

2022:




2023:

Hot dang Tom is KEEPING RECEIPTS

 

[Tom14]

Hot dang Tom is KEEPING RECEIPTS

Half of those posts were direct responses to me arguing with Briz.

Anyway sometimes you find sensational old posts:




The less said about my posting history regarding Jack Payne the better though.

 

[Happy_Neale]

There's a lot of confirmation bias when this happens to our players. It's really not that uncommon if the kick isnt to the talls advantage and the small uses his body well (borderline illegally).

Even Zorko spoiled Ben King that one time when he should've gone harder at the footy

It’s one thing to get a spoil against a bigger guy or whatever but getting outmarked by a 178cm Miers is inexcusable

 

[briztoon]

Sadly for you Briz I remember way too much about Bigfooty arguments that I've had. I will say in a lot of spots you don't say that we shouldn't have traded for Neale.

But you sure do like to bring up the downside of not having a top end pick in the 2018 draft a lot!

2018:

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2022:


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(in fairness you don't say we shouldn't have traded for Neale here.. but you do say it was 'Unfortunate' that Noble deviated).

2022:




2023:

Man, you must hold on to a lot of stuff. Or have a shed load of stuff bookmarked. Or too much time. I'd hate to have to trawl back through my posts looking for something from years ago.

And why are you pulling stuff from my discussions on the West Coast board. At least you found the beginning of Obeanie1's fued with me.

 

[Nathan Barley]

It’s one thing to get a spoil against a bigger guy or whatever but getting outmarked by a 178cm Miers is inexcusable

Well I’d suggest that most of the talls currently in the AFL are inexcusable

 

[briztoon]

Hot dang Tom is KEEPING RECEIPTS

I think Tom is using the search function, and not properly vetting some of the posts he's cutting and pasting. One is clearly from the West Coast board.

 

[M Malice]

Hell I thought Patrick Karnezis

Patrick Karnezis

Age

33

Ht

191cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.0

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.9

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.8

5star

and Jared Polec

13

Jared Polec

Age

33

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.6

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

20.5

5star

K

13.1

5star

HB

7.4

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

2.9

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

were going to be our saviours from the 2010 draft, Froggy still around from that draft.

Luckily Patrick and Jared were recruited before my time on Big Footy.