USA MAGA activist Charlie Kirk shot dead during Utah rally

[Gethelred]

Okay. We've probably had enough of a free for all.

There are still forum and site posting guidelines, and you will abide by them.

A few seem to be of the opinion that now is a good time to have a crack at moderators or moderation. I'd rather like to discourage that impulse so I'm going to make it explicit: a moderator on this forum is a poster like any other, and can share their views and have free use of the forum like any other. If you feel a post breaches the rules report it; attacking a mod for their posting or objecting to a post purely because a moderator said it is grounds for an infraction and some time off.

From here, if you cannot speak civilly, you will not be allowed to participate.

Thanks all.

 

[Barrybran]

Another MAGA nutcase?

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And nobody was surprised

 

[10571z]

The right wing keeps producing domestic terrorists and mass shooters, a violent ideology, that Kirk, as horrible as he is, was done in by someone even further right than him sums it up

How have we established the shooter was further right?

 

[kickazz]

Well my vocabulary has increased by one today - Groyper.

****en hell. Go out and kick a footy kids. Enjoy yourselves. Cooking oneself on the Internet just gets you upset.

And whilst I'm opposed to the upcoming social media ban I do wonder if letting the kids do what they want online is like taking them to a park and letting them hang out with the dodgiest looking adult(s) for a few hours. What could possibly go wrong.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

So they have caught the young bloke who did it. Now what? It will be a circus over there as they destroy this brainwashed fool's life! Some of the vile celebratory tik tok videos should be met with charges of incitement as the hateful and violent Left will probably go into bat for this 22 year old nutjob? If he had something to say and he was against Kirk, why didn't he try and come up to the microphone and make his case? The answer is simple, he had no argument!

Why didn't the gunman go to a town hall and ask questions of Melissa Hortman, instead of executing her, her husband and her dog?

Where was the sympathy from the right on that one? Not from Trump, not from anyone.

Charlie Kirk suggested a fund-raiser to get the guy who attacked Paul Pelosi with a hammer out of jail.

You're here talking about the hateful and violent left going to bat for him?

Yeah, you're just full of indoctrinated talking points.

Right leaning shooters = hateful and violent left. Yet in the aftermath of every attack, there are calls for civil war and rounding up lefties.

 

[GreyCrow]

Words I learnt today

Groyper

 

[Cap]

So they have caught the young bloke who did it. Now what? It will be a circus over there as they destroy this brainwashed fool's life! Some of the vile celebratory tik tok videos should be met with charges of incitement as the hateful and violent Left will probably go into bat for this 22 year old nutjob? If he had something to say and he was against Kirk, why didn't he try and come up to the microphone and make his case? The answer is simple, he had no argument!

Now people like you ignore its another MAGA person literally killing someone and call everyone else violent.

 

[kickazz]

Why didn't the gunman go to a town hall and ask questions of Melissa Hortman, instead of executing her, her husband and her dog?

Where was the sympathy from the right on that one? Not from Trump, not from anyone.

Charlie Kirk suggested a fund-raiser to get the guy who attacked Paul Pelosi with a hammer out of jail.

You're here talking about the hateful and violent left going to bat for him?

Yeah, you're just full of indoctrinated talking points.

Right leaning shooters = hateful and violent left. Yet in the aftermath of every attack, there are calls for civil war and rounding up lefties.

Good, reasoned post. Come on JackFlash do you have a logical retort?

 

[kickazz]

How have we established the shooter was further right?

No, obviously its all speculation at this stage, based on these Groyper types who hated Kirk for not being Trumpy enough or something like that.

My uninformed theory is he was offed because of his agitation around the Epstein stuff.

But who the **** knows. Nutjob with a gun.

 

[Gethelred]

How have we established the shooter was further right?

There's a link a page or so back that suggests that Tyler Robinson was perhaps a fan of Nick Fuentes, who has put significant time and effort into exposing Kirk as a fake conservative.

This is Nick Fuentes.

 

[schneebly111]

Very hard to believe but I guess it's an explanation. The question is how can you be more far right than Kirk. But I know groypers usually are pretty insane.

Support for Israel is the main one. The extreme right (I mean NN) is anti Israel whereas Kirk was pro

 

[Romeoh1]

The spin...

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The University of Utah, in Salt Lake City, Utah is not exactly a radical leftist haven. And Robinson was there for....one semester.

But yeah, those sly scheming professors.

lol- some people over there are so cracked. So consumed by paranoia and bitterness.

 

[Cooldude]

Words I learnt today

Groyper

Most people learnt who Charlie Kirk yesterday so groyper will be today's new word

Unfortunately the pearl clutchers will probably vacate the premises and stop caring now that it isn't some trans whatever that did the deed but one of their own (again)

 

[GreyCrow]

Most people learnt who Charlie Kirk yesterday so groyper will be today's new word

Unfortunately the pearl clutchers will probably vacate the premises and stop caring now that it isn't some trans whatever that did the deed but one of their own (again)

The 'Ive got better things to do today like getting outside derp derp ' crowd

All the while failing the irony test that if Robinson was Trans/Left they would be mashing keyboards all morning

I might make up missing persons posters soon

 

[Gethelred]

There is a theory of empire that posits any act committed by empire in their subject nations will inevitably be conducted by government at home in the fullness of time.

America tortured people and detained them without trial in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib; now, supposed illegal immigrants are being detained without trial in El Salvador and elsewhere after being forcibly removed from US soil. America had zero issues using drones to assasinate Soleimani, and the entire nation celebrated the violation of Pakistan's sovereignty and execution of Osama Bin Laden; innately political violence and death that were championed and celebrated. This is not to say that neither men shouldn't have died; merely, that the phrase 'political violence is to be condemned' - paraded up and down this thread and through the media like a talisman against evil - is purest fiction, a hypocrisy that we all share to an extent. For who could say that the death of Hitler was a bad thing?

No, humans and specifically America have a long history of solving problems with violence, and an even longer history with just open hypocrisy, saying one thing in public without even taking the care to keep themselves doing the opposite in private.

The nation's founders wrote 'all men are created equal' whilst themselves owning slaves.

The only difference with this death is that it occurred at home and was not conducted by the government. This is noteworthy for a few different reasons. One is purely that the cat is out of the bag now: the state no longer holds a monopoly over violence within its own borders. A private citizen successfully conductee an assassination on a political target; regardless of his reasons, he had to know it would be interpreted politically. This has tremendous fallout: the population at large knows it's possible now, in a way they didn't before.

If I were a talking head in America, from this point I'd only be speaking out from behind bulletproof glass.

Two: the fallout has slipped into the pattern for modern political discourse, that being the left defends while the right attacks. This is singularly rather frustrating for anyone left wing; check out the opening 10ish pages of this thread for an example of those wanting to 'attack' the left for Kirk's murder, rather than waiting for any actual evidence.

Three: this has much more to do with their gun culture and internet than anything else.

People think being 'cooked' online is something that only happens to niche cases (the terminally online, 4chan, twitter, etc) and they think it is more likely to impact kids. It really isn't; the only difference is that young people lack the fully developed brains to give them impulse control sufficient to not do something about the world around them.

We're all cooked, to a greater or lesser extent. We all have our cognitive and experiental biases, and we all interpret the information we receive through those biases.

And while you might be able to go and purchase a like gun here - thanks Malifice and Sir_Loin, I didn't know anything about that prior to your discussion - you're not nearly as likely to be taught how to shoot here, inculcated into gun use and ownership, know someone who owns guns and uses them on the regular. A person of similar age and upbringing anywhere else in the world external to that cultural pretext isn't trying to do that.

It's not just the access, it's the culture around them that's the problem.

 

[100action]

The left being the ideology of murder is becoming ever more prescient.

• William McKinley – assassinated by a radical leftist
• John F. Kennedy – killed by an extreme leftist/socialist
• Franklin D. Roosevelt* – survived an attempt by a radical leftist
• Gerald Ford* – targeted twice, with at least one attempt by a radical leftist
• Donald Trump* – remains unclear, though indications suggest possible leftist ties given donations to Democratic causes

The Overton window is shifting. As a neutral observer, I see that—especially following recent events (the failed assassination of Trump, the murder of Iryna, and the assassination of Kirk)—the centre-right and right have become less tolerant of open discussion and healthy debate. Instead, they are increasingly adopting tactics associated with the left, like the cancellation of those celebrating Kirk's death.

The political left needs to take a serious look at its rhetoric and messaging given it has contributed significantly to the indoctrination and the radicalisation of individuals.

 

[bourbons]

Thank you, I hope people don’t laugh at you if you are murdered by a drunk considering you support people dying for that right.

Ah well, at least you'll be there to hysterically defend me if I do!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

There's a link a page or so back that suggests that Tyler Robinson was perhaps a fan of Nick Fuentes, who has put significant time and effort into exposing Kirk as a fake conservative.

This is Nick Fuentes.

Yes, he was a groyper/incel.

Tyler Robinson, who turned himself in for murdering right wing activist Charlie Kirk, was not acting on left wing ideals but was deeply influenced by the far right “Groyper” movement led by Nick Fuentes. Robinson grew up in a MAGA household, his father was a police officer, and he was surrounded by guns from a young age. Family photos even show him dressed as Pepe the Frog for Halloween, a character that has become a Groyper mascot.

When police examined his ammunition, they discovered Robinson had scratched “Bella Ciao” onto a casing. Though the song began as an anti fascist anthem, it has been co-opted into the online ecosystem of Groypers and incels, and it even shows up on the “Groyper War” playlist on Spotify. This mix of memes, music, and menace reflects how the far right glamorizes violence and recruits followers while hiding behind irony.

Before any of this was known, Donald Trump blamed “the radical left” and Elon Musk claimed Democrats are “the party of murder.” Both owe the country an apology. The reality is a huge percentage of political violence in recent years has come from the right. Officials in Evergreen Colorado confirmed that the 16 year old boy who carried out a shooting just moments after Kirk's was ALSO radicalized online by far right propaganda. Conservatives need to face the truth that their MAGA movement with countless right wing dudebro podcasters is radicalizing an entire generation of young men across this country.

 

[bourbons]

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Ahh, the Bill Maher approach - he was nice to me personally therefore the criticism he cops is over the top

 

[Chief]

Right leaning shooters = hateful and violent left. Yet in the aftermath of every attack, there are calls for civil war and rounding up lefties.

It's the accelerationist ideology.

They are always calling for a war so they can claim legitimacy of their twisted hate over democratic processes.

 

[10571z]

Ahh, the Bill Maher approach - he was nice to me personally therefore the criticism he cops is over the top

Well i mean King has apologised for his out of context quote. It hilarious they are trying to find out of context snippets and the left are falling for it.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Based on the early information Tyler Robinson appears to have been more on the right side of political beliefs.

The interesting thing is the Trump assassination attempt and now the Kirk assassination appears to be from perpetrator on the right side beliefs.

Regarding the motivation for the Kirk assassination I don't really know. I'm only speculating that I think as others said that is was a part of Groyper; or the other possibility is to cause conflict/chaos between the Democrats and Republicans.

The US seems to be more divided than ever. Perhaps he thought if he could assassinate Kirk it would lead to the Democrats being blamed and the Republicans would double down on repressing the Democrats and take even more extreme measures to start a war with them.

If he was a Groyper then he may also think that this would push the more moderate Republicans further right with the "us vs them" environment it creates.

 

[awaremind]

Nice backpedal attempt.

You've been clenching your fists about this thing for well over a day now mate.
It's not like I can't see your other posts on this you doofus.

Very clear for all to see that you have donated or bought merch from his turning point foundation at some point or perhaps multiple times.

You've still got our very own avi yemeni to do that with now though, so not all is lost. Cheer up.

You have totally misjudged me. Do better. And maybe apologise to your old mates.

 

[Royces Hart]

The left being the ideology of murder is becoming ever more prescient.

• William McKinley – assassinated by a radical leftist
• John F. Kennedy – killed by an extreme leftist/socialist
• Franklin D. Roosevelt* – survived an attempt by a radical leftist
• Gerald Ford* – targeted twice, with at least one attempt by a radical leftist
• Donald Trump* – remains unclear, though indications suggest possible leftist ties given donations to Democratic causes

The Overton window is shifting. As a neutral observer, I see that—especially following recent events (the failed assassination of Trump, the murder of Iryna, and the assassination of Kirk)—the centre-right and right have become less tolerant of open discussion and healthy debate. Instead, they are increasingly adopting tactics associated with the left, like the cancellation of those celebrating Kirk's death.

The political left needs to take a serious look at its rhetoric and messaging given it has contributed significantly to the indoctrination and the radicalisation of individuals.

How do you breathe, with your head so far in the sand?

 

[Borough Blood]

As a neutral observer

Do you actually think people are you taking you seriously? Good lord.

 

[Gethelred]

The left being the ideology of murder is becoming ever more prescient.

• William McKinley – assassinated by a radical leftist
• John F. Kennedy – killed by an extreme leftist/socialist
• Franklin D. Roosevelt* – survived an attempt by a radical leftist
• Gerald Ford* – targeted twice, with at least one attempt by a radical leftist
• Donald Trump* – remains unclear, though indications suggest possible leftist ties given donations to Democratic causes

The Overton window is shifting. As a neutral observer, I see that—especially following recent events (the failed assassination of Trump, the murder of Iryna, and the assassination of Kirk)—the centre-right and right have become less tolerant of open discussion and healthy debate. Instead, they are increasingly adopting tactics associated with the left, like the cancellation of those celebrating Kirk's death.

The political left needs to take a serious look at its rhetoric and messaging given it has contributed significantly to the indoctrination and the radicalisation of individuals.