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USA MAGA activist Charlie Kirk shot dead during Utah rally

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A few seem to be of the opinion that now is a good time to have a crack at moderators or moderation. I'd rather like to discourage that impulse so I'm going to make it explicit: a moderator on this forum is a poster like any other, and can share their views and have free use of the forum like any other. If you feel a post breaches the rules report it; attacking a mod for their posting or objecting to a post purely because a moderator said it is grounds for an infraction and some time off.

From here, if you cannot speak civilly, you will not be allowed to participate.

Thanks all.
 
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kranky al said:
All of this posted before the identity of the killer and his political leaning s came out……

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bzparkes said:
The bloke who dropped more bombs than any other president in recent history?
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Well not as many as Netanyahu I agree

But the question was grace and empathy

Find me a speech or a tweet or a post where he doesn't show either

I do like the mic drop as the worst he did
 
GreyCrow said:
Well not as many as Netanyahu I agree

But the question was grace and empathy

Find me a speech or a tweet or a post where he doesn't show either

I do like the mic drop as the worst he did
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You know he also deported more people than Trump currently has, right?
So not only did he drop more bombs(USA contributed to around 100k deaths in Yemen when he supported the Saudis during his presidency) he also deported more people.

Which is amusing because all across social media people were losing their minds over Trump's deportations whilst at the same time, claiming Obama did it better.

What empathy did Obama have?

I personally think he was a good president but he didn't exactly go out of his way to show real empathy.
 
bzparkes said:
You know he also deported more people than Trump currently has, right?
So not only did he drop more bombs(USA contributed to around 100k deaths in Yemen when he supported the Saudis during his presidency) he also deported more people.

Which is amusing because all across social media people were losing their minds over Trump's deportations whilst at the same time, claiming Obama did it better.
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Again find a tweet or post where Obama is as graceless or less empathetic as Trump or the Republican party
 
Grumpyshades said:
the same bloke in 8 years who did squat about guns
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Lol so we are now at the stage where Obama is to blame for Charlie Kirk's death

Just lol
 

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GreyCrow said:
Well not as many as Netanyahu I agree

But the question was grace and empathy

Find me a speech or a tweet or a post where he doesn't show either

I do like the mic drop as the worst he did
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Actions speak louder than words brother.
 
bzparkes said:
How about actions instead of Tweets?
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I gave you a challenge if you can't be bothered just walk away. I'll understand

But farkin lol putting a shit stain like Kirk next to those greats of history
 

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Achy Blakey Heart said:
How many drone strikes did he approve again?
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A hell if a lot less than trump.

He also inherited a bunch of wars bush started

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President Donald Trump has revoked a policy set by his predecessor requiring US intelligence officials to publish the number of civilians killed in drone strikes outside of war zones.
The 2016 executive order was brought in by then-President Barack Obama, who was under pressure to be more transparent.
Since the 9/11 terror attack, drone strikes have been increasingly used against terror and military targets.
The Trump administration said the rule was "superfluous" and distracting.
The order applied to the CIA, which has carried out drone strikes in countries such as Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Somalia.
"This action eliminates superfluous reporting requirements, requirements that do not improve government transparency, but rather distract our intelligence professionals from their primary mission," an official said.


What was the rule?​



It required the head of the CIA to release annual summaries of US drone strikes and assess how many died as a result.
Mr Trump's executive order does not overturn reporting requirements on civilian deaths set for the military by Congress.
There have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 in Mr Obama's eight years in office, according to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, a UK-based think tank.
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An uptick in deaths​



Tara McKelvey, BBC News, White House Reporter
Human-rights activists complained about the drone programme under the Obama administration, saying the operations were overly secretive and hid the fact that civilians were sometimes killed in the strikes.
President Obama responded by saying that strikes were carried out in a precise manner - and that intelligence officials would release data on civilians who were accidentally killed in the strikes that occurred outside of war zones. President Trump has built on the existing programme and made it even more ambitious.
During Mr Obama's eight years in office, 1,878 drone strikes were carried out, according to researchers. Since Mr Trump was elected in 2016, there have been 2,243 drone strikes. The Republican president has also made some of the operations, the ones outside of war zones, more secretive. As a result, things have different today: under Mr Trump, there are more drone strikes - and less transparency.>>>>

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207.amp
 

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