USA MAGA activist Charlie Kirk shot dead during Utah rally

[Gethelred]

Okay. We've probably had enough of a free for all.

There are still forum and site posting guidelines, and you will abide by them.

A few seem to be of the opinion that now is a good time to have a crack at moderators or moderation. I'd rather like to discourage that impulse so I'm going to make it explicit: a moderator on this forum is a poster like any other, and can share their views and have free use of the forum like any other. If you feel a post breaches the rules report it; attacking a mod for their posting or objecting to a post purely because a moderator said it is grounds for an infraction and some time off.

From here, if you cannot speak civilly, you will not be allowed to participate.

Thanks all.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

 

[PJays]

But you've lumped all the genuine injustices in with the ones you perceive to be meaningless. In this way, conservatives attack all of them. They use the extreme ones as examples, but for many, that's just cover to continue with all historic injustices and fight against any justice movements (i.e. womens rights, gay rights, Palestinian freedom). This is the crux of the Conservative movement. Trying to tie extremes to the broader justice movement. It's what Conservatives have always done. It's not clever, it's just that there's more information available to go find an extreme.

It's why conservatives hate facts so much. The fact that there are a handful of trans athletes, but bigotry against trans people in extreme cases is used as cover to excuse thousands of bigots wanting to ban things they don't like.

Calling trans people an abomination while thousands of youth pastors abuse kids is the real abomination, but wouldn't they get their knickers in a twist if you banned religion from schools.

I see you're now using this conversation as an opportunity to jump on your soapbox, rather than grapple with the substance of my concerns around the reaction to Charlie Kirk’s death.

And I suspect that was your goal the entire time.

That's fine- you're welcome to do that. Just don't pretend it was a serious response to my original post.

 

[Markfs]

No, he went after John Barilaro when he was in Parliament in NSW, who had connections to Clubs NSW and criminal organisations, exposing their corruption, not long after someone firebombed his house, all happened about 5 years ago, luckily he wasn't home when it happened.
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I'm not into these sort of people so i did some research. Apparently the ABC thinks he's a comedian. And he apologised and censored his stuff after he was sued. Far too messy and too irrelevant to me, to encourage me to want to know more. Maybe he can make some money tagging on to the post-Kirk era...

i like that leftie jewish comedian who appears on rogan....but I would never believe or disbelieve a word he says.

 

[PrancingPony]

I'm not into these sort of people so i did some research. Apparently the ABC thinks he's a comedian. And he apologised and censored his stuff after he was sued. Far too messy and too irrelevant to me, to encourage me to want to know more. Maybe he can make some money tagging on to the post-Kirk era...

i like that leftie jewish comedian who appears on rogan....but I would never believe or disbelieve a word he says.

He's pretty much the only notable name that constantly backs Labor while every mainstream media outlet doesn't give them the same slack that they do the Liberal Party.

He's a self-confessed Labor shill, but that's why he does it, because he believes there's no other outlet that gives Labor the same benefit of the doubt the Liberals get.

Big Rudd guy too (Rudd has appeared on his channel a couple of times too)

He's a comedian too (a funny one as well in my opinion), but he's genuinely done more hard hitting investigative journalism than any mainstream media outlet has done in this country.

 

[NSWCROW]

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Wonder how that'll go down with management

 

[Saint]

He's pretty much the only notable name that constantly backs Labor while every mainstream media outlet doesn't give them the same slack that they do the Liberal Party.

He's a self-confessed Labor shill, but that's why he does it, because he believes there's no other outlet that gives Labor the same benefit of the doubt the Liberals get.

Big Rudd guy too (Rudd has appeared on his channel a couple of times too)

He's a comedian too (a funny one as well in my opinion), but he's genuinely done more hard hitting investigative journalism than any mainstream media outlet has done in this country.

Yes, these days the mainstream media just report what the rich and powerful say, and leave the difficult stuff to the satirical commentators and comedians. The Shovel is more informative than The Age.

 

[The Punter]

He's a comedian too (a funny one as well in my opinion), but he's genuinely done more hard hitting investigative journalism than any mainstream media outlet has done in this country.

I reckon Nick McKenzie would have him covered.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

Sick world we’re in when someone gets shot dead just because they have different opinions and beliefs. Don’t agree with certain things Kirk said but I liked that he went around to campuses all over the states to have a conversation.

His death will prove to be a turning point, unsure of what’s ahead but he had a mass following that will retaliate to the left.

 

[Royces Hart]

His death will prove to be a turning point, unsure of what’s ahead but he had a mass following that will retaliate to the left.

Why, what did the left do?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

His death will prove to be a turning point, unsure of what’s ahead but he had a mass following that will retaliate to the left.

Yeah, just like Jesus (famous lefty, you might have heard of him) would have wanted.

 

[Cooldude]

"Just having a conversation" and the conversation is normalizing violence against minorities and people you don't like

The conversation andies when they try to downplay hate speech as just "opinions"

The irony is he died to someone radicalized by his violent and hateful rhetoric but even more extreme than him, but they just imagined it's the "left" that did it

 

[liz]

Sick world we’re in when someone gets shot dead just because they have different opinions and beliefs. Don’t agree with certain things Kirk said but I liked that he went around to campuses all over the states to have a conversation.

His death will prove to be a turning point, unsure of what’s ahead but he had a mass following that will retaliate to the left.

What’s different to the assassinations of MLK, Malcolm X, Kennedy X 2, Hartman, or the attempted violence towards Reagan, Shapiro, Pelosi and others?

 

[Royces Hart]

What’s different to the assassinations of MLK, Malcolm X, Kennedy X 2, Hartman, or the attempted violence towards Reagan, Shapiro, Pelosi and others?

The difference is that at those times, you had leaders calling for calm and unity, not going after the scum on the other side.

 

[danielnajdek]

It's pretty amazing how Trump hasn't said anything about everyone calming it down a little bit (99% his side).


Oh never mind he would be loving this......

 

[T2B_]

Eventually the violent right wing in America will round up leftists and minorities and start massacring them. This is the natural end point of their hateful rhetoric, normalizing violence and abundance of guns. Jan 6 is just a prelude and they got away with it

The constant attack and corrosion of moral standards using "woke" is part of that process, eventually they want to normalize it and make it acceptable. This Kirk thing was gonna be one of their excuses to do it until they found out it's one of their own that did the hit

Well just look at this blog post by Gab's CEO in response to the killing.

The Hour of Sanctification - Gab News

The news of Charlie Kirk’s assassination has left a heavy weight on many of our hearts. It’s a sobering time that forces us to confront a difficult truth: the

news.gab.com

The evil we face is systemic and rooted in powerful spiritual strongholds. Trimming the branches through politics or protest is insufficient. We must aim for the root. The most effective way to attack the root of national evil is to purge its counterpart in our personal lives. Our personal holiness is a weapon. Our disciplined families are fortresses. Our righteous communities are beachheads of the Kingdom of God.

The call is to action. Total, uncompromising, and sustained action. Crush the laziness. Crush the deceit. Crush the immorality. Crush the cowardice. Do it today. Do it tomorrow. Do it without mercy toward your own sin, and with relentless determination.

Only then will we be the disciplined army needed for this hour. Only then will we be able to crush the evil that seeks to destroy our faith, our families, and our nation.

Armor up. Get to work.

Tell me that whole thing isn't an incitement to violence. Absolute crazy cult stuff.

 

[Shifty1]

What’s different to the assassinations of MLK, Malcolm X, Kennedy X 2, Hartman, or the attempted violence towards Reagan, Shapiro, Pelosi and others?

Exactly. People have been getting killed for their opinions and beliefs for millennia. And people have celebrated those killings for millennia. We haven't evolved at all.

 

[liz]

Well just look at this blog post by Gab's CEO in response to the killing.

The Hour of Sanctification - Gab News

The news of Charlie Kirk’s assassination has left a heavy weight on many of our hearts. It’s a sobering time that forces us to confront a difficult truth: the

news.gab.com

Tell me that whole thing isn't an incitement to violence. Absolute crazy cult stuff.

I have no idea who or what GAB is. But surely no-one can read that without seeing the massive contradictions and/or irony?

 

[Gralin]

I have no idea who or what GAB is. But surely no-one can read that without seeing the massive contradictions and/or irony?

It's an alt right social media platform full of exactly the kind of people you think that would mean

 

[Markfs]

I've always had a problem calling people like kirk conservative. I suppose you could argue that they want to return to the 1950s

I have no idea who or what GAB is. But surely no-one can read that without seeing the massive contradictions and/or irony?

be careful, it's christianspeak.....run a virus checker

 

[Chief]

Using stereotypical examples to make a point does not mean I’m guilty of identity politics like many of Charlie Kirk’s opponents whose minds have been sufficiently polluted...

TL;DR

 

[PJays]

Tell me that whole thing isn't an incitement to violence.

Obviously you're not being serious.....

Surely you are trolling, yes?

 

[Romeoh1]

I have no idea who or what GAB is. But surely no-one can read that without seeing the massive contradictions and/or irony?

Nut job stuff. Part of the problem, not part of the solution.

 

[100action]

Your summary of Australian politics and economics is completely and absurdly wrong. Is your post AI generated? Its stupidly wrong enough to be AI slop.

Our pattern of suburban development was developed in the 19th century under colonial rule, with local variations, but generally with a common trend of regulation, provision of services by local government (eg public transport, parks, sewage etc) very much under the 19th century English pattern.

Our three tiered form of government is a relic of the British (essentially English) shire/borough system of local governance, set under colonial and later state rule, with federal rule instituted by an act of the British Parliament. The evolution of our system of government could not be further from the US model: our constituent states were founded as crown colonies, not as proprietary colonies on the North American model, and none revolted. Governors and Governors General in our system remain symbolic figures representative of the crown in the "constitutional monarch" style, accepting the advice of the elected cabinet drawn from within the legislative houses in sharp contrast to the US model where the executive and legislative branches are clearly distinguished.

Our political system is described as the Westminster System, after the palace of that name where the UK parliament meets. Our constitution is not a French style "first principles" document, and represents an attempt to write down the famously unwritten English Constitution. The US constitution is a very different creature indeed.

Australian economies developed within the British Imperial and Commonwealth system, but since the 1970s we have transitioned to an Asian focus: the US remains a lesser trading partner and in fact we compete for markets far more than we trade with one another.

Our economic theories are entirely consonant with UK trends (such as privatisation, deregulation, monetary policy and user pays) appearing on our political agenda in harmony with UK developments. This contrasts with the US system of increasing subsidisation and protection over recent decades.

The major link between Australia and the US is a military alliance, which in recent years has involved larger and larger commitments of capital to US suppliers.

The goings on in the US are crammed down our throats by algorithms and "newsfotainment" partly in the hands of known bad actors, in particular two south Africans with a taste for authoritarian rule and disharmony in public affairs, and an Australian with a legendary talent for misinformation.

The murder of a troll in the US may be a matter of interest in the US, but it is none of ours.

Our politics stands well to the left of US politics as they see it, and has very little relation to how we order our lives. Its not their business what we do, and its not ours what they do, beyond fulfilling the duties of an ally.

Alleges others for posting AI slop, proceeds to post exactly that... AI slop

2nd paragraph - laughable. Hey all, this must be an australian concept of development!



3rd, 4th para - The federated three levels of government (a federal constitutional structure) is far more similar to the US style of government than the UK. Andrew Inglis Clark was quoted himself saying the constitution (containing the structure of government) was “largely based on the United States Constitution”

5th para - Australia uses Keynesian economics (standardized by the US) to manage its economy - the adjustment of interest rates, the tax rate and government spending and the associated whipsaw boom/bust economy cycles is fundamentally American.

Alot of what you posted is largely irrelevant to my original points. I mean your post is also so bad faith that you deliberately avoided the use of the term "Washminster" instead for "Westminster" to describe the Australian structure of government despite Australia being the home turf of the term you use to try force your point.

Australia is fundamentally similar to the US in governance, economics and style of development. It's very interesting the bigfooty left would contest this lmfao - in any case I don't believe this deserves any additional energy but please post some more 'info' for the readers.

 

[PJays]

I've always had a problem calling people like kirk conservative.

How is he anything but conservative?

He stands for the traditions and social institutions that have survived the test of time, and small government.

Marriage, family, traditional gender roles, smaller government, nations and borders, church and God, the value of individuals.

Throw in guns and an especially high commitment to personal religious faith- both common in the US.

 

[T2B_]

Obviously you're not being serious.....

Surely you are trolling, yes?

I am serious. Read the whole article.