Cripps or Oliver.

[Pistol Night]

No crap lmao... Doesn't mean a player has wasted his career because his team was too shite to win one.

Winning flags is as much about luck as it is individual dedication. Been plenty of absolute duds over the years win them by playing a minor role in a team of stars.

If you could choose between the two careers would you pick Patrick Cripps or Jason Castagna

Cripps clearly for something to tell the grandkids but Castagna for the endless premiership reunions he’ll celebrate for the rest of his life

 

[danster168]

Will Oliver still be in the best 22 when he's 30?

did you see us today?

Cripps is having a worse season.

 

[danster168]

He is but he looks completely disinterested.
Oliver is trying but he's lost acceleration and the kicking penetration has regressed.

You couple that with the fact he's two years younger than Cripps, it's concerning where he may be in a couple of years time.

yeh thats all valid. he's still not fit enough and carrying too much weight. I think melbourne will try to ship him off but it's hard with that contract.

 

[We may never win again]

Didn’t Oliver kick it out on the full from 30 out pretty much straight in front when the dees only needed a score to as good as seal it?

 

[p4p1]

Didn’t Oliver kick it out on the full from 30 out pretty much straight in front when the dees only needed a score to as good as seal it?

Yes. Yes he did.

 

[Pistol Night]

Didn’t Oliver kick it out on the full from 30 out pretty much straight in front when the dees only needed a score to as good as seal it?

Actually impressive to miss everything from there. He’s a rare talent

 

[p4p1]

Actually impressive to miss everything from there. He’s a rare talent

His kicking has always been subpar. To be fair to him though, many of the top talent in that role have really hit and miss foot skills.

 

[Pistol Night]

His kicking has always been subpar. To be fair to him though, many of the top talent in that role have really hit and miss foot skills.

Clarry sometimes nearly misses his foot though

 

[danster168]

Clarry sometimes nearly misses his foot though

lol. stop pretending he wasn't a jet. his accolades speak for themselves.

 

[RAPPA]

A tired bull vs a fat slug

 

[danster168]

When Cripps wants to turn up and play, he's a stand-out.

Clarry is trying but he's just no longer any good.

Cripps has been trash all year. And he doesn't even have off-field issues to blame it on.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Cripps has been trash all year. And he doesn't even have off-field issues to blame it on.

Looking at Coaches Votes - which is your preferred form of player rating.

Cripps has 25 coaches votes this season across 8 polling games
Clayton has 3 coaches votes this season across 2 polling games

Meaning Cripps has been in the best 5-7 players on the park in 40% of the games he's played this year. Compared to Clayton being it in less than 10%, and both times barely scraping a vote 2 last week and 1 in Round 3.

Hardly in the same ball park, Cripps still performing at a high level. Oliver has crashed out.

 

[danster168]

Looking at Coaches Votes - which is your preferred form of player rating.

Cripps has 25 coaches votes this season across 8 polling games
Clayton has 3 coaches votes this season across 2 polling games

Meaning Cripps has been in the best 5-7 players on the park in 40% of the games he's played this year. Compared to Clayton being it in less than 10%, and both times barely scraping a vote 2 last week and 1 in Round 3.

Hardly in the same ball park, Cripps still performing at a high level. Oliver has crashed out.

Who has the most at Carlton?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Who has the most at Carlton?

Not Clayton Oliver.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Who has the most at Carlton?

Hewett or Cerra from memory.

 

[danster168]

Not Clayton Oliver.

Oliver isn't the captain. Your leader is playing trash football. And now Cripps is miles away of ever getting close to Oliver's heights. Cripps is trying his very best and playing like the plodder he's always been. Oliver isn't even a professional. lol

 

[danster168]

Hewett or Cerra from memory.

yeah and Walsh isn't there. Dees have Gawn on 73 votes. Is Cerra or Hewett even on 50?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Dees are desperate to push Oliver out of the club. Hmm

 

[Masqualero]

Id probably go with the 2 time brownlow medallist not being shopped around by his team

But that's just me

 

[Masqualero]

Cripps vs Rayner would be closer

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Cripps vs Rayner would be closer

 

[Xtreme]

Oliver by the length of 19 Flemington straights. I'm sorry but Cripps and his lack of defensive awareness is unforgivable- how he let Nick Watson just waltz away and slot that goal is both diabolical and a crime against contested footy.

 

[Pistol Night]

So you think Rayner too?

 

[Toump Ass]

Both shit.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Both shit.