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Yes - I have no idea why Ott was delisted over Caris. Yes a 5 year age gap (Caris 26, Ott 31) but that's not much and while Fiedler is likely expected to be the #1 ruck when she's back from her ACL, the fact we hardly played Caris this year meant I thought she was likely going to leave.
Also Simpson I thought showed enough to retain?
Plane and Stuart I am not too surprised by tbh.
Also Simpson I thought showed enough to retain?
Plane and Stuart I am not too surprised by tbh.
I really hope the club isn't banking on this. It's not like Fiedler dominated her 6 games and she's coming back from an ACL. I would hope the club has a better plan-B than Rene Caris.
We could have kept Simpson, but there is a lot of competition for midfield spots and Simpson lacks the versatility that some of our others have.
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Yes agreed, but it was the only way I could make sense of them delisting Ott...leaving us with Caris and Fiedler. Are they going to find another ruck now? I mean they probably should but they'll probably do something like throw Besanko in there as first ruck...
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Achilles are notoriously tough injuries to return from, + Ott being 31 - harsh, but sensible call? We have form in making tough calls on rucks - remember our inaugural captain Rhiannon Watt
Perhaps we have a ruck lined up also?
Riley Bev mentioned a few weeks ago that we were amongst several teams expressing interest in trading for GCs #1 pick who are selling it to the highest bidder for academy selections. Don't mind this as we really need an injetion of new elite youth to give us a boost - Whiley/Anderson/Friend has been fairly underwhelming.
Perhaps we have a ruck lined up also?
Riley Bev mentioned a few weeks ago that we were amongst several teams expressing interest in trading for GCs #1 pick who are selling it to the highest bidder for academy selections. Don't mind this as we really need an injetion of new elite youth to give us a boost - Whiley/Anderson/Friend has been fairly underwhelming.
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Whiley being gone already is a massive disappointment. I think the other two are tracking pretty well, though. Anderson, Baskaran and Clarke are all December birthdays, so don't turn 21 until next month.
Friend turns 22 at the end of next month. She just had her best season with the club. I definitely think she's got more improvement in her. Maybe not impressive given she was a pick 4 (especially given we missed out on Prespakis/Rowbottom), but I think Friend is clearly best-21 now, which I'm not sure she was this time last year.
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I hope we have someone tall line-up to bring in.
It's not ideal of Caris needs to ruck or relying on someone returning from an ACL.
It's not ideal of Caris needs to ruck or relying on someone returning from an ACL.
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Yeah I'm a big fan of Anderson, moving her into the midfield more with a run forward at times is her best role I feel. Brings good tackle pressure and I think she has improved plenty this year.
Friend I'm still not fully sold on - she has definitely had her best games this year but overall I'm still not sure on her engine even as a key defender. Although looking at her draft class, apart from Rowbottom, Prespakis and Charlie Thomas who went top 3 (this was a state based draft keep in mind), the top Vic picks haven't really kicked on too much (#4 Reid @ Richmond, #7 Friswell @ Cats, #9 Featherston @ Cats, #10 Annie Lee @ Blues). Best seems to be Sherar at Carlton (pick 11), Tess Craven in hindsight a steal at #13.
Whiley is a loss just from the perspective that we used pick #10 on her, there was plenty of talent picked after her like Wotherspoon, Kavanagh, Piper Window (not sure if she was already tied to Port somehow though) etc., who I'd have loved at the Saints.
Friend I'm still not fully sold on - she has definitely had her best games this year but overall I'm still not sure on her engine even as a key defender. Although looking at her draft class, apart from Rowbottom, Prespakis and Charlie Thomas who went top 3 (this was a state based draft keep in mind), the top Vic picks haven't really kicked on too much (#4 Reid @ Richmond, #7 Friswell @ Cats, #9 Featherston @ Cats, #10 Annie Lee @ Blues). Best seems to be Sherar at Carlton (pick 11), Tess Craven in hindsight a steal at #13.
Whiley is a loss just from the perspective that we used pick #10 on her, there was plenty of talent picked after her like Wotherspoon, Kavanagh, Piper Window (not sure if she was already tied to Port somehow though) etc., who I'd have loved at the Saints.
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Interesting read on the state of the list here - https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/a...s/news-story/9bcbf95a74904858d76dbbd994bfb74d
It was really tough to get a read on that first round. Two of the Victorian AFLW Academy players didn't get drafted at all (Appleby, Dojiok). Two more (Gillard, Slender) slid out of the first round. Given that Slender didn't even make it through her first contract at North, there was clearly something going on there (maybe similar to Whiley here). There's probably a few teams regretting passing on Gillard.
As a result, there were a lot of bolters in the first. Friswell, Featherson, Sherar, Richards and Johnson were all surprises, to a degree. Sarah Black's phantom draft didn't go well (I believe she stopped doing them after that one), but she did get the Richards pick right. I thought we'd given up too much to get up to that spot, giving up both second rounders to move up four Vic spots from the first one, but it's hard to complain now.
Friend went a little higher than expected, but she was always supposed to be top-10. She might be a little behind where we'd like her to be, but she was a part of a defence that held up really well for most of the season while being somewhat under the pump (we averaged -10 in the i50s, which is very odd for a finals team). I'd really like to see her get more intercepts, but that may be difficult with Watson there (Forbes is also pretty good in that area).
2023 was still state based, but they introduced a national option for players. Window opted to stay in SA, which allowed Port to get her at 19. Consensus seemed to be, if it had been an uncompromised national draft, the SA girls (Young, Goody and Window) would have likely been the top-3. Lucky Port.
The one that will always annoy me with the Whiley pick is Mikayla Williamson. I liked her better than KLWT going into that draft and she was still sitting there when we picked. Our ins last year take a lot of the edge off that miss, though. Gee, in particular, was a pleasant surprise at the end of the year. Really hoping for another strong off-season to solidify us as a finals team.
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just seeing the hand outs the giants have just received, did we ever get anything from the afl when we entered the comp? Like I swear we were just left to our own devices to figure it out whilst other clubs were given picks or access to talent. Really hope we try target the draft in the coming years. The crops of girls coming through should be better than the current crop because they’ve been in a complete junior to senior pathway. We need some more elite players and best way to do that for us is in the draft
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That’s right we got no assistance when we came into the comp and Hawthorn who came in the next year, got all sorts of help. Collingwood we’re given access to good players at the outset but couldn’t manage their program properly and like their basketball they struggled.
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We got a couple of extra picks in 2021 or 2023 cant remember which. No nothing like the Hawks etc got but we are our own worst enemy when it comes to drafting. The only deal weve got 1000% right in our history is the year we traded in Wardlaw, Watson and Lambert. Without them we'd be still propping up the ladder make no mistake
We got stuff. The problem is it was worse than what other teams got.
2019: Priority access to players within our zone. Thing is, we had to sign them before they had played in their last championships. The last round of expansion teams were allowed to wait until after the champs and were even allowed to defer their signings for a year which all of them did, because their zones had much better players the following year, compromising the 2023 draft.
We got picks 5, 9 and 15 in the draft. Our first pick was put after Collingwood's first, which is notable since we were put after the expansion teams in 2022. 15 was traded for McCarthy, 9 in a pick swap to the Dogs. Richmond, who had signed both Brennan and Conti, were given picks 1 (which they traded for Conti), 7 and 16.
2020: Richmond, who got the consensus best player in the draft with McKenzie at pick one, were given pick 15 to trade for Sarah Hosking. We had won 2 games in our first year, so we were given nothing.
2021: Geelong were given two extra first round picks. This, despite them landing Prespakis and us missing out on Rowbottom (which I'm sure was just bad luck with no league interference at all). We were given an additional second round pick (as were Richmond), which we packaged with our own second to get the Richards pick.
2022: This is the one that really bothers me. We were the worst team in Victoria. The only team in the league that finished lower than us was WC. We went 2-8 and had a percentage of 53.8. WC were 1-9 and had a percentage of 42.9. West Coast, who were always going to get Roberts (arguably the best junior ever) because of state-based drafting, got given an additional first round pick so they could take Lauren Wakfer as well. We had six Victorian picks added before our pick in addition to Ham and Hurley being taken out of the pool (choosing to nominate NSW to play for Sydney).
We were given a 'first round pick' as assistance, but it was pick 28. We traded it for Nic Stevens. That's after our first pick got knocked from pick 2 to pick 16.
So, TL;DR:
2019: Pre-signings (McDonald, Shannon); picks 5, 9, 15, 27, 33, 41, 54, 63, 72 etc
2020:
2021: Pick 22
2022: Pick 28
That's it.
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Wow just incredibly shafted. Just would love to get access to a star kid. But seems like it’s never gonna be handed to us
In fairness, Patrikios and Smith were very much star kids. Both had better stats than the 1st overall pick in their respective drafts. There was also a massive drop-off in both drafts after our first picks. We would have been somewhat fortunate to get the two of them followed by Rowbottom and [take your pick of any top 2022 prospect]. It's still devastating and infuriating to miss out on that much talent, especially with the league giving handouts to teams that weren't missing out.
We've now been pushed out to pick 13 this year. We're not going to land one of the top prospects with that pick. Not with Sunny Lappin having turned us down, anyway. At least Gold Coast will get their 5 first rounders in this supposedly national draft.
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We did well to make finals given how much has been against our ability to make a decent list.
I definitely feel like we're headed in the right direction, even if the end to the season was disappointing.
Another successful trade period would be huge. The last few have really transformed this team. The kids continuing to develop is the most important thing, though. It's hard to see us getting to where we want to be without the early picks (Baskaran, Clarke, Friend, Gee, Richards, etc) really taking over critical roles.
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I think the Saints were quite canny gaining the players that we did last year.
Most were high draft picks in their respective years, we traded in Amber Clarke (from Essendon), Charlotte Baskaran (from Hawthorn) and Nicola Barr (from GWS) before the draft. We used picks #32, #57 and #62 in the 2024 AFL Womens' National Draft gaining two 18 yo's and one more experienced player:
Pick #32 Zoe Besanko (Dandenong Stingrays / Vic Country) 18y 177cm
Pick #57 Kyla Forbes (Calder Cannons / Vic Metro) 18y 168cm
Pick #62 Alana Gee (Gold Coast Suns / North Mackay / Southport) 20y 170cm
Later we picked up Arianna Clarke and Lilu Hung due to long term player injuries
Here I have listed the player performances of our new players in 2025 in AFLW fantasy points
(note that high numbers usually indicate a good performance but low numbers may reflect the role the player was performing)
Most were high draft picks in their respective years, we traded in Amber Clarke (from Essendon), Charlotte Baskaran (from Hawthorn) and Nicola Barr (from GWS) before the draft. We used picks #32, #57 and #62 in the 2024 AFL Womens' National Draft gaining two 18 yo's and one more experienced player:
Pick #32 Zoe Besanko (Dandenong Stingrays / Vic Country) 18y 177cm
Pick #57 Kyla Forbes (Calder Cannons / Vic Metro) 18y 168cm
Pick #62 Alana Gee (Gold Coast Suns / North Mackay / Southport) 20y 170cm
Later we picked up Arianna Clarke and Lilu Hung due to long term player injuries
Here I have listed the player performances of our new players in 2025 in AFLW fantasy points
(note that high numbers usually indicate a good performance but low numbers may reflect the role the player was performing)
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Age DoB Height Name Matches played 2025/career Rd1 Rd2 Rd3 Rd4 Rd5 Rd6 Rd7 Rd8 Rd9 R10 R11 R12 EF1
28y 13/06/1996 168cm Nicola Barr 9/70 -- 43 69 45 53 52 38 30 -- -- 41 -- 45
25y 16/08/1999 ???cm Arianna Clarke 7/19 15 18 -- -- -- -- -- 17 46 28 17 29 --
20y 20/04/2004 170cm Alana Gee 5/12 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 43 58 39 70 71
20y 09/12/2004 165cm Charlotte Baskaran 13/38 79 38 48 40 34 50 55 41 45 67 27 39 16
20y 22/12/2004 170cm Amber Clarke 13/42 61 31 48 21 45 26 22 59 37 48 16 39 21
19y 07/06/2005 176cm Lilu Hung 0/0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
18y 25/05/2006 177cm Zoe Besanko 11/11 39 6 30 6 -- -- 13 21 38 24 17 22 29
18y 07/09/2006 168cm Kyla Forbes 11/11 58 61 32 40 42 23 -- -- 16 19 13 14 40
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The big names who could be on the move in the 2025 AFLW Trade Period
Riley Beveridge takes a look at the players who could shape this year's AFLW Trade Period
www.afl.com.au
Links us with a young Hawks key forward Sophie Butterworth.
Article also re-hashes our interest in trading for pick 1 (amongst many other teams), not sure what we'd have to offer unless someone decent has declared they want to move to Qld.
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If we somehow managed to get up the draft board would love Chloe bown from chargers. Or scarlett Johnson a bit later on would be a good get. Both great kicks of the footy
Is it 24 and 42 or 25 and 43?
EDIT: They've updated it and it is, indeed, 24 and 42.
EDIT: They've updated it and it is, indeed, 24 and 42.
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SO weve gone down the board not up